Scammed by ThenNowAlways

Tokarev · May 27, 2014

Hello everyone, below are the details and everything.

Thread URL: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/662568-need-wanelo-automation-software-expert.html

User: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/690091-thennowalways.html

Long Story Short: He said he wanted some wanelo automation, and I contacted him via PM. We talked on skype and decided I would upload all of his site products for 50$. I uploaded all his products, and I asked for payment, but he started pouring useless arguments related to his stripper girlfriend. I gave him time, but since then he has chosen to ignore me. The amount of money is very small, I just don't like getting scammed so I'm leaving the case to the mods. As per the SL rules I've notified him beforehand that I intent to shitlist him. Thanks.

Logs:

Note: I removed the skype name of ThenNowAlways and replaced it with his username. It looked like it could be his personal name. OS

[5/18/2014 10:42:58 PM] ThenNowAlways: Hey![5/18/2014 10:43:04 PM] Me: hello mate
[5/18/2014 10:43:06 PM] Me: how are you doing?
[5/18/2014 10:43:28 PM] ThenNowAlways: GOod!
[5/18/2014 10:43:33 PM] ThenNowAlways: Thanks for skyping me!
[5/18/2014 10:43:39 PM] Me: no problem
[5/18/2014 10:43:50 PM] Me: you are interested in uploading some products?
[5/18/2014 1035 PM] ThenNowAlways: to wanelo
[5/18/2014 1050 PM] ThenNowAlways: or any other site to bring traffic to my niche
[5/18/2014 1000 PM] Me: how many products?
[5/18/2014 1033 PM] ThenNowAlways: well i have 500 products on my website
[5/18/2014 10:46:45 PM] Me: ok I can do this.
[5/18/2014 10:46:52 PM] ThenNowAlways: how much?
[5/18/2014 10:49:00 PM] Me: 50$
[5/18/2014 10:49:15 PM] ThenNowAlways: do you have any examples?
[5/18/2014 10:50:00 PM] Me: I'm a programmer really, and just dwelved in the automation world. But you can pay me after the job is done..
[5/18/2014 10:50:09 PM] Me: so you're safe..
[5/18/2014 10:50:11 PM] ThenNowAlways: ok
[5/18/2014 10:50:14 PM] ThenNowAlways: makes sense
[5/18/2014 10:50:30 PM] ThenNowAlways:
[5/18/2014 10:50:55 PM] ThenNowAlways: you need my wanelo login?
[5/18/2014 10:51:20 PM] Me: yes
[5/18/2014 10:51:49 PM] ThenNowAlways: do you do wehearit too?
[5/18/2014 10:52:00 PM] Me: I can do any site you want
[5/18/2014 10:52:12 PM] ThenNowAlways: oh sweet!
[5/18/2014 10:52:18 PM] ThenNowAlways: lets start with wanel first
[5/18/2014 10:52:20 PM] ThenNowAlways: *username here
[5/18/2014 10:52:45 PM] ThenNowAlways: *username
[5/18/2014 10:52:51 PM] ThenNowAlways: *password
[5/18/2014 10:52:57 PM] Me: okay cool
[5/18/2014 11:16:42 PM] ThenNowAlways: hows it going?
[5/18/2014 1110 PM] Me: working on the script
[5/18/2014 1124 PM] Me: it's a bit difficult because wanelo gives different kind of responses based on the product
[5/18/2014 1128 PM] Me: but it can be done
[5/18/2014 1144 PM] ThenNowAlways: did you do it before for someone else?
[5/18/2014 1157 PM] Me: I've done similar jobs
[5/18/2014 1107 PM] Me: but not for wanelo exactly
[5/18/2014 1136 PM] ThenNowAlways: oh okay
[5/19/2014 331 AM] ThenNowAlways: hey
[5/19/2014 8:16:15 AM] Me: Yo
[5/19/2014 8:16:52 AM] ThenNowAlways: Hey
[5/19/2014 933 AM] ThenNowAlways: what up?
[5/19/2014 446 PM] Me: I just finished the bot
[5/19/2014 8:25:59 PM] ThenNowAlways: Nice
[5/19/2014 8:47:49 PM] ThenNowAlways: i got 4 other sites that need uploading once you do this one!
[5/19/2014 8:47:54 PM] ThenNowAlways: do you take paypal?
[5/19/2014 923 PM] ThenNowAlways: are you adding the keywords to the listings too?
[5/19/2014 955 PM] Me: that sounds cool
[5/19/2014 900 PM] Me: and yes I can take Paypal
[5/19/2014 912 PM] ThenNowAlways: sweet!
[5/19/2014 921 PM] ThenNowAlways: im gonna list the sites
[5/19/2014 929 PM] ThenNowAlways:
[5/19/2014 936 PM] ThenNowAlways:
[5/19/2014 943 PM] ThenNowAlways:
[5/19/2014 953 PM] ThenNowAlways:
[5/19/2014 9:20:34 PM] ThenNowAlways: Also i need you send mail me a In an out Burger animal style
[5/19/2014 9:20:47 PM] ThenNowAlways: ill add extra money in paypal
[5/19/2014 9:21:04 PM] Me: lol I didn't understand the last part
[5/19/2014 9:21:18 PM] ThenNowAlways: i was just kiddin
[5/19/2014 9:21:39 PM] Me: sorry for not catching that then
[5/19/2014 900 PM] ThenNowAlways: when do you think uploading will be done?
[5/19/2014 915 PM] Me: well today for sure
[5/19/2014 956 PM] ThenNowAlways: rad
[5/20/2014 12:42:36 AM] Me: i've loaded all the products in the software, but it seems wanelo's server are loaded
[5/20/2014 12:42:53 AM] ThenNowAlways: DANG!
[5/20/2014 12:42:55 AM] ThenNowAlways: really
[5/20/2014 12:43:10 AM] Me: it gets stuck while uploading the product
[5/20/2014 12:48:41 AM] ThenNowAlways: damnit
[5/20/2014 12:55:49 AM] Me: Oh Dang! Something's broken.

