Scammed by Abercrombie

BassTrackerBoats said:

If he picked up a bankwire with the intent to defraud, that is a serious federal charge. People go to federal prison for wire fraud in the US.

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Yeah well whether his intent was to fraud or not, he is clearly defrauding.

But my question is, don't you think the feds have the power to trace who the money was wired to and who picked it up from the bank?

Lol this is pretty good idea the way he scammed using this JV, it's sux but the fault is on you. When I started to read the JV Thread I was like lol such a bs and closed it. Seriously if someone can scam you shame on you, it was all over the thread something was fishy why didn't he do it him self maybe he got banned? So you didn't even care about getting banned just wanted the money/method. Take the good points of it maybe you won't take stupid JV's anymore

voidale said:

Lol this is pretty good idea the way he scammed using this JV, it's sux but the fault is on you. When I started to read the JV Thread I was like lol such a bs and closed it. Seriously if someone can scam you shame on you, it was all over the thread something was fishy why didn't he do it him self maybe he got banned? So you didn't even care about getting banned just wanted the money/method. Take the good points of it maybe you won't take stupid JV's anymore

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I love how everyone is so quick to say "I can't believe you would fall for this blah blah blah"

Of course this is so easy for you to say after the fact. Now if this were the complete opposite and there was no scam and he as legit, then you would not be saying any of this and it would not of looked suspicious to you. You guys are so smart to read all the signs it was a scam, but only after it was scam, right?

Please, if you are not going to give us any useful information in this thread other then tell us how stupid we are then please stay out.

This is open to investigate this guy... not here for you to criticize us.

Moto801 said:

But my question is, don't you think the feds have the power to trace who the money was wired to and who picked it up from the bank?

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I'm sure they can. That would be investigated by the FBI as that is one of the arenas in which they operate.

@ BassTrackerBoats,

You mentioned that have done and are doing a successful JV. May I ask what kind of criteria you use to determine whether to work with someone or not? What kind of "due diligence" do you do? I'm glad things are working well for you. If you wouldn't mind sharing a few tidbits I know I'd appreciate it and I'm sure many others would, too. If you think it might be better to start another thread so this one's not hi-jacked that would be fine.

Regards,
ironlifter76:coffee:

Moto801 said:

I love how everyone is so quick to say "I can't believe you would fall for this blah blah blah"

Of course this is so easy for you to say after the fact. Now if this were the complete opposite and there was no scam and he as legit, then you would not be saying any of this and it would not of looked suspicious to you. You guys are so smart to read all the signs it was a scam, but only after it was scam, right?

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LOL things like what Voidale are said after the fact because if us skeptics posted in Abercrombie's thread, you JVers would have just flamed and called us haters, then gleefully went on ahead

The fact that he didn't go in on it is proof enough that he saw it in advance.

Whenever I do any kind of JV, I start with a very small amount of money... money that if I lost would not affect me at all. You see in this thread some guy got ripped off for 1200.00... that's a sizable amount of money. It wouldn't affect my life unless my wife found out about it and then I'd have to listen to her yapping. I lost 50.00... I spend less than that on greens' fees when I play a round of golf.

It the small deal works out I generally move up slowly as we progress and after a while you know the person, some things about their family etc and become friends to a certain extent.

I'm in the US and the person with whom I am currently in a decent sized JV is in Ireland and we started off just kicking around SEO processes and started a JV that actually cost him a fair amount of money and time and all it cost me was a domain name and some time. He actually controls the revenue for this aspect of our JV, takes out his expenses and we split the cash monthly. We're not best buds or anything but we do have a pretty good relationship.

Since this particular JV is working well with him, we have decided to expand and are going to be growing our deal to include some very long term things... something that we will be able to pass onto our children as what we are going to do is to build some things that are going to be set it and forget it.

It's really a feel thing for me... if I feel the guy is solid, I'll give him/her an opportunity to prove me wrong. I've been burned a couple of times and that is going to happen. It happens in every business at one time or another but the dollar amount I've been burned isn't enough to really get under my skin. There's a guy running around on this forum that is very active that burned me... I've not made it public nor will I unless it comes out he is pulling the sort of thing this A-Hole pulled.

ironlifter76 said:

@ BassTrackerBoats,

You mentioned that have done and are doing a successful JV. May I ask what kind of criteria you use to determine whether to work with someone or not? What kind of "due diligence" do you do? I'm glad things are working well for you. If you wouldn't mind sharing a few tidbits I know I'd appreciate it and I'm sure many others would, too. If you think it might be better to start another thread so this one's not hi-jacked that would be fine.

