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Scammed by stefistef

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by lord1027, Sep 9, 2014.

  1. lord1027

    lord1027 Elite Member

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    Long story short, he wanted to sell a facebook page and I offered to buy it. We negotiated for $50 and a personal likejacker script in exchange for the page. So we did the trade, but few hours after we agreed to make the trade, I found that the reach of the posts was not what he has sent me (in print screens), posts have been getting reach only for the past few weeks (most likely they were promoted for likes/shares via Add Me Fast or something). The page was in the entertainment niche, so I was expecting at least few likes/comments for a 40k page, but my posts never had more than 50 people reach.

    I made the mistake to accept the deal without being an Insight Analyst. Whenever I asked for proofs for page reach and other data he would send me print screens, didn't want to make me an Insight Analyst. I thought I could trust him, both being Romanian and from BHW.

    I contacted stefistef on facebook on his personal profile, we talked about it and he said that the reach was organic and it shouldn't be like that. So I asked him to post for one day to prove me wrong, so I made him an Editor and he scheduled some posts for that day. Before this, we agreed (facebook log) that he would pay me back if his posts wouldn't get any reach. Well, they did not, the page is completely dead, I can see it's slowly losing likes too and it gets no engagement from fans. I wanted to contact him again but he didn't answer my PMs on BHW and he blocked me on facebook.

    Problem for mods is that our logs are all in Romanian, when we added on skype I've seen that we're both from Romania and talked in romanian. Google Translate should give you a rough idea about what we talked and where we made the agreements.

    Skype log (agreement for trade): http://pastebin.com/Xc3neFDG

    Facebook log (agreement to refund): http://pastebin.com/ZXDPXdzw

    This is the exact part where he agrees to refund me:
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    fa-ma inapoi editor
    StefistefThursday, September 4, 2014 at 9:23pm UTC+03
    si postez eu in noapte asta
    StefistefThursday, September 4, 2014 at 9:23pm UTC+03
    daca nu se rezolva
    StefistefThursday, September 4, 2014 at 9:23pm UTC+03
    iti dau banii inapoi
    
    It translates pretty much like this:
    Code:
    make me an editor again
    and I will post tonight
    if it won't fix/resolve
    I'll give you your money back
    

    From what I've seen, he has no intention to pay me back.
     
  2. OldSalt

    OldSalt Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    stefistef has been notified he has 48 hours to respond.

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  3. stefistef

    stefistef BANNED BANNED

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    i already said to him that the page was not dead, he did something to it, i sent to him a screenshot for inshights he viewed the page and said he's interested to buy it, the screenshot that i sent to him was made for the posts that were submitted 4 days ago before i sold the page to him so there was no dead page.
     
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    stefistef,

    As I told you in the PM before the SL was posted, I saw the logs before this was posted - including the 'fan page' - and it is obvious that the page has been dead for some time. A fan page with 40k real fans gets at least some likes and shares to what it posts. In the last year, the only post that got 10 likes was when it changed it's pic - and that got exactly 10 likes. It's very easy to get artificially higher numbers for a short period of time - using fake views and fans.

    That page is dead. Refund him... and make it happen soon. Just to ensure you know what I mean by that - you have 48 hours to make arrangements with him for the refund. Make it happen.

    OS
     
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    stefistef BANNED BANNED

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    the page was not dead he viewed the page the posts that i submitted they were getting real likes and shares
     
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    Stefistef,

    Let me make this clear - I saw the page before this was posted. I already made my decision.

    You have 48 hours to make the arrangements with him for the refund. Make it happen...
    OS
     
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  7. lord1027

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    Here's the a pic with the actual insights:
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    So, if the page was active, how come it's previous reach before 25th of August was close to 0? There are posts on the page from that period, so it's not because there are no posts. Suddenly it had a huge rise in it's reach, then it's dead again. The page was never active, those posts were definetly manually inflated. I was fool enough to believe his proofs without getting to see the actual inisghts.

    As you can see in the logs, here is what he sent me to prove that the page is active (before we did the trade):
    [​IMG]

    As you can see, he clearly only showed the last few posts which were obviously inflated (I'm guessing with Add Me Fast, or something similar).

    You actually planned this from the beginning, you created that thread to scam someone. You picked a dead page, used some addmefast credits to make it look active, presented only proofs of how active these lattest posts are and then try to sell it. This time it was me...
    And you have confirmed yourself that you will refund me if your new posts won't get an increased reach. What happened to that?
     
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  8. stefistef

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    man i have no intention to scam you, you viewed the page, i told you that i didn't post to page until that time, so when i started to post again the page began to rise, that's when i tried to promote my site and after that i decided to sell it because my site was in a different niche.
     
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    There are posts from that period, when reach was low. They just didn't have any engagement. Also, you said it yourself that you will refund me.

    Edit: I posted pretty much everything we talked, I don't think we should argue about this anymore. OS said he already made his decision, it's up to you whether you'll respect it or not.
    I'll be honest, I expected more from a fellow Romanian and member of BHW. Especially when I did my best to help you with your website. Furthermore, when we last spoke you said yourself that you'll refund me if the page won't get an increased reach.
     
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    The proof makes it obvious - the page was artificially inflated for a short period before you sold it. The sales page on BST was against our rules in the first place but you sold it before I saw it and removed it... but my decision stands. Refund the purchase price in full or you will lose your account.

    You now have less than 36 hours and counting.

    OS
     
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    Stefistef has had more than enough time to comply and has chosen not to.

    A 3 year old account Perma-banned over $50... pathetic in my opinion.

    OS
     
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