Thanks for noticing. We are working on it. Please try again in a few minutes.
[5/20/2014 12:55:52 AM] Me: this is the message I get
[5/20/2014 12:56:01 AM] Me: after waiting for like a minute and a half uploadin the product
[5/20/2014 12:59:29 AM] ThenNowAlways: uh oh
[5/20/2014 153 AM] ThenNowAlways: any luck
[5/20/2014 102 AM] Me: let me try
[5/20/2014 128 AM] Me: yep seems ok now
[5/20/2014 1:14:45 AM] Me: ok I started uploading
[5/20/2014 102 AM] ThenNowAlways: hmm
[5/20/2014 137 AM] Me: ?
[5/20/2014 155 AM] ThenNowAlways: lets hope it works
[5/20/2014 1:16:04 AM] Me: it's working
[5/20/2014 1:16:10 AM] ThenNowAlways: nice
[5/20/2014 1:16:19 AM] ThenNowAlways: are there tags included?
[5/20/2014 1:16:21 AM] ThenNowAlways: or no
[5/20/2014 147 AM] Me: nope
[5/20/2014 155 AM] ThenNowAlways: damn
[5/20/2014 100 AM] ThenNowAlways: thats key
[5/20/2014 126 AM] Me: you should have mentioned it to me in the beginning man.. :|
[5/20/2014 142 AM] ThenNowAlways: we will do it next time
[5/20/2014 146 AM] ThenNowAlways: thats okay
[5/20/2014 153 AM] ThenNowAlways: hopfully people will find it
[5/20/2014 105 AM] ThenNowAlways: i just hope it comes through the searchs
[5/20/2014 144 AM] ThenNowAlways: looking good
[5/20/2014 157 AM] ThenNowAlways: next i want to do
[5/20/2014 155 AM] Me: sure
[5/20/2014 1:58:30 AM] Me: mate, don't want to sound unethical, but I've completed half of the products, and would like to proceed with some payment if possible.
[5/20/2014 1:58:48 AM] ThenNowAlways: okay
[5/20/2014 1:58:57 AM] ThenNowAlways: let me login to paypal
[5/20/2014 1:59:05 AM] ThenNowAlways: whats your paypal email
[5/20/2014 1:59:25 AM] Me: *my paypal here
[5/20/2014 255 AM] ThenNowAlways: my girlfriend has the credit card
[5/20/2014 205 AM] ThenNowAlways: my paypal is in the neg. Just give me a few!
[5/20/2014 223 AM] Me: can't you call her?
[5/20/2014 246 AM] ThenNowAlways: she cant pick up her phone
[5/20/2014 251 AM] ThenNowAlways: but i will text her
[5/20/2014 213 AM] Me: kk
[5/20/2014 208 AM] Me: so?
[5/20/2014 254 AM] ThenNowAlways: Nothing
[5/20/2014 2:29:20 AM] ThenNowAlways: My girl just got a job being a stripper sooooo might not hear back.
[5/20/2014 2:29:35 AM] ThenNowAlways: You can delete them all if you don't trust me
[5/20/2014 2:29:44 AM] ThenNowAlways: Lol
[5/20/2014 2:29:52 AM] Me: man, are you scamming me?
[5/20/2014 258 AM] Me: ?
[5/20/2014 2:37:50 AM] Me: yo, just tell me.. don't wanna shitlist you for nothing..
[5/20/2014 2:38:10 AM] ThenNowAlways: Naw dude
[5/20/2014 2:38:22 AM] Me: will you pay me or not?
[5/20/2014 2:38:30 AM] ThenNowAlways: Yeah
[5/20/2014 2:38:37 AM] ThenNowAlways: It will be in your account
[5/20/2014 2:38:43 AM] ThenNowAlways: Just hold up
[5/20/2014 2:38:52 AM] Me: when? I'm finishing the products...
[5/20/2014 2:38:58 AM] ThenNowAlways: I got negitave balance in paypal
[5/20/2014 2:38:59 AM] ThenNowAlways: Tonighy
[5/20/2014 2:39:23 AM] ThenNowAlways: I need you to do 4 other sites
[5/20/2014 2:39:27 AM] ThenNowAlways: Trust me I'm legit
[5/20/2014 2:43:23 AM] Me: seems a bit odd that you need the cc though. Usually the CC is linked to PP so no need for it.
[5/20/2014 242 AM] Me: anyway, tell me when you make the payment.
[5/20/2014 2:56:43 AM] ThenNowAlways: yeah i know we got a new card
[5/20/2014 1115 AM] Me: did you send the money?
[5/20/2014 613 PM] Me: ??
[5/20/2014 7:59:21 PM] Me: I'm getting tired man..
[5/20/2014 902 PM] Me: that's it, you're online but you don't bother to give an answer.
[5/20/2014 916 PM] Me: I will give you one more hour, and then I'm sorry but I'll have to shitlist you.