Regards,
ironlifter76:coffee:

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:S, hope you can solve this, 1200$ is quite a bit...

moto sent you a PM. I found a number to the address. A older lady answered and stuttered when i asked for him. She ask who I was and then said Jason don't live there. So its probably his mom house or something.

This came to me via email about an hour ago from him:

"Hey man. I saw that you are super worried about my absence. I have been out of commission with some sort of forborne illness. I was away from the computer as I am sure you know. The hospital would not let me out until I was "good-to-go" for liability reasons. I was totally freaking out about the JV, but in all honesty, I was just as worried about dying of some weird bug.
Don't worry about the 50.00 I can send that asap."

I wonder when asap will be.

Seems like the standard BS scammers give once they see they are in a shitlist thread

People always seem to be in the hospital? I love that excuse.

jstover77 said:

People always seem to be in the hospital? I love that excuse.

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While he was "in the hospital", he told paypal that he shipped the item. If anyone has his real name/address/phone number and you know it is real, feel free to PM it to me and I'll pass it along.

BassTrackerBoats said:

I'd rethink that thought if I were you... I've had several very good JVs and am in the middle of one right now with a guy I never met IRL. In fact, he actually handles the majority of the money end of our business.

Not only that, he and I are in the process of starting another JV as an offshoot of the current one... never met the guy, he lives in a country 5 time zones away from me and we are having a successful and profitable JV.

The internet business is a microcosm of real life business... there are going to be scammers but the majority of people you do business with are going to be stand up people.

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Even business in real life relies on trust.

Trust is something no contract or agreement can enforce. It can penalize for breach of, but not enforce.

I mean, business is all about resources, and an individual must trust other individuals with their resources to run everyday operations.

BassTrackerBoats said:

This came to me via email about an hour ago from him:

"Hey man. I saw that you are super worried about my absence. I have been out of commission with some sort of forborne illness. I was away from the computer as I am sure you know. The hospital would not let me out until I was ?good-to-go? for liability reasons. I was totally freaking out about the JV, but in all honesty, I was just as worried about dying of some weird bug.
Don't worry about the 50.00 I can send that asap."

I wonder when asap will be.

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I just got this same email from him as well but he talks about continuing with our JV at the end.

At this point, it would be a miracle if he straightened everything out.

I really hope he is not trying to add fuel to the fire.

BassTrackerBoats said:

This came to me via email about an hour ago from him:

"Hey man. I saw that you are super worried about my absence. I have been out of commission with some sort of forborne illness. I was away from the computer as I am sure you know. The hospital would not let me out until I was ?good-to-go? for liability reasons. I was totally freaking out about the JV, but in all honesty, I was just as worried about dying of some weird bug.
Don't worry about the 50.00 I can send that asap."

I wonder when asap will be.

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LOL at the hospital excuse... Nigerian scammers use that same tactic.

Don't try to blackhat blackhatters!

gotta love the amazingly descriptive explanation of this illness that he was worried about dying from,.... "some weird bug" !!

lol once he found out he was going to be reported to officials and the law enforcement, he somehow got out of the hospital and emailed....lol

efff him, still go through with reporting him

basstrackerboats said:

this came to me via email about an hour ago from him:

"hey man. I saw that you are super worried about my absence. I have been out of commission with some sort of forborne illness. I was away from the computer as i am sure you know. The hospital would not let me out until i was "good-to-go" for liability reasons. I was totally freaking out about the jv, but in all honesty, i was just as worried about dying of some weird bug.
Don't worry about the 50.00 i can send that asap."

i wonder when asap will be.

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Hummmm funny after calling his home phone number he replies now... I knew that women who answered was lying

BassTrackerBoats said:

"Hey man. I saw that you are super worried about my absence. I have been out of commission with some sort of forborne illness. I was away from the computer as I am sure you know. The hospital would not let me out until I was "good-to-go" for liability reasons. I was totally freaking out about the JV, but in all honesty, I was just as worried about dying of some weird bug.
Don't worry about the 50.00 I can send that asap."

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Lol, I've heard them all now. Here's some other common excuses: fire, floods, weddings, funerals, pregnancy, divorce, college, internet not working, phone not working, lost job, new job, court order freezing bank account... the list goes on. I always wonder why people come out with so much crap, as in this day and age it's very easy to track someone down and make their life a misery.

This guy sounds like he's full of shit to me. You can tell as he's been very vague about the details and sent it conveniently after this is all going to get escalated.