Scamed by telesyssoftsolution and interspireaddon for 1800$

Optik · May 9, 2014

Hello dear friends! i want to inform all of you that i was scamed by telesyssoftsolution and interspireaddon for 1800$, you can see this person profile on this forum is blackhat-seo/members/688864-interspireaddons
He took moneys for installing 5 servers for pharmacy websites,but scamed me without giving me anything with providing to me false information about everything!He couldn't provide the services to me and he is canceling me with refund too.
All details you will be able to get soon on this topic!

OldSalt · May 10, 2014

Removing personal info from the logs he sent via email and then I will approve the thread and post the logs.

OS

*Update 5/11/14* (approving the thread)

I have reviewed the logs that I am posting below - all 3000+ lines of them. There is some repetition in the multiple logs but I have not removed them. I have removed all the personal info that I saw - I don't think I missed anything but it is possible. As I told Optik via email, I did not appreciate him not removing the personal info himself but I wanted to get this posted and took the time to remove it.

Looking over the logs, I already find fault with both sides. It is true that Optik was never able to show a website that was being hosted live despite the efforts to view it via US and other proxies - something that would be strange with the outgoing traffic that they had. At the same time, if Optik was hosting viruses or actual botnets, why wasn't a scan showing where they were located ever posted? Any admin would have immediately launched a scan even before notifying the client and would have massive proof of any actual viruses or botnets on their servers - but no proof was ever offered even though it was requested many times.

The logs that were produced about the attack from one of the servers was dated before Optik was able to open up the servers due to a non-disputed hack caused by the weak passwords that were installed by the admins.

I was truly amazed how many lines of unproductive conversation that everyone had in this fiasco. Repeating the same topics over and over and quoting the same proof that wasn't proof at all got old quickly as I was reading it all.

I have notified interspireaddons (via PM and skype) that he has 48 hours to respond to this SL.

OS

And below are the logs:

http://pastebin.com/snX398AC

http://pastebin.com/7bsM1wbp

http://pastebin.com/uL7G2mxJ

http://pastebin.com/3UKmVWS1

http://pastebin.com/SpmEtW4k

interspireaddon · May 12, 2014

First of all this person tried to spread viruses(According to spamhaus) from our network and abused our network, Than he did DDos attach on our servers, than he abused me on skype, lastly he started abusing me publicly on forums.

For all his illiterate behaviour, i am not going to forgive him.

Now there is only one way: He needs to say sorry for doing all bad things, i need a written apoligy letter. Only than i am going to do anything. Otherwise there is no chance.

Optik · May 12, 2014

interspireaddon said:
First of all this person tried to spread viruses(According to spamhaus) from our network and abused our network, Than he did DDos attach on our servers, than he abused me on skype, lastly he started abusing me publicly on forums.

For all his illiterate behaviour, i am not going to forgive him.

Now there is only one way: He needs to say sorry for doing all bad things, i need a written apoligy letter. Only than i am going to do anything. Otherwise there is no chance.

So! Look everybody how this verified member and called "hosting provider" solving the problems with clients! And how he would solve issues with the rest possible customers you can read the logs and find the answers to all questions now!But if you do not like that he will deceive you for money or steal your money stupidly , you will need to have to agree with this and do not write to complain and do nothing ! Of course he did not like when it is fully retracted his obligations that he consciously took upon himself the very beginning , when he took my money for the servers to be ordered ! But not only does not fulfill its obligations, where he clearly said when trying to provide services that spamhaus not be a problem for him! But now he focuses on spamhaus supposedly you see spamhaus wrote him that there viruses or botnets ! Yes spamhaus frequently writes many things but it doesn't mean that it is, and everyone knows about it ! And why is it called domains , which were posted on the server ( Botnet spammer hosting ) is known only to spamhaus! But the point is not in this , but the fact that people simply refused to fulfill its obligations is the first , and finally the most important thing when you can not provide the service you must return the money! It is in any case ! What he refuses to do the same and then he wants me to apologize to him publicly!?? For what? For my lost time and moneys with him? and for his non reliable service? Hay Come on! it's just unheard of! I lost my time with him, my earned moneys, my customers had suffered because of his service! Whom to whom should apologize now? Seems you are out of mind there!????

OldSalt · May 12, 2014

As I said in the attached skype log (a discussion I had after his reply above), this isn't about an apology - or if that was the case, I think that you both owe each other an apology as I see fault on both sides.

I also pointed out that you have not provided any proof of your own. Spamhaus monitors the email traffic that it receives and guesses on how it's being done based on what it sees. They can't scan the servers directly - only your own admins could do that. You claim in the skype log below that there were scans and that the proof was provided to Optik but that admin is no longer working with you and you don't have a copy of that proof. As I said, claims of proof without the actual data is not proof.

