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scammed by the user oxonbeef .scammed me $600

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by Black Hat Expert, Aug 29, 2014.

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    Hello,I got scammed by the user oxonbeef.He is a junior executive vip and never thought like this.My money ie $750 got stuck in a stealth uk paypal.So all my transactions got stopped.I offered asked 20% ie, $150 to get my money out and later he promised me to send the money in wu.He stopped replying after getting money.I was in a big problem now i have used my clients money to live as i don't have option and i was waiting for this money.now my clients don't trust me and they opened shit list on me.I'm old member here and don't want to get bad name and i want to refund my clients but i don't have money.Now i have to pay $350 for one client and $140 for the other client and not having good orders too.Mods please help me to get out of this situation.I want my account to get banned and i dont want to scam any one.

    here is the user :

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/28253-oxonbeef.html
    here is the proof..

    I removed the skype ids and his face as personal info is not allowed.

    Code:
    [8/15/2014 9:20:39 PM] Black Hat Expert: Hi Oxonbeef, hie do you know how to cash out from uk paypal.[8/15/2014 9:20:46 PM] Black Hat Expert: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/ebay/402388-withdraw-funds-stealth-paypal-uk.html
    [8/15/2014 9:20:56 PM] Black Hat Expert: i have seen your post here
    [8/18/2014 8:24:05 AM] *** Oxonbeef has shared contact details with Black Hat Expert. ***
    [8/18/2014 8:26:33 AM] Oxonbeef: It's possible. How much are you talking?
    [8/18/2014 8:59:11 AM] Black Hat Expert: i have $750 in it
    [8/18/2014 8:59:32 AM] Black Hat Expert: and it is limited paypala nd funds are now eligible for withdrawl
    [8/18/2014 9:00:09 AM] Oxonbeef: So you don't have a bank attched to it?
    [8/18/2014 9:01:15 AM] Black Hat Expert: no im a indian resident and selling virtual iems online
    [8/18/2014 9:01:25 AM] Black Hat Expert: so as it is uk ebay i attached uk paypal to it
    [8/18/2014 9:01:36 AM] Black Hat Expert: they limited few months ago
    [8/18/2014 9:01:48 AM] Black Hat Expert: and now the funds are available for withdrawl
    [8/18/2014 9:01:49 AM] Oxonbeef: What options are they give you to recieve your funds?
    [8/18/2014 9:02:05 AM] Black Hat Expert: i can do bank transfer
    [8/18/2014 9:02:10 AM] Black Hat Expert: i can add uk bankaccount
    [8/18/2014 9:02:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: bank account number and sort code
    [8/18/2014 9:02:32 AM] Black Hat Expert: can i add some others account to cash them out
    [8/18/2014 9:02:34 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/18/2014 9:03:18 AM] Oxonbeef: Does the acount have to be in the name of the paypal account? Will they post a check?
    [8/18/2014 9:03:37 AM] Black Hat Expert: no
    [8/18/2014 9:03:46 AM] Black Hat Expert: they will transfer the funds directly to bank
    [8/18/2014 9:03:58 AM] Black Hat Expert: electronic transfer
    [8/18/2014 9:05:21 AM] Oxonbeef: I have accounts and can open accounts, I'm trying to clarify the best option for you?
    [8/18/2014 9:06:06 AM] Black Hat Expert: yes the only thing i can do is adding uk bank account
    [8/18/2014 9:06:12 AM] Black Hat Expert: account nuber and sort code
    [8/18/2014 9:06:23 AM] Black Hat Expert: i tried of opening account but it is not possible for me
    [8/18/2014 9:06:27 AM] Black Hat Expert: as i'm from india
    [8/18/2014 9:07:02 AM] Oxonbeef: Are you sure the name of the bank doesn't have to be the same as the paypal account?
    [8/18/2014 9:07:12 AM] Black Hat Expert: yes i'm sure
    [8/18/2014 9:07:20 AM] Black Hat Expert: but the bank account should not be added
    [8/18/2014 9:07:29 AM] Black Hat Expert: in other paypal account
    [8/18/2014 9:07:42 AM] Oxonbeef: I have virgin bank accounts.
    [8/18/2014 9:07:46 AM] Black Hat Expert: is there any way that i can create bank accounts
    [8/18/2014 9:08:14 AM] Black Hat Expert: yes
    [8/18/2014 9:08:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: please tell me the solution
    [8/18/2014 9:09:24 AM] Oxonbeef: You could withdraw it to one of my accounts and I forward it to you. But I would want a commission.
    [8/18/2014 9:09:36 AM] Black Hat Expert: sure i will
    [8/18/2014 9:09:43 AM] Black Hat Expert: how much do you want
    [8/18/2014 9:10:00 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/18/2014 9:10:13 AM] Black Hat Expert: i can trust you as you have good bhw account
    [8/18/2014 9:10:32 AM] Oxonbeef: I'm not running away for $750 lol.
    [8/18/2014 9:11:01 AM] Oxonbeef: What is the best method to send from UK to India?
    [8/18/2014 9:11:22 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm sorry for that
    [8/18/2014 9:11:32 AM] Black Hat Expert: but i know you are reputed
    [8/18/2014 9:11:48 AM] Black Hat Expert: and so many people will new accounts tried to take my
    [8/18/2014 9:11:53 AM] Black Hat Expert: account details
    [8/18/2014 9:11:57 AM] Black Hat Expert: i never gave them
    [8/18/2014 9:12:00 AM] Black Hat Expert: western union
    [8/18/2014 9:12:26 AM] Oxonbeef: I can do Western Union.
    [8/18/2014 9:12:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: i can give you comission,how much do you charge
    [8/18/2014 9:13:09 AM] Oxonbeef: It not something I've done as a service before. what would you say is fair?
    [8/18/2014 9:14:11 AM] Black Hat Expert: 15% is that ok with you?
    [8/18/2014 9:14:23 AM] Black Hat Expert: also i will pay fees for western union
    [8/18/2014 9:16:21 AM] Oxonbeef: ! second
    [8/18/2014 9:16:28 AM] Black Hat Expert: sure
    [8/18/2014 9:16:43 AM] Black Hat Expert: please tell me if that is not ok with you
    [8/18/2014 9:17:04 AM] Oxonbeef: I tell you what. 20% = $150
    [8/18/2014 9:17:11 AM] Black Hat Expert: ok
    [8/18/2014 9:17:32 AM] Black Hat Expert: can i have the bank account number
    [8/18/2014 9:17:37 AM] Black Hat Expert: and sort code please
    [8/18/2014 9:17:45 AM] Black Hat Expert: i will add and transfer it now
    [8/18/2014 9:18:16 AM] Oxonbeef: 1 minute I have to find the right card.
    [8/18/2014 9:18:36 AM] Black Hat Expert: yea sure
    [8/18/2014 9:24:43 AM] Oxonbeef: Soon be with you
    [8/18/2014 9:24:52 AM] Black Hat Expert: yeah sure
    [8/18/2014 9:26:31 AM] Oxonbeef: Account number *removed*
    [8/18/2014 9:27:07 AM] Oxonbeef: *Removed*.
    [8/18/2014 9:27:11 AM] Black Hat Expert: ok
    [8/18/2014 9:27:22 AM] Black Hat Expert: i will add now and let you know before sending
    [8/18/2014 9:27:30 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok
    [8/18/2014 9:31:58 AM] Black Hat Expert: please confirm the account number once
    [8/18/2014 9:32:00 AM] Black Hat Expert: [Monday, August 18, 2014 9:26 AM] Oxonbeef: 
    
