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Scammed by AdvancedDevelopment for $2k

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  1. wwallace1

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    I met AdvancedDevelopment (profile: http://www.blackhatworld.com/members/advanceddevelopment.953502/) through a post I wrote in the freelancer section looking for a web developer:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/hire-developer-co-reg-website-development.841496/

    After discussing what we wanted to be developed, he said he could develop the site and quoted us 10 days and $1800. We agreed to do a 60/40 split on payment of the project. Total development cost was $1,800 therefore $1080 (60%) sent before project started and remaining to be paid upon project completion.

    I sent him a contract, he signed and i signed and we both have countersigned copies and we proceeded to send payment.

    The payment issue was extremely complicated. He did not want to accept wire transfers and only paypal or western union. We sent payment via paypal on 5/13, but he had an issue with it since he would not be able to receive the money immediately only after 14 days (he learned of this after calling paypal about our payment). We do not have an option to send money as a gift and sent payment like how we usually do. We have not had any issues w/ this w/ other freelancers.

    So we sent him $1080 via paypal but he immediately refunded us telling us that the money did not go into his bank account, even though it was shown as completed on our end. He told us that he refunded payment therefore, we went through the trouble to send it through Western Union, which we did on 5/17. I have the receipt for this.

    I told him we sent payment by WU and he confirmed that he got the money and said he would begin developing the website.

    2 days later, we received an email from Paypal saying this:

    Dear [name omitted],

    A refund by [name omitted] was not processed successfully at the sender's side.

    Please contact the sender of this refund for more information.

    Transaction Details

    Sender's Name: [name omitted]
    Sender's Email: [email omitted]
    Transaction Amount: $1,080.00 USD
    Transaction Date: May 13, 2016
    Your Transaction ID: 52X361294D4275319
    Sender's Transaction ID: 752080664X211004E

    So I tried contacting him on Skype and email about this many times but he never responded. Then I proceeded to try to call his cell phone but he never picked up, I tried 3 times.

    On May 20th, I told him I would be uploading a report on BHW about this and he got back to me and said he was having internet problems. I don’t understand why having internet problems prevents you from replying to my emails and skype messages over the period of a few days. Anyways,

    He said he was developing the site and we set up a meeting with my partners and him so we could go over the site over Teamviewer. However, the next day he didn’t show up and we waited all day for him and he never showed up. I tried contacting again on skype, email and phone but he never responded.

    Then on May 25th, i said i would be uploading a report here and he got back to me the next day on May 26 saying that he was working on the project. He apologized about not replying to skype messages or emails and said that everything would be fine.

    We scheduled another session via teamviewer the next day so i could see progress but he AGAIN did NOT show up.

    I left voice mail on his phone, emailed and sent skype messages but again, NO response. So this is the only thing i have left to do.

    So now we are at a loss of $2,160 (paypal and western union) and want our money back.

    Below is the skype chat:


    [5/19/16, 1:20:46 PM] [me]: [name omitted], are you there??
    [5/19/16, 10:44:51 PM] [me]: Hello? Can u please respond
    [5/20/16, 1:43:52 AM] [me]: [name omitted]
    [5/20/16, 6:13:47 PM] [me]: Hello??
    [5/20/16, 10:42:09 PM] [me]: [name omitted], I'm going to wait until Monday
    [5/20/16, 10:42:18 PM] [me]: If no response then you know what I will do
    [5/21/16, 5:47:54 AM] Advanced Development: Hello [my name - omitted] hows it going? My internet has be down to due fibre optics installation in the street where i live. I will be online at 9am my time tomorrow morning so that we can discuss the messages you left me.
    [5/21/16, 5:48:20 AM] Advanced Development: I have started it and been working on it on my localhost server due to the fact ive had no connection and you can hop on teamviewer in the morning and see the progress so far.
    [5/21/16, 5:48:52 AM] Advanced Development: I dont understand what you mean about the no response thing, you can call me anytime on my mobile number i provided you with. I merely couldnt get online due to no fault of my own.
    [5/21/16, 3:27:38 PM] [me]: Hi [name omitted]
    [5/21/16, 3:27:40 PM] [me]: very good to hear from you
    [5/21/16, 3:27:54 PM] [me]: Can you please update me on what is going on?
    [5/23/16, 6:15:04 PM] [me]: I just called you
    [5/23/16, 6:15:08 PM] [me]: and emailed you yesterday
    [5/23/16, 6:15:12 PM] [me]: would like to set a time for a meeting
    [5/23/16, 6:15:14 PM] [me]: plz get back to me asap
    [5/23/16, 7:54:08 PM] [me]: I have tried twice now
    [5/23/16, 11:30:04 PM] Advanced Development: Made great progress on this so far mate, we definately need to have this meeting and teamviewer session tomorrow though for me to progress any further
    [5/23/16, 11:30:11 PM] Advanced Development: I also need to know what network your going with
    [5/23/16, 11:30:29 PM] Advanced Development: What time is good for you tomorrow your time and i will make sure im online as its vital we have the meeting for progress to continue
    [5/23/16, 11:37:58 PM] [me]: Call ended – no answer
    [5/23/16, 11:38:37 PM] [me]: Hi [name omitted]
    [5/23/16, 11:39:02 PM] [me]: Can you give me some times you are available from 9am your time / 4pm my time ?
    [5/23/16, 11:41:17 PM] Advanced Development: If you tell me when best suits you i will ensure that I am online for that time as we really need to have this meeting between ourselves and your team for the next step from here
    [5/23/16, 11:41:33 PM] [me]: Ok
    [5/23/16, 11:41:51 PM] [me]: 4pm is good for me
    [5/23/16, 11:42:02 PM] Advanced Development: 4Pm your time?
    [5/23/16, 11:42:21 PM] [me]: Yes
    [5/23/16, 11:42:49 PM] [me]: Regarding the meeting, will this just be between me and you? or can my partners also join in as well
    [5/23/16, 11:42:59 PM] Advanced Development: No problem [my name - omitted], I will make sure i am online for 9am latest my time and we can have a video conference and discuss the route you and your team wish to take. Sound good? :)
    [5/23/16, 11:43:21 PM] Advanced Development: Your partners can join in thats not a problem, we are all in this together after all :)
    [5/23/16, 11:43:30 PM] Advanced Development: Will be nice getting to talk with the rest of the team too.
    [5/23/16, 11:44:17 PM] [me]: Ok can you wait a few minutes while I confirm with them first about the time?
    [5/23/16, 11:45:10 PM] [me]: Ok 4pm our time is confirmed :)
    [5/23/16, 11:45:52 PM] [me]: Also, there is an issue from paypal regarding the refund that was processed last week the first time we sent payment on paypal
    [5/23/16, 11:45:54 PM] [me]: This is the email we got
    [5/23/16, 11:45:55 PM] [me]: Dear [name omitted],

    A refund by [name omitted] was not processed successfully at the sender's side.

    Please contact the sender of this refund for more information.

    Transaction Details

    Sender's Name: [name omitted]
    Sender's Email: [email omitted]
    Transaction Amount: $1,080.00 USD
    Transaction Date: May 13, 2016
    Your Transaction ID: Mod Edit - Sensitive Information Removed
    Sender's Transaction ID: Mod Edit - Sensitive Information Removed