OldSalt · May 27, 2014

I have edited the post above and have notified ThenNowAlways he has 48 hours to respond.

OS

ThenNowAlways · May 28, 2014

This guy has not shown all of our convo. I would like to add the fact that he didn't provide keywords for my listings...which makes it useless for me. Let me give you an example. Say your at a clothing store and you ask the shop to make you a custom Tshirt with a picture of a cat. So a couple days later you go to the shop to pick up your cat shirt and when they show you a Tshirt with a dog on it instead of a cat like you asked. Would pay for it? No because it's not what you wanted. And further more I think doing an online job first before you get money is stupid. Because it could have been the other way around. Saying I lost $50. If your gonna suspend my account BHW mods then go ahead. I know I didn't scam this guy.

OldSalt · May 28, 2014

ThenNowAlways,

This guy has not shown all of our convo

If he hasn't shown the entire conversation, then post the remaining parts. If any of the skype conversations are disputed, we'll move from copy/paste to screenshots.

I would like to add the fact that he didn't provide keywords for my listings

Unless the skype log above is fraudulent, you didn't ask about tags until after the postings were started and even then you said it was ok and you'd do them next time.

Say your at a clothing store and you ask the shop to make you a custom Tshirt with a picture of a cat. So a couple days later you go to the shop to pick up your cat shirt and when they show you a Tshirt with a dog on it instead of a cat like you asked. Would pay for it? No because it's not what you wanted.

In your example, the person was specific in what they wanted. If the logs above are accurate, you didn't ask about tags until the posting was already underway.

And further more I think doing an online job first before you get money is stupid. Because it could have been the other way around. Saying I lost $50.

Not sure what your point is here... that he was stupid to trust you?

If your gonna suspend my account BHW mods then go ahead. I know I didn't scam this guy.

We will see - depends on how this thread goes. So far it still looks like you owe him what you agreed to. But post the remaining logs that you said he didn't post.

OS

OldSalt · May 30, 2014

ThenNowAlways, you have 24 hours to either post the additional info you want me to see or make arrangements for the payment for the services.

Time is ticking.

OS

OldSalt · Jun 4, 2014

ThenNowAlways has been perma-banned.

OS

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