    
    <<< *Removed*
    [8/18/2014 9:32:55 AM] Oxonbeef: That's correct.
    [8/18/2014 9:34:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: Check your bank account now via online, mobile or telephone banking to find the confirmation code we sent to your bank account. Enter your confirmation code into the box below so we can verify you're the account holder.
    [8/18/2014 9:35:27 AM] Oxonbeef: Hold on
    [8/18/2014 9:35:32 AM] Black Hat Expert: sure
    [8/18/2014 9:41:10 AM] Oxonbeef: Bank says it can take up to 24 hours to appear in my account. Do you want to try another account or wait?
    [8/18/2014 9:41:23 AM] Black Hat Expert: no problem
    [8/18/2014 9:41:37 AM] Black Hat Expert: i have a option to with draw
    [8/18/2014 9:41:44 AM] Black Hat Expert: with out confirming i guess
    [8/18/2014 9:41:49 AM] Black Hat Expert: i have seen just now
    [8/18/2014 9:41:56 AM] Oxonbeef: I just called them as it wasn't showing on my screen.
    [8/18/2014 9:42:06 AM] Black Hat Expert: i will do withdrawl and you will get money in 2 hours
    [8/18/2014 9:42:15 AM] Black Hat Expert: is that only can i do withdrawl
    [8/18/2014 9:42:47 AM] Oxonbeef: You can withdraw but I won't find a Western Union open until The Morning.
    [8/18/2014 9:42:57 AM] Black Hat Expert: no problem
    [8/18/2014 9:43:15 AM] Black Hat Expert: just confirm that you received and i will give full details send when it is opened
    [8/18/2014 9:43:26 AM] Black Hat Expert: 445.12 gbp
    [8/18/2014 9:43:32 AM] Black Hat Expert: rathar than withdrawing in usd
    [8/18/2014 9:43:43 AM] Black Hat Expert: i have gbp option
    [8/18/2014 9:43:48 AM] Black Hat Expert: can i do withdrawl
    [8/18/2014 9:43:49 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/18/2014 9:43:51 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok
    [8/18/2014 9:43:53 AM] Oxonbeef: Do it.
    [8/18/2014 9:46:43 AM] Black Hat Expert: Thanks for using PayPal.
    