    [5/23/16, 11:46:04 PM] Advanced Development: Thats perfect sounds good! I will speak to you guys tomorrow then and let you all come over on tv and check the progress aswell. I wont keep you just now as im chasing after a little one trying to get him ready. We will have a proper catch up tomorrow
    [5/23/16, 11:46:43 PM] Advanced Development: I will call paypal within the next hour and ask what the issue with that is as its completed at my side. I will leave you a message once i get off the phone with them and give you a reference number.
    [5/23/16, 11:46:51 PM] Advanced Development: Paypal are a nightmare honestly
    [5/23/16, 11:46:53 PM] [me]: Ok thank you
    [5/23/16, 11:47:11 PM] Advanced Development: No problem [my name - omitted] thats really weird
    [5/23/16, 11:47:20 PM] [me]: yes it is
    [5/23/16, 11:47:21 PM] Advanced Development: I'll call them and get the issue fixed for you no worries.
    [5/23/16, 11:48:19 PM] [me]: thank you :)
    [5/24/16, 3:55:03 PM] [me]: Good Morning [name omitted]
    [5/24/16, 4:18:34 PM] [me]: We are waiting for you
    [5/24/16, 5:25:54 PM] [me]: [name omitted]??
    [5/24/16, 7:14:49 PM] [me]: Hello. We are waiting for you...
    [5/25/16, 4:16:31 PM] [me]: [name omitted], this is very disappointing
    [5/25/16, 4:16:43 PM] [me]: I will be uploading a scam report on BHW and ripoffreport.com
    [5/25/16, 4:18:33 PM] [me]: As I have explained to you. This is a project that is important to us, however my partners and myself feel uneasy by the lack of communication, missed appointment and no updates.
    [5/25/16, 4:18:56 PM] [me]: If you indeed have started on the project, we would like to see the progress
    [5/25/16, 4:19:28 PM] [me]: We waited all day for you yesterday and I was expecting to hear from you even later in the day, perhaps there was something that happened but still no word from you
    [5/25/16, 4:19:43 PM] [me]: This makes us feel like we have been scammed.
    [5/26/16, 12:09:53 AM] [me]: [name omitted], are you there?
    [5/26/16, 8:20:02 PM] [me]: Hello
    [5/26/16, 11:44:25 PM] Advanced Development: Hello are you ok for teamviewer just now?
    [5/26/16, 11:44:48 PM] Advanced Development: Why would you upload a scam report when I havent scammed you and i'm completing the work as requested?
    [5/26/16, 11:45:03 PM] Advanced Development: Its just the timezone thing making things a little difficult really
    [5/26/16, 11:46:57 PM] [me]: You never respond to my emails, Skype messages and missed meeting
    [5/26/16, 11:47:14 PM] [me]: Everyone thinks you are scamming us
    [5/26/16, 11:47:16 PM] [me]: including myself
    [5/26/16, 11:47:33 PM] Advanced Development: Can we have a meeting at 12 your time tomorrow? Ask your partners if that will be ok?
    [5/26/16, 11:47:35 PM] [me]: I don't understand why you can't respond to a Skype message or email
    [5/26/16, 11:47:44 PM] Advanced Development: I will stay online tonight to ensure i am here for that.
    [5/26/16, 11:47:50 PM] Advanced Development: Please confirm if you can do this.
    [5/26/16, 11:48:01 PM] [me]: Why did you miss the meeting on Monday
    [5/26/16, 11:48:14 PM] [me]: This is completely unacceptable
    [5/26/16, 11:48:30 PM] [me]: If you can't make it then setting a time where both of us are comfortable is preferrable
    [5/26/16, 11:48:36 PM] Advanced Development: I also fixed the Paypal issue also. It was a fault at their side. Takes upto 5 days for the money to be returned once its back in account
    [5/26/16, 11:48:36 PM] [me]: but having me confirm a meeting time and then having us wait all day
    [5/26/16, 11:48:53 PM] [me]: No message from you, no replies on skype nor email. If you were in my situation you would be thinking the same thing.
    [5/26/16, 11:49:26 PM] Advanced Development: U totally understand where you are coming from [my name - omitted] and can only apologize for this and the doubts i have given you and your team.
    [5/26/16, 11:49:46 PM] Advanced Development: I can ensure that isnt the case though and would like to have this meeting tomorrow if suits you and your team.
    [5/26/16, 11:49:59 PM] [me]: Tomorrow they will be out of the country and will be back on Tuesday
    [5/26/16, 11:50:14 PM] [me]: I can have it with you now
    [5/26/16, 11:50:15 PM] Advanced Development: As i explained previously my reputation means more to me in the long term than a quick buck.
    [5/26/16, 11:50:25 PM] [me]: It doesn't seem like that to be honest with you