I am still doing more digging into this so I am not ready to make a decision quite yet but here is the log:

Code:

[10:38:33 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i replied that thread
[10:40:37 AM] OldSalt: Did you even read what I posted?
[10:40:59 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see we are not scamming company, we are doing business from last 5 years and not a single unsatisfied client is there, i am having more than 300 satisfied clients. you can see testimonials on my website http://interspireaddon.com/testimonials,  you may defiantly know few of them
[10:41:15 AM] interspireaddon.com .: This person is listed on SPAMHAUS
[10:41:21 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you can see his profile
[10:42:06 AM] interspireaddon.com .: email is okay but we can't do virus distribution from our servers, i have given you all proofs in attachment.
[10:42:28 AM] OldSalt: This isn't about reputation - why haven't you posted any proof of a virus or botnet?  Your admin would have run a scan upon seeing the spamhaus report.  where are those scan results?
[10:42:59 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see spamhaus image is there
[10:43:18 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you can see clearly mentioned there
[10:43:19 AM] interspireaddon.com .: http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/spammer/*snip*
[10:43:23 AM] OldSalt: the spamhaus image means nothing - where is YOUR admin scan results?
[10:44:14 AM] OldSalt: and please stop quoting that stupid spamhaus report... I have seen that argument 30 times in your 3000+ log lines with Optik.  I don't need that garbage repeated back to me.
[10:44:17 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we terminated his server, see is spamhaus is saying this server is distributing viruses we can't go beyond them
[10:44:35 AM] interspireaddon.com .: okay i got you
[10:44:40 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you are also with him
[10:44:41 AM] interspireaddon.com .: right
[10:45:00 AM] OldSalt: no admin on God's green earth is going to do that without first running a scan.  where are the results of that scan with YOUR virus and/or botnet proof?
[10:45:02 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you are fake person you are saying that you are moderator but i think not
[10:45:44 AM] OldSalt: Keep in mind that I have a bachlor's in network security and a Master's in Inforomation science... I have worked as a network admin.  I know of what I speak.
[10:46:01 AM] OldSalt: I am OldSalt... and I can prove it
[10:46:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: that is okay
[10:46:20 AM] interspireaddon.com .: but you are saying that spamhaus is nothing
[10:46:21 AM] OldSalt: I sent you the same message on BHW and via skype.  check it
[10:46:28 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is spreading false reports
[10:46:49 AM] interspireaddon.com .: no spamhaus is not any small organization
[10:47:00 AM] OldSalt: I am saying that you can't use spamhaus as proof - where is your admin scan?
[10:47:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he can't write anything without proof
[10:47:16 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we terminated his server
[10:47:38 AM] OldSalt: spamhaus is going to label anything it doesn't like with a label... that label isn't always going to be accurate.  that is where your scan comes in.
[10:48:06 AM] OldSalt: If your admin shut down the server without running a scan, you should fire his ass immediately and without question.
[10:48:21 AM] interspireaddon.com .: this time it is not with me
[10:49:29 AM] OldSalt: You have no proof of what you claim... you have no scans of your servers - if your admin didn't run them (and I refuse to believe that ANY admin wouldn't), then you have no proof.  Spamhaus slapped a label on it - that's when YOU run a scan on your network.
[10:50:06 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we did that time
[10:50:12 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we informed him too
[10:50:34 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he was not able to show any running website on servers
[10:50:40 AM] interspireaddon.com .: not a single website
[10:50:42 AM] OldSalt: and the only log you showed as proof was before he took over the network.  You even agreed that your admin caused the server to be hacked.
[10:51:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: but when he abused me than i removed hm from my skype also so no log available
[10:51:30 AM] interspireaddon.com .: no
[10:51:32 AM] OldSalt: Yes, I saw that... which does raise suspicion.  As I said, I saw fault on both sides.  But again, where is your proof? Why would any admin not run a simple scan of their network??  That makes zero sense.
[10:52:04 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is saying that but it is not true he was using server that time and saying it hacked because you given week password
[10:52:41 AM] OldSalt: I saw the logs... you never disputed what he claimed and changed the passwords for him.
[10:53:10 AM] interspireaddon.com .: yes we changed the password because that time there was no complaint
[10:53:54 AM] interspireaddon.com .: even we did OS reinstall for him that time
[10:54:13 AM] OldSalt: then don't go back and use the logs from before then as 'proof' of wrongdoing.  BTW - where did those logs come from when you say you had reformated the drives?
[10:55:12 AM | Edited 10:55:26 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see his server has been terminated long before now there is no logs
[10:56:27 AM] OldSalt: Have your admin contact me on here - if he is willing.  If not, I can't see allowing your SL to go completely in your favor.  At best, I will probably find 1/2 refund.
[10:57:24 AM] OldSalt: Even if he does contact me, I am not saying that I am going to agree with your side.  As I said, I find fault on both your sides.  Enough to not side completely with either side.
[10:58:08 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see i have written over there i am not ready to forgive him for abusing me and for DDos, i can do anything after his written apology letter and on all forums
[10:58:47 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am ready to face any issue any problem but not ready to do anything before my condition
[10:58:47 AM] OldSalt: This isn't about an apology... I honestly don't care about your feelings here.  I care about what's right.\
[10:58:51 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he can do anything
[10:59:08 AM] interspireaddon.com .: no it is matter of my own pride
[10:59:10 AM] OldSalt: You are answering to me, not him - at least as far as your BHW account goes.
[10:59:33 AM] interspireaddon.com .: for my pride i can face anything but i will never go down
[11:00:02 AM] OldSalt: I don't give a rat's butt about your pride.  and if you end up standing behind it only to have your account banned, you won't be the first - and probably not the last.
[11:00:13 AM] OldSalt: have your admin contact me on here.
[11:00:49 AM] interspireaddon.com .: as i told you, it is your decision, you can also do anything
[11:00:53 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am ready for all
[11:01:18 AM] interspireaddon.com .: but i will do anything after apology only
[11:01:50 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am prepared for all , i informed him also
[11:02:12 AM] OldSalt: Then have him contact me on here.
[11:02:25 AM | Edited 11:02:45 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we can shortout all things and i was trying my level best that time also but he abused me and i blocked him, so all mater starts
[11:02:57 AM] OldSalt: I mean your admin, not Optik.
[11:03:15 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is not with us anymore
[11:03:22 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i told you
[11:03:27 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is not with us now
[11:03:29 AM] OldSalt: isn't that convenient
[11:04:35 AM] OldSalt: although I would have fired him for not providing scan reports after that crap.  It was asked for many times by Optik, why didn't you ever have him run one even if he didn't do it on his own?
[11:05:56 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he given report to optik
[11:07:10 AM] OldSalt: not according to the logs. he asked for proof of the viruses and botnets dozens of times.  The only thing you provided was the same spamhaus reports over and over again.  Why didn't you have your admin run the scans and provide the results?
[11:07:39 AM] OldSalt: it would have taken less than 2-3 hours
[11:07:55 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i think he has not given you that logs
[11:08:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he provided that time
[11:08:28 AM] OldSalt: then send them to me - either here or via email to *snip*
[11:09:18 AM] interspireaddon.com .: it is not with me, he was chatting directly with admin that time on admin's skype
[11:10:02 AM] OldSalt: I read logs between him and your admin - again, requests for the proof but never any delievery of it.
[11:12:00 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see he is smart guy he is not fool
[11:12:11 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he can remove that
[11:12:24 AM] OldSalt: and if you're smart, then why don't you have a copy?
[11:12:50 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am sales guy
[11:13:19 AM] interspireaddon.com .: giving all concentration on sales
[11:13:44 AM] OldSalt: then he would have passed on those logs to the next admin, right?
[11:14:00 AM] interspireaddon.com .: right
[11:14:09 AM] interspireaddon.com .: but not did the same
[11:15:13 AM] OldSalt: claims of proof without actually being able to show them means nothing.  Sorry... but if you don't have those scans, then you don't have the proof.
[11:15:48 AM] interspireaddon.com .: okay
[11:16:24 AM] OldSalt: in the beginning of this conversation you said that they were never run... towards the end you say they were but were provided directly from your previous admin to Optik... which is the truth - and why the change?
[11:17:05 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am not changing anything
[11:17:50 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see i said you one more thing that nothing is possible without apology
[11:18:21 AM] interspireaddon.com .: so nothing will work without apology
[11:18:40 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i written the same thing in thread also
[11:20:11 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you are catching this line
[11:20:12 AM] interspireaddon.com .: [11:14 AM] interspireaddon.com .: 