    
    Your withdrawal request is now being processed. Your funds can take up to 24 hours to appear in your bank account.
    [8/18/2014 9:47:11 AM] Oxonbeef: I'll keep my eye on it and message you as soon as it lands.
    [8/18/2014 9:47:22 AM] Black Hat Expert: sure
    [8/18/2014 12:29:49 PM] Oxonbeef: In case you need it the code is 7317
    [8/18/2014 8:52:18 PM] Black Hat Expert: yeah i confirmed the account.
    [8/18/2014 8:52:44 PM] Black Hat Expert: its still in pending status once when it shows completed you will receive the money
    [8/19/2014 3:14:09 AM] Oxonbeef: They are taking their time.
    [8/19/2014 8:47:45 AM] Oxonbeef: Are you there?
    [8/19/2014 9:10:55 AM] Black Hat Expert: Yes
    [8/19/2014 9:26:15 AM] Oxonbeef: Is that still pending?
    [8/19/2014 9:27:02 AM] Black Hat Expert: yes
    [8/19/2014 9:27:07 AM] Black Hat Expert: I have seen just now only
    [8/19/2014 9:27:45 AM] Oxonbeef: It will be 24 hours in 20 minutes.
    [8/19/2014 9:30:29 AM] Black Hat Expert: o.h ok but it shows still pending
    [8/19/2014 9:32:09 AM] Oxonbeef: Strange.
    [8/19/2014 9:33:48 AM] Black Hat Expert: whe i read in forums it shows it takes only 2 hours
    [8/19/2014 9:34:31 AM] Oxonbeef: I've had 24 hours before, and 3 days but it's usually there before the time.
    [8/19/2014 9:50:01 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok that's 24 hours. If it's still pending I'd say you have other problems with them.
    [8/19/2014 9:50:25 AM] Black Hat Expert: I havent checked it now
    [8/19/2014 9:50:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: let me send you the screen shot
    [8/19/2014 9:53:34 AM] *** Black Hat Expert sent pending.JPG pending.JPG ***
    [8/19/2014 9:54:23 AM] Black Hat Expert: If there are some other problems they will show under review
    [8/19/2014 9:58:03 AM] Oxonbeef: Does it say anything under details?
    [8/19/2014 9:59:59 AM] Oxonbeef: And are you sure the bank account name didn't have to be the same as the paypal account name?
    [8/19/2014 10:00:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: yes i'm sure
    [8/19/2014 10:00:23 AM] Black Hat Expert: i have read in forums
    [8/19/2014 10:00:40 AM] Black Hat Expert: and it is confirmed now
    [8/19/2014 10:00:57 AM] Oxonbeef: You mean it's paid?
    [8/19/2014 10:01:28 AM] Black Hat Expert: Pending
    