    [5/26/16, 11:50:38 PM] [me]: I don't know of any job where not replying to Skype messages or emails for days at a time is acceptable in any situation
    [5/26/16, 11:50:48 PM] [me]: if you have indeed been working on this, i would love to see this
    [5/26/16, 11:50:55 PM] Advanced Development: I agree its not acceptable.
    [5/26/16, 11:51:02 PM] [me]: because we don't even think that is happening and looking for a new developer
    [5/26/16, 11:51:26 PM] [me]: Do you have something I can see ?
    [5/26/16, 11:51:55 PM] [me]: I really want to believe that you are working on this
    [5/26/16, 11:52:01 PM] [me]: we have spoken for hours on this
    [5/26/16, 11:52:17 PM] [me]: and i doubt that someone who really wants to scam me a couple thousand dollars would not go so far to do so
    [5/26/16, 11:52:27 PM] [me]: but my partners think this is a scam
    [5/26/16, 11:52:42 PM] Advanced Development: If you would rather a new developer and want to cancel on me after everything we went through to get to this position and due to the poor communication from myself which i totally understand and agree isnt acceptable I would be willing to refund you. However, I'd love to get this project finished for you guys.
    [5/26/16, 11:53:37 PM] [me]: I want this project finished as well
    [5/26/16, 11:53:56 PM] [me]: I spent all day creating a flow chart with screenshots, explanation for the new developer.
    [5/26/16, 11:54:28 PM] [me]: But if you have already started on and can assure me that things will move more clearly then I will be happy to continue
    [5/26/16, 11:54:35 PM] [me]: Can you do that for me [name omitted] ?
    [5/26/16, 11:56:02 PM] Advanced Development: Yes [my name - omitted] thats not a problem at all. The main thing I need from you is to know what system you are wanting integrated into this and i can get moving for you.
    [5/26/16, 11:56:34 PM] [me]: I believe hasoffers would be the fastest since you already have experience w/ it
    [5/26/16, 11:57:18 PM] [me]: sent a file to Advanced Development - [name omitted]: flow chart.xlsx
    [5/26/16, 11:58:24 PM] [me]: Can you give me any project updates?
    [5/26/16, 11:58:42 PM] [me]: I haven't heard from you about this project since we paid last week
    [5/26/16, 11:59:13 PM] Advanced Development: Ive made a great deal of progress on the admin panel management side of things. Which will completely allow you to control all the content of the system. (Images, Headers, Description, Incentive)
    [5/26/16, 11:59:56 PM] [me]: ok that sounds good
    [5/26/16, 11:59:58 PM] Advanced Development: Also added options for ease of editing the colours and backgrounds etc of the pages from inside thee admin panel also so that you can easily modify the looks and feels of different sites you have it operating on.
    [5/27/16, 12:01:11 AM] Advanced Development: Currently working on the landing page itself making it fully dynamic to the settings you will have stored in the SQL database from the admin section.
    [5/27/16, 12:01:50 AM] Advanced Development: By tomorrow morning I should have it fully dynamic just leaving the integration of hasoffers and GA.
    [5/27/16, 12:02:13 AM] Advanced Development: Also have a section on the admin panel for the questions you wish to ask (yes/no questions)
    [5/27/16, 12:02:33 AM] Advanced Development: With the option to have as many questions as you like either it be 1 or 2, or 10.
    [5/27/16, 12:03:08 AM] [me]: ok so when can we see a demo?
    [5/27/16, 12:03:20 AM] [me]: If you look on the flow chart, you will see some minor details that i missed
    [5/27/16, 12:03:33 AM] [me]: I really looked at the competitions sales funnel today and found little small details that i missed
    [5/27/16, 12:04:08 AM] [me]: When can we see something, a beta version or alpha version?
    [5/27/16, 12:04:15 AM] [me]: For Hasoffers and GA
    [5/27/16, 12:04:17 AM] Advanced Development: I would like to finish of the dynamics side of things tonight and then let you over on teamviewer in the morning to check it out and you can add in any input towards whats done so far then we can look at getting hasoffers fully integrated. How does that sound [my name - omitted]?
    [5/27/16, 12:04:19 AM] [me]: What I can do is create an account
    [5/27/16, 12:04:26 AM] [me]: So you can get started tomorrow
    [5/27/16, 12:04:43 AM] [me]: For Google Analytics...do you need a gmail account for us to create for you?
    [5/27/16, 12:05:26 AM] Advanced Development: Yes i would need it for your account to link the api to it otherwise it would be linked to mine.