<<< but not did the same
[11:20:14 AM] interspireaddon.com .: right
[11:20:35 AM] interspireaddon.com .: it means my old admin has not given that log to current admin
[11:20:46 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i think now it should be clear
[11:21:29 AM] OldSalt: As I told you, this isn't going to be about apologies - if you want that, you'll have to do that directly.  I am talking about money.
[11:21:52 AM] interspireaddon.com .: without it i am not going to do anything
[11:22:11 AM] interspireaddon.com .: my first priority is apology and removal of threads
[11:22:20 AM] interspireaddon.com .: other wise he is free to do anything
[11:22:41 AM] OldSalt: then you will likely lose your BHW account - because from what I've seen, I'm going to find in favor of 1/2 payment refund.
[11:22:57 AM] interspireaddon.com .: no problem
[11:23:05 AM] OldSalt: (and btw - this will be posted into the thread in a bit)
[11:23:15 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i can do 100% also but after apology and removal of all threads
[11:23:16 AM] OldSalt: further proof of my identity.
[11:24:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he should apologize for abusing network, me, and for doing ddos attack
[11:24:19 AM] interspireaddon.com .: it is my final decision and ready for everything
[11:24:23 AM] OldSalt: how about showing me proof of him DDOSing you?
[11:24:35 AM | Edited 11:24:43 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see attachment
[11:24:56 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he wrote that yes we did DDos on you
[11:25:10 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is admitting there
[11:25:17 AM] OldSalt: I saw him threaten to but not saying he did
[11:25:45 AM] OldSalt: and a DDOS provides MASSIVE logs.  surely you have those?
[11:25:57 AM] interspireaddon.com .: yes
[11:26:02 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i have those logs
[11:26:47 AM] interspireaddon.com .: [Monday, May 05, 2014 11:59 AM] Thor: 