    
    Your withdrawal request is awaiting release for final processing
    [8/19/2014 10:01:31 AM] Black Hat Expert: no no
    [8/19/2014 10:01:46 AM] Black Hat Expert: just bank account is confirmed may be it will take more time
    [8/19/2014 10:01:58 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok.
    [8/20/2014 12:27:44 AM] Black Hat Expert: 1.14 GBP got completed and
    [8/20/2014 12:28:02 AM] Black Hat Expert: 445.12 GBP shows still pending
    [8/20/2014 12:28:12 AM] Oxonbeef: That's fucked up
    [8/20/2014 12:28:31 AM] Black Hat Expert: i contacted paypal support and they said i did a with drawl when the bank account is not confirmed
    [8/20/2014 12:29:13 AM] Black Hat Expert: for that it takes up to 72 hours to process the withdrawls
    [8/20/2014 12:29:22 AM] Black Hat Expert: 24 hours is completed
    [8/20/2014 12:29:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: lets wait
    [8/20/2014 12:29:45 AM] Oxonbeef: I was kind of think ing that last night.
    [8/20/2014 12:30:30 AM] Oxonbeef: How long ago was the 1.14 released it's not in my account yet.
    [8/20/2014 12:30:41 AM] Black Hat Expert: I might have did a withdrawl after confirming
    [8/20/2014 12:31:10 AM] Black Hat Expert: I did a withdrawl of 1.14 after confirming the bank account
    [8/20/2014 12:31:40 AM] Oxonbeef: Probably how their computer works.
    [8/20/2014 12:32:06 AM] Black Hat Expert: i think you will get both funds at a time
    [8/20/2014 12:32:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: we need to wait for 1 more day
    [8/20/2014 12:33:07 AM] Oxonbeef: I would thinks so.
    [8/20/2014 12:33:38 AM] Oxonbeef: But it normally tells you when you have to wait 72 hours.
    [8/20/2014 12:34:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: It shows still pending and when i did a withdrawl it shows up to 24 hours
    [8/20/2014 12:36:33 AM] Oxonbeef: We just havve to wait. Paypal would've told you if there was an issue.
    [8/20/2014 1:20:25 AM] Oxonbeef: The 1.14 has reached my account.
    [8/20/2014 1:22:00 AM] Black Hat Expert: Oh thats great.when the big amount status shows completed
    [8/20/2014 1:22:05 AM] Black Hat Expert: i will let you know
    [8/20/2014 1:22:12 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok mate.
    [8/21/2014 2:03:15 AM] Oxonbeef: Still pending?
    [8/21/2014 2:03:40 AM] Black Hat Expert: yes.
    [8/21/2014 2:03:53 AM] Black Hat Expert: as paypal said to me they take 72 hours
    [8/21/2014 2:04:02 AM] Black Hat Expert: and we have to wait few more hours for that
    [8/21/2014 2:04:28 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm checking it very frequently
    [8/21/2014 2:04:28 AM] Oxonbeef: should be later today then.
    [8/21/2014 2:04:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: yea exactly
    [8/21/2014 2:04:49 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok talk to you later.
    [8/21/2014 2:05:03 AM] Black Hat Expert: yea sure
    [8/21/2014 9:19:48 AM] Oxonbeef: Still Pending?
    [8/21/2014 9:48:27 AM] Oxonbeef: 72 hours are up now.
    [8/21/2014 10:12:18 AM] Oxonbeef: You there?
    [8/21/2014 10:12:31 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/21/2014 10:12:35 AM] Black Hat Expert: yeah i just came now
    [8/21/2014 10:12:40 AM] Black Hat Expert: logging in to check
    [8/21/2014 10:12:45 AM] Black Hat Expert: the stats
    [8/21/2014 10:12:53 AM] Black Hat Expert: i will update you in a minute
    [8/21/2014 10:15:45 AM] Black Hat Expert: hey it shows completed
    [8/21/2014 10:16:06 AM] Oxonbeef: It should be in my bank within two hours then
    [8/21/2014 10:16:28 AM] *** Black Hat Expert sent finally comleted.JPG finally comleted.JPG ***
    [8/21/2014 10:16:32 AM] Black Hat Expert: Thank God
    [8/21/2014 10:16:33 AM] Oxonbeef: We've missed the WU for tonight again
    [8/21/2014 10:17:12 AM] Black Hat Expert: yeah you can send me tomorrow morning.Even i'm waiting for this since so many days.
    [8/21/2014 10:17:20 AM] Black Hat Expert: Thank you very much for your help
    [8/21/2014 10:17:31 AM] Black Hat Expert: i will write my wu details here
    [8/21/2014 10:17:38 AM] Oxonbeef: any time mate.
    [8/21/2014 10:17:51 AM] Black Hat Expert: when you get just leave a message here so that i will feel happy
    [8/21/2014 10:18:16 AM] Black Hat Expert: and when you sent amount give the required details.my required etails are below
    [8/21/2014 10:18:28 AM] Black Hat Expert: Required detials for wu:
    [8/21/2014 10:18:37 AM] Black Hat Expert: Name : *Removed*
    [8/21/2014 10:18:44 AM] Black Hat Expert: City :*Removed*
    [8/21/2014 10:18:54 AM] Black Hat Expert: Phone number : *Removed*
    [8/21/2014 10:19:17 AM] Black Hat Expert: Address If required : *Removed*
    [8/21/2014 10:19:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: *Removed*
    [8/21/2014 10:20:43 AM] Oxonbeef: Great. I haven't been having a good day. i was building a site for a client with two windows open and i updated the window that hadn't had any changes made so I have to start all over again.
    [8/21/2014 10:21:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: Oh shit
    [8/21/2014 10:21:23 AM] Black Hat Expert: sorry to hear that
    [8/21/2014 10:21:30 AM] Black Hat Expert: do you build websites
    [8/21/2014 10:21:31 AM | Edited 10:21:40 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/21/2014 10:21:51 AM] Oxonbeef: It happens. yes I build my own and for clients.
    [8/21/2014 10:22:55 AM] Black Hat Expert: I think you are very senior.May i know how much do you charge for a basic website.Im actually looking to get my website designed
    [8/21/2014 10:23:02 AM] Black Hat Expert: website for for services
    [8/21/2014 10:23:59 AM] Oxonbeef: For you. $100
    [8/21/2014 10:24:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: oh thank you very much.
    [8/21/2014 10:24:43 AM] Black Hat Expert: I will soon get my site build
    [8/21/2014 10:24:50 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm setting up some things
    [8/21/2014 10:24:54 AM] Oxonbeef: I charge clients $1000 but they don't know how easy it is now.
    [8/21/2014 10:24:57 AM] Black Hat Expert: i just need basic one thats enough
    [8/21/2014 10:25:19 AM] Oxonbeef: No problem any time you are ready.
    [8/21/2014 10:25:50 AM] Black Hat Expert: Its 6:25 pm in uk right
    [8/21/2014 10:26:00 AM] Black Hat Expert: may be you will get in 1 hour
    [8/21/2014 10:26:29 AM] Oxonbeef: Yeh they are pretty rapid but it I allow up to two.
    [8/21/2014 10:28:13 AM] Black Hat Expert: oh ok..
    [8/21/2014 10:28:53 AM] Black Hat Expert: I know i'm wasting your valuable time.But when you receive and it is morning please dont mind and send the money
    [8/21/2014 10:29:15 AM] Oxonbeef: I'll do it first thing.
    [8/21/2014 10:29:53 AM] Black Hat Expert: Thank you
    [8/21/2014 10:30:08 AM] Oxonbeef: I like good business.