    [5/27/16, 12:05:58 AM] [me]: what do you need? http://www.hasoffers.com/pricing/
    [5/27/16, 12:06:56 AM] Advanced Development: I would go for the enterprise package for complete API access
    [5/27/16, 12:07:08 AM] [me]: ok
    [5/27/16, 12:07:18 AM] [me]: Once the account is created, I will let you know
    [5/27/16, 12:07:49 AM] [me]: How can I contact you about the Hasoffers account
    [5/27/16, 12:08:37 AM] Advanced Development: Contact me here [my name - omitted], did you keep hold of my mobile phone number? If you ever have any concerns like previously or really need to talk to me you can always call me on my personal number. That wouldnt be a problem at all.
    [5/27/16, 12:09:20 AM] [me]: Yes because I have been calling your phone number and it always goes straight to voice mail
    [5/27/16, 12:12:14 AM] [me]: This is what you gave me for Western Union
    [5/27/16, 12:12:15 AM] [me]: Mod Edit - Sensitive Information Removed
    [5/27/16, 12:12:21 AM] [me]: so Mod Edit - Sensitive Information Removed
    [5/27/16, 12:12:41 AM] Advanced Development: Yeah that is my number [my name - omitted], I havent had any voicemails?
    [5/27/16, 12:13:25 AM] [me]: Because I didn't leave any. I have been calling, I'm sure you can see the call logs on there
    [5/27/16, 12:14:11 AM] [me]: Anyways
    [5/27/16, 12:14:26 AM] [me]: What about Google Analytics. Do you need us to create you an gmail account so you can do that?
    [5/27/16, 12:15:47 AM] Advanced Development: Yes that would be appreciated if you could do that. I will also add a section to the admin panel so that you can simply input an api key to the account you want to link and itll do the rest from there.
    [5/27/16, 12:15:59 AM] [me]: This message has been removed.
    [5/27/16, 12:16:01 AM] [me]: ok
    [5/27/16, 12:17:19 AM] [me]: When I get to the office tomorrow I will give you both of those so you can integrate it
    [5/27/16, 12:17:34 AM] [me]: Regarding the demo, can I see something tomorrow?
    [5/27/16, 12:18:07 AM] Advanced Development: What mesage was removed? Yeah tomorrow is perfect what time do you goto the office at in the morning?
    [5/27/16, 12:18:38 AM] [me]: I accidentally typed something in different language
    [5/27/16, 12:18:53 AM] [me]: You said you are available at 12pm my time? looking at the time zone calculator that is 5am for you
    [5/27/16, 12:19:08 AM] Advanced Development: Yeah thats a perfect time for me if it suits you?
    [5/27/16, 12:19:15 AM] [me]: 5am for you?
    [5/27/16, 12:19:33 AM] [me]: That is very early
    [5/27/16, 12:19:35 AM] Advanced Development: Yes as i will still be online then as im going to be working on this most of tonight.
    [5/27/16, 12:20:01 AM] [me]: ok I will see you at 12pm me / 5am your time
    [5/27/16, 12:20:12 AM] [me]: This is Friday for me / saturday morning for you, correct?
    [5/27/16, 12:20:30 AM] Advanced Development: Friday morning for me
    [5/27/16, 12:20:45 AM] [me]: oh right, Friday afternoon for me, friday morning for you. Ok
    [5/27/16, 12:20:47 AM] [me]: See you then
    [5/27/16, 12:21:42 AM] Advanced Development: Perfect speak to you then [my name - omitted] and my sincere apologys for leaving you worried like that. I totally agree its not acceptable and I hope your mind gets put at ease tomorrow.
    [5/27/16, 12:22:05 AM] [me]: ok lets hope that things are smooth sailing from here on :)
    [5/27/16, 10:41:46 AM] Advanced Development: Ive had to go offline [my name - omitted] but I will be back online before 1pm latest my time to let you see the progress. Just giving you a message to keep you updated and in the circle unlike before. Speak soon :)
    [5/27/16, 12:53:44 PM] [me]: Hello
    [5/27/16, 12:53:49 PM] [me]: Are you awake?
    [5/27/16, 1:20:26 PM] [me]: I see that your online...
    [5/27/16, 1:20:31 PM] [me]: please ping me when you are free
    [5/28/16, 8:34:06 PM] [me]: [name omitted], i called and left a message
    [5/28/16, 8:34:09 PM] [me]: can you reply?
    [5/29/16, 8:53:20 PM] [me]: Hello
    [5/30/16, 1:36:16 PM] [me]: Hello
    [5/30/16, 5:55:44 PM] [me]: [name omitted]
    [5/31/16, 1:54:33 AM] [me]: This is unacceptable
    [5/31/16, 1:54:52 AM] [me]: i will talk with my partners about you tomorrow
    [5/31/16, 4:15:26 AM] [me]: Most likely ask for a refund
    [5/31/16, 4:23:42 PM] [me]: [name omitted]
    [6/1/16, 5:33:56 PM] [me]: hello?????
    [6/2/16, 4:50:00 PM] [me]: I will be posting a shitlist tomorrow
    [6/2/16, 4:50:11 PM] [me]: this will be on blackhatworld
     