    [8/21/2014 10:30:50 AM] Black Hat Expert: I started providing amazon reviews service
    [8/21/2014 10:31:10 AM] Black Hat Expert: But I'm getting the most clients for uk reviews
    [8/21/2014 10:32:28 AM] Black Hat Expert: I have few uk fba orders.If you have amazon account.I will send you virtual redit card to purchase and also free product to you if you like
    [8/21/2014 10:33:07 AM] Oxonbeef: I have a Uk amoazon account.
    [8/21/2014 10:33:25 AM] Black Hat Expert: o thats great
    [8/21/2014 10:35:03 AM] Oxonbeef: I can place reviews for you if you like.
    [8/21/2014 10:35:36 AM] Black Hat Expert: yea sure.for now i have this order from client and i already completed
    [8/21/2014 10:35:37 AM] Black Hat Expert: *Removed*
    [8/21/2014 10:35:52 AM] Black Hat Expert: he is a good client of mine
    [8/21/2014 10:36:09 AM] Black Hat Expert: If you wish you can buy that product
    [8/21/2014 10:36:16 AM] Black Hat Expert: from my share
    [8/21/2014 10:36:25 AM] Black Hat Expert: and you will also get free product
    [8/21/2014 10:37:57 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok will do.
    [8/21/2014 10:39:47 AM] Black Hat Expert: yeah i have 2 other links also
    [8/21/2014 10:39:54 AM] Black Hat Expert: but its not product
    [8/21/2014 10:40:06 AM] Black Hat Expert: you wont get product its ebook actually
    [8/21/2014 10:40:35 AM] Oxonbeef: As long as it helps you I don't mind.
    [8/21/2014 10:43:04 AM] Black Hat Expert: yeah thank you
    [8/21/2014 10:43:36 AM] Black Hat Expert: *Removed*
    [8/21/2014 10:43:46 AM] Black Hat Expert: this is the other link
    [8/21/2014 10:43:55 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok
    [8/21/2014 10:44:01 AM] Black Hat Expert: and in this you have to use the same link because it is keyword targetted
    [8/21/2014 10:44:28 AM] Black Hat Expert: *Removed*
    [8/21/2014 10:44:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: and this one mate
    [8/21/2014 10:44:39 AM] Black Hat Expert: but that kindle one
    [8/21/2014 10:44:46 AM] Black Hat Expert: buy all these from my share mate
    [8/21/2014 10:45:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: thats not a problem.when you buy send order numbers.you will get the first product to your address
    [8/21/2014 10:45:32 AM] Black Hat Expert: and ebook i think you can download after payment but i'm not sure
    [8/21/2014 10:45:44 AM] Black Hat Expert: Thank you very much.have a good day
    [8/21/2014 10:45:57 AM] Black Hat Expert: send order numbers when you have done
    [8/21/2014 10:46:00 AM] Black Hat Expert: Thats enough
    [8/21/2014 10:47:12 AM] Oxonbeef: Will do
    [8/21/2014 4:56:58 PM] Oxonbeef: Money arived will send it first thing in my morning.
    [8/21/2014 5:36:12 PM] Black Hat Expert: yeah thank you very much
    [8/22/2014 2:03:46 AM] Black Hat Expert: hey when you send please send details here
    [8/22/2014 4:44:01 AM] Black Hat Expert: Hey mate you there?
    [8/22/2014 4:47:22 AM] Oxonbeef: Just caught me going out the door
    [8/22/2014 4:48:01 AM] Black Hat Expert: Oh sorry sorry
    [8/22/2014 4:48:14 AM] Black Hat Expert: Carry on
    [8/22/2014 6:50:26 AM] Black Hat Expert: Hey mate
    [8/22/2014 8:01:16 AM] Black Hat Expert: mate did you send the money
    [8/22/2014 8:01:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/22/2014 8:46:15 AM] Black Hat Expert: hey,Please dont mind that I'm messaging you.But wu will get closed here
    [8/22/2014 9:03:42 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/22/2014 11:08:57 AM] Black Hat Expert: hey mate are you online
    [8/22/2014 11:08:58 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/22/2014 11:41:54 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/22/2014 11:42:07 AM] *** Voice message, duration 00:00 ***
    [8/22/2014 12:09:44 PM] Black Hat Expert: hey mate please let me know when you are back.I will wait for you
    [8/22/2014 12:10:21 PM] Black Hat Expert: actually I'm in bit emergency so waited for that money from morning
    [8/22/2014 4:24:04 PM] Black Hat Expert: hello mate are you there
    [8/22/2014 4:24:12 PM] Black Hat Expert: Please respond to me
    [8/22/2014 8:55:39 PM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/22/2014 9:29:58 PM] Black Hat Expert: hey today i have a commitment and I'm really worried.could you please respond here please
    [8/22/2014 9:46:40 PM] Black Hat Expert: hey mate,when you are online please let me know
    [8/22/2014 9:46:50 PM] Black Hat Expert: Please dont forgot to message
    [8/23/2014 12:04:03 AM] Black Hat Expert: hey mate you there
    [8/23/2014 12:04:05 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/23/2014 12:04:12 AM] Black Hat Expert: please reply please
    [8/23/2014 12:43:53 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/23/2014 1:33:21 AM] Black Hat Expert: hieee
    [8/23/2014 1:33:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: Please respond to me,I'm really worried a lot
    [8/23/2014 1:33:46 AM] Black Hat Expert: Please try to understand me
    [8/23/2014 2:02:57 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/23/2014 3:50:40 AM] Black Hat Expert: mate please respond
    [8/23/2014 3:59:37 AM] Black Hat Expert: mate please respond to me mate
    [8/23/2014 3:59:42 AM] Black Hat Expert: I beg you
    [8/23/2014 3:59:51 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm in very need of the money
    [8/23/2014 4:00:04 AM] Black Hat Expert: Please understand me and respond  mate
    [8/23/2014 10:02:42 AM] Black Hat Expert: hey mate
    [8/23/2014 10:02:48 AM] Black Hat Expert: please reply
    [8/23/2014 11:15:18 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/23/2014 11:15:26 AM] *** Voice message, duration 00:00 ***
    [8/23/2014 1:21:55 PM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/23/2014 1:22:01 PM] Black Hat Expert: please please respond to me
    [8/23/2014 8:01:39 PM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/24/2014 2:41:34 AM] Oxonbeef: Hello. Your money has been sent. I'll get the Control number off of my girlfriend in a few minutes.
    [8/24/2014 6:36:39 AM] Black Hat Expert: Hello,Thank you very much.Sorry for troubling you
    [8/24/2014 6:38:53 AM] Oxonbeef: Someone ran into my car and *unrelated info*. My girlfriend sent it to you but she's at church at the moment. as soon as she answers me I'll send you the control number.
    [8/24/2014 6:40:21 AM] Black Hat Expert: Oh ok,
    [8/24/2014 6:40:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: Please accept my friend request in fb
    [8/24/2014 6:40:45 AM] Oxonbeef: I told Oldsalt it has been sent as well so you can sort your stuff out.
    [8/24/2014 6:41:23 AM] Black Hat Expert: yeah sure
    [8/24/2014 6:41:36 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm waiting for this because i have some payments
    [8/24/2014 6:41:47 AM] Black Hat Expert: they are torturing me
    [8/24/2014 6:41:52 AM] Oxonbeef: I understand.
    [8/24/2014 6:42:02 AM] Black Hat Expert: hey sir,I sent you request in facebook
    [8/24/2014 6:42:20 AM] Oxonbeef: I accepted it this morning.
    [8/24/2014 6:42:32 AM] Black Hat Expert: Oh ok
    [8/24/2014 6:42:45 AM] Black Hat Expert: Thank you,can i get the control number in 2 hours
    [8/24/2014 6:42:47 AM] Black Hat Expert: please
    [8/24/2014 6:43:31 AM] Oxonbeef: Church finished 45 mins ago but they stand around chatting like womwn do.
    [8/24/2014 6:43:38 AM] Black Hat Expert: oh ok
    [8/24/2014 6:44:41 AM] Oxonbeef: I'm waiting for her so I can go to carnival it's a bank holiday here.
    [8/24/2014 8:01:04 AM] Black Hat Expert: oh ok,so will i b able to receive today
    [8/24/2014 8:01:04 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/24/2014 8:37:41 AM] Black Hat Expert: hey did you get the code
    [8/24/2014 8:37:42 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/24/2014 1:38:03 PM] Black Hat Expert: hey you there
    [8/24/2014 1:38:04 PM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/24/2014 8:00:34 PM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/24/2014 9:35:36 PM] Black Hat Expert: hey you there
    [8/24/2014 9:35:37 PM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/25/2014 12:44:52 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/25/2014 12:44:55 AM] Black Hat Expert: are you there
    [8/25/2014 12:44:56 AM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/25/2014 1:24:30 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/25/2014 1:24:38 AM] *** Voice message, duration 00:00 ***
    [8/25/2014 2:07:57 AM] Oxonbeef: I'm really sorry for this embarasment. Even if I have to send it myself again and get her to get the money back from WU you will have it today. I didn't realise you could send western union online either. I've only ever done it in the office.
    [8/25/2014 2:08:51 AM] Black Hat Expert: its not a problem,The thing is i have to send some money
    [8/25/2014 2:09:14 AM] Black Hat Expert: so I'm on back of you
    [8/25/2014 2:09:15 AM] Oxonbeef: I do knopw that an it is a big embarasment for me.
    [8/25/2014 2:09:22 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm really sorry for that
    [8/25/2014 2:09:38 AM] Oxonbeef: It's my fault.
    [8/25/2014 2:09:52 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm sorry
    [8/25/2014 2:10:06 AM] Oxonbeef: Let me shower. these pain killers are knocking me out I've just woken.
    [8/25/2014 2:10:34 AM] Black Hat Expert: I do have payments so i'm back of you,can i get it in few minutes
    [8/25/2014 2:11:45 AM] Oxonbeef: to do online I have to check my accounts to see which one I have money in.
    [8/25/2014 2:12:12 AM] Oxonbeef: Just hope it's not too much bother getting it back.
    [8/25/2014 2:12:29 AM] Black Hat Expert: o.k o.k
    [8/25/2014 2:12:35 AM] Black Hat Expert: i will be waiting for you
    [8/25/2014 2:12:41 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok.
    [8/25/2014 2:12:49 AM] Black Hat Expert: banks will close here so I'm bothering you
    [8/25/2014 2:13:48 AM] Oxonbeef: Ok. It's a bank holiday here so I looked online to see which office would be open and saw I could send money online.
    [8/25/2014 2:14:09 AM] Oxonbeef: I've never done it like that before.
    [8/25/2014 2:17:50 AM] Black Hat Expert: o.k
    [8/25/2014 5:02:28 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello sir
    [8/25/2014 9:13:54 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/25/2014 9:14:07 AM] *** Voice message, duration 00:00 ***
    [8/25/2014 9:14:55 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello sir,Please understand me..
    [8/25/2014 9:15:57 AM] Black Hat Expert: I thought atleast today i will get the money.again tomorrow it will be afternoon for me when you wake up.I think old salt already told you on how emergency the money would be
    [8/25/2014 10:18:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/25/2014 10:18:40 AM] Black Hat Expert: Please respond to me
    [8/25/2014 10:43:38 AM] Black Hat Expert: Hello
    [8/25/2014 10:43:52 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm really worried please message mne
    [8/25/2014 11:15:35 AM] Black Hat Expert: Hello
    [8/25/2014 11:51:16 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/25/2014 11:51:29 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello sir
    [8/25/2014 11:51:40 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm waiting for you
    [8/25/2014 11:44:58 PM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/25/2014 11:46:09 PM] *** Voice message, duration 01:01 ***
    [8/25/2014 11:46:29 PM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/26/2014 1:09:43 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/26/2014 1:09:47 AM] Black Hat Expert: Please respond to me
    [8/26/2014 1:09:59 AM] Black Hat Expert: I hope you will respond to me
    [8/26/2014 4:30:18 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/26/2014 4:39:09 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/26/2014 4:39:18 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm still waiting for your reply
    [8/26/2014 4:39:29 AM] Black Hat Expert: You are online in facebook and not responding to me
    [8/26/2014 4:39:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: I'm really worried
    [8/26/2014 4:40:06 AM] Black Hat Expert: Please send my money
    [8/26/2014 4:40:14 AM] Black Hat Expert: I actually waited for long time
    [8/26/2014 4:40:36 AM] Black Hat Expert: and you dont know that how emergency i'm in now
    [8/26/2014 4:42:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: I spoke to old salt about the issue
    [8/26/2014 5:17:00 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/26/2014 6:18:47 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello sir
    [8/26/2014 6:18:52 AM] Black Hat Expert: Please respond to me
    [8/26/2014 10:50:28 PM] Black Hat Expert: hello sir,i already said you on facebook that today if i dont get money i want to shitlist you,because i dont have option
    [8/26/2014 10:50:44 PM] Black Hat Expert: i have immediate payments they are on back of me
    [8/26/2014 10:56:19 PM] Black Hat Expert: why do you want to loose your account for this 600 usd?
    [8/26/2014 10:56:55 PM] Black Hat Expert: I already offered you 20% which you asked.You can take 30% but send me the remaining amount
    [8/26/2014 10:57:25 PM] Black Hat Expert: You really dont understand my situation,I do have to loose my business and i will have to face big problems
    [8/26/2014 11:03:51 PM] Black Hat Expert: I dont even have money for my education
    [8/26/2014 11:04:34 PM] Black Hat Expert: This is for the first time i'm suffering a lot
    [8/26/2014 11:05:00 PM] Black Hat Expert: i came from a poor family and how can i survive if i loose my business
    [8/27/2014 12:02:36 AM] Black Hat Expert: [Monday, August 25, 2014 2:13 AM] Oxonbeef: 
    