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    @AdvancedDevelopment has been notified with the usual 48 hour time frame in which he has to respond.

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    I'll start from the top here, havent been online due to family problems.

    The buyer sent me payments on paypal which where going to take 14 days to clear due to being an international payment. I was happy to way until these cleared before starting development to ensure the payment wasnt canceled beforehand. The buyer wasnt happy at this and wanted to speed things up by means of other payment methods. I refunded the payment instantly which for some reason there was an error on paypals side which I called them about and it was due to the currency so the refund was being processed from my bank which said 3-5 days to clear.(can provide paypal screenshots of this) We agreed on western union, if im being honest I wouldnt agree to a bank transfer due to the buyer being from a 3rd world country(no racism or anything intended).

    I accept full responsibility for being late on this project as earlier mentioned ive had some pretty serious family problems, however I have spent alot of time on this project beforehand and have most certainly not scammed this guy.

    Message me on skype today when you get online and i'll be sure to let you see how far on this project I am.

    Hope this clears things up a little.
     
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    a bank transfer via wire regardless of how rich or poor the country is still a bank transfer.

    anyways with the missed meetings, no replies to skype, emails or calls I had no other choices but to do this.

    If you have been indeed working on this then I would like to see what is going on...

    I sent you a message on skype.
     
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    I explained why I hadnt been online and on regular occasion I would never leave any of my clients in the lurch but I do take full responsibility for being unreachable for the past week and hold my hands upto this. I will contact you on skype and you can see the progress and can discuss this properly :)
     
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    Messaged you on skype but no reply...AGAIN

    Lets move discussion to here since this thread seems to be the ONLY place you will reply :/
     
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    A week? It has been over a month now.
     
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    again no response on Skype. This is really looking bad on your end.
     
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    @AdvancedDevelopment is perma-banned.

    I think I've waited well past what is fair in terms of time for him to respond and his comment above indicated he would get with the OP via Skype on Monday yet has failed to respond to him there in addition to him not responding when I reached out.

    I gave a bit more leeway in terms of time because this is a fair amount of money and @alexel stated that his Mother had passed and that he was a legit guy yet he fails to address this nor respond to my messages to him.
     
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