    
    <<< Ok. It's a bank holiday here so I looked online to see which office would be open and saw I could send money online.
    I've never done it like that before.
    [8/27/2014 12:02:56 AM] Black Hat Expert: [Monday, August 25, 2014 2:07 AM] Oxonbeef: 
    
    
    <<< I'm really sorry for this embarasment. Even if I have to send it myself again and get her to get the money back from WU you will have it today. I didn't realise you could send western union online either. I've only ever done it in the office.
    [8/27/2014 12:04:09 AM] Black Hat Expert: [Sunday, August 24, 2014 2:41 AM] Oxonbeef: 
    
    
    <<< Hello. Your money has been sent. I'll get the Control number off of my girlfriend in a few minutes.
    [8/27/2014 12:04:27 AM] Black Hat Expert: why cant you give the control number
    [8/27/2014 12:04:46 AM] Black Hat Expert: its not a good thing.I never thought you will do like this
    [8/27/2014 12:04:52 AM] Black Hat Expert: I trusted you a lot
    [8/27/2014 12:05:10 AM] Black Hat Expert: why do you want to loose your reputed account for this small money
    [8/27/2014 12:05:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: why do you want to trouble me
    [8/27/2014 1:51:56 AM] Black Hat Expert: hello
    [8/27/2014 1:52:01 AM] Black Hat Expert: please respond to me
    [8/27/2014 1:52:08 AM] Black Hat Expert: This is not really fair
    [8/27/2014 1:52:17 AM] Black Hat Expert: send me the money and tell me the code
    [8/27/2014 2:00:47 AM] Black Hat Expert: Call to Oxonbeef, no answer.
    [8/27/2014 5:06:34 AM] Black Hat Expert: You wont grow up in your life
    [8/27/2014 5:06:52 AM] Black Hat Expert: you loose all your relations because you have taken my money
    [8/27/2014 5:07:10 AM] Black Hat Expert: its my hard earned money and god will see every thing
    [8/27/2014 5:07:19 AM] Black Hat Expert: You will get punished  for sure
    [8/27/2014 5:07:24 AM] Black Hat Expert: I will pray for this
    [8/27/2014 5:07:43 AM] Black Hat Expert: If you give my money i will pray good for you
    [8/27/2014 9:27:18 PM] Black Hat Expert: sir,Please tell me..is this fair
    [8/27/2014 9:27:19 PM] Black Hat Expert: ?
    [8/28/2014 4:19:01 AM] Black Hat Expert: You will die soon if you dont give my money
    [8/28/2014 4:19:10 AM] Black Hat Expert: You will have to suffer a lot
    [8/28/2014 7:26:27 AM] Black Hat Expert: he336
    [8/29/2014 9:59:26 AM] Black Hat Expert: i was shitlisted because of you,
    [8/29/2014 9:59:33 AM] Black Hat Expert: from where should i get money to pay them
    [8/29/2014 9:59:41 AM] Black Hat Expert: i shitlisted you
    [8/29/2014 9:59:58 AM] Black Hat Expert: before your thread got approved return my money
    [8/29/2014 10:00:10 AM] Black Hat Expert: take 40% but return the rest
    [8/29/2014 10:00:14 AM] Black Hat Expert: i have to pay
    Thank,
    BlackHatExpert
     
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    Oxonbeef has been notified and has 48 hours to respond to this thread.

    OS
    PS. Reminder to all who have current issues, keep it PROFESSIONAL. No name calling or other insults.

    Reminder to everyone else:
    Shit list rule #4:
    If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread.
     
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    Sir,I don't think Oxonbeef has value on his account.I tried contacting him through facebook.He said me several stories that he is going to send me money.After some days he stopped responding to me and I'm sure he is doing this wantedly.I tried contacting his daughter and she says even she don't know where her father is..No one can trust this..I don't want to hurt his business by forcing you to ban his account but I'm just thinking on how can i get a better solution to get my money.I offered him 20% and now I'm offering him 40% in front of all bhw members.I just want the money which i owe to my clients.I know the pain if some one scams.I don't want my clients to get that pain.

    Thanks,
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    When was the last time you talked w him on FB?

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    Sir,Its 25th august 2:30 am.

    Thanks,
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    Probably I will get the rest from BHW to writing it, but I can not keep silent when something injustice happen.
    There is another SL open againtst OxonBeef and it is just exist without any futher notifications, I do not see any respond from
    Oxon here or on other thread. Normally when it is happen mod's give 48 hour's to respond and if it is not happen account gets banned,
    untill person contact mod and make the things right.

    So on my thoughts it shows loyality for some users and straight rules for others, rules is rules and they should apply for every user on this comunity, does not matter what status he care, but living person with opened shitlist and giving him chance to scam another users is not fair.

    I do not defend Black Hat Expert, as he sell something he does not have, but I see that he is wiling to refund money if Oxonbeef pays for him.
     
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    There's many angles to a shitlist and the main goal is to not just hammer someone but actually resolve
    the situation where everyone gets their money back or in the right hands. Oldsalt is a straight shooter
    and fully capable of handling this without interference.

    A lot goes on in the back scenes through PM and you can't judge the efficiency of a shitlist by what you
    see on the thread. Furthermore when someone is MIA it could be any reason and at least I don't feel
    like its ethical to label a member who has done business here since 2008 until all the cards are on the
    table. I hope nothing health wise etc is at play here.

    Anyway let's let those appointed handle it. :)

    -RK
     
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    You talk very logical and I can not disagree with you, but shit list is a public sections and will be good if other members will be informed with what happened and how it was resolved, normally there is 2 solutions, thread closed and sl resolved or user banned, the other thread I talk about remain from june, withour any futher notifications, but as I understood Oxon was online after that time.

    P.S. I do not want to blame any MOD, most of the time I see how many affords done from them side to solve problems and keep comunity as safe as can, and they do really grate job according to hell amount of users here, thanks for that. But I am talking now about this situation, nothing more.

    Hopefully nothing wrong happen to Oxonbeef.
     
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    On one hand I agree with you but the rules do apply to everyone.
    Allowing somebody who has been a member for many years and at an Exec level a little extra time to respond, is no big deal IMO and Mods usually do it to help people get the money back they are owed.

    For an Exec to abandon his account for the small sums involved would be foolish and if it is shown that is what has happened then I have no doubt that the Mods will ban him.

    Also both the SL's involving Oxonbeef are being handled by different Mods and it may take a little extra time for the Mods to confer. Also the person that started that SL in June did not update it.

    I think OS may be allowing a little extra time so that if this SL gets resolved then the other should be resolved.
    If Oxonbeef gets banned then there is a high chance that Black Hat Expert will be banned too, no offence to Black Hat Expert but when running a BST a certain amount of cash should be held in reserve just for occasions like this. Poor cash flow is no way to run a business.

    Anyway we should stop speculating and let the Mods come to a decision.
    It is clear OS is working to get things resolved. Mods only use a Ban as a last resort, as nobody is a winner in that situation.
     
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    Shit list rule #4:
    If you are not directly related to the situation, or are not offering information directly related to the situation: do not post in the thread.
    I understand that m.rvs2141 is offering some information but mods do know that there is already a shit list on him.Mods will usually try to solve the issues behind the scenes and may be the issue is resolved,If that issue is not resolved and the one who opens shit list is genuine he should do follow up in his own thread.
    Coming to mods,Old salt is trying his best to solve this.Lets hope for the best.
    Old salt asked me to pay to my clients at least some initial payment and partial payment later.I will do my best to solve my issue and i can say mods are really working hard behind the scenes.I Have personal experience in this.
     
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    1) On many occasions I have given people more time beyond the given 48 hours if they haven't logged in since the time the SL was posted. I did the same here.

    2) I have been working behind the scenes and trying to get a message to Oxonbeef to get him to respond - none have worked. I have also encouraged Black Hat Expert to offer an initial payment to the 2 that he owes money to and to make an arrangement for the remaining balance without counting on the refund from Oxonbeef.

    3) Although SL rule #4 certainly does apply to some of the posts above, I am leaving them up to fit with this explanation.

    and finally, Oxonbeef has been perma-banned until he contacts me to settle this matter with Black Hat Expert.

    ​OS
     
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    For the record, oxonbeef also owes me £300 GBP.
     
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    Man, that must suck.
    I thought he was a good friend of yours. I hope he gets back in touch and sorts it.
    There is no excuse for stitching up a friend and not repaying debts.
    If he does get in touch I hope he has a good explanation.
     
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    I'm so sorry davids355. You two were friends. That's really sad.
     
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    Shame of you oxonbeef!
     
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    i'll pay the OP's balanced owed by oxonbeef in exchange for his member status :D
     
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    Banned? Kind offer but don't do it bro I'd miss that avatar of yours :(
     
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    hahahaha didnt notice that. ill do it for his old status xD
     
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