<<< about apologizes we must bring it to each others! because you did scam to me and i did ddos to you! ok i ready to shake hands only if case of refund!
[11:27:24 AM] OldSalt: then send me one of the logs... 100K lines would be enough
[11:27:37 AM] OldSalt: send it to *snip*
[11:27:47 AM] interspireaddon.com .: ok
[11:29:05 AM] OldSalt: even then, this is after the fact of what happened earlier - it could have a partial effect on my decision but only partial.  My main focus is on the deal and the servers.
[11:31:19 AM] OldSalt: So, just to be clear, your current admin and you have no proof of the claimed virues and botnet that you say Optik had on your servers?
[11:31:42 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i have spamhaus proof
[11:31:55 AM] interspireaddon.com .: that is not having anything for you but for me it is
[11:32:35 AM] OldSalt: yea... I've heard that many times.  For your sake, start learning how to obtain and save your own proof.
[11:32:53 AM] interspireaddon.com .: okay
[11:32:55 AM] interspireaddon.com .: thanks
[11:33:04 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i learned many things this time
[11:33:11 AM | Edited 11:33:20 AM] interspireaddon.com .: it is my first chance in 5 years
[11:33:29 AM] interspireaddon.com .: may be last also
[11:34:29 AM] OldSalt: if you don't abide by decision, it could be as far as BHW is concerned.
[11:34:58 AM] interspireaddon.com .: didn't get you
[11:37:00 AM] OldSalt: from what you've said, you aren't going to accept my decision unless Optik apologizes to you.  So far, I don't see any reason to judge you purely as in the right.  I find fault on both sides.  If you had any proof of viruses and/or a botnet from your own scans, then it would be clear that they were abusing your networks - but without it, all you have is a spamhaus report which is just them slapping a label on what they saw.
[11:38:17 AM] OldSalt: Spamhaus or any external netowrk can only moinitor traffic, they can't run scans which would be clear proof - that's why any admin worth a damn would run their own and have them available - but we've discussed that already.
[11:39:17 AM] interspireaddon.com .: right we discussed
[11:40:48 AM] OldSalt: btw - do you understand what I meant about spamhaus?  If someone reads thousands of emails, they try to make a decision based on that traffic.  At best, it's a guess.  Massive spam to be sure... but viruses and botnet, that's only a guess by them.
[11:43:09 AM] interspireaddon.com .: may be but i don't think so because i seen this in his case only otherwise spamhaus is clearly saying that these IPs or domains are sending spam they never said that domain or IPs are distributing viruses if you are having any proof regarding false statement of spamhaus you can show me and i believe on your words that spamhaus can wrote anything without any proof
[11:44:30 AM] OldSalt: I just know that they can't scan any server from the outside - so all they can do is moinitor what is reported to them and guess at what is causing it.
[11:45:10 AM] interspireaddon.com .: one more thing as a moderator of BHW i will honor your decision and i can do full refund but only after seeing apology from optic side for doing all activity
[11:48:33 AM] OldSalt: I will be posting this log within the thread in a bit but if I were going to ask him to apologize, it would be accompanied by one asking you to apologize to him.  As I've said, I've seen fault by both sides.

OldSalt · May 14, 2014

Ok, Interspireaddons failed to email me the DDOS log as requested so that too was 'proof' without any actual proof behind it

So, I am going to judge this where I was already heading previously. Having found fault on both sides, I find that Interspireaddons will be required to pay back 1/2 of the amount paid if he wants to keep ONE of his two accounts. If he fails to pay back the required 1/2 refund, then he will lose them both.

and no, before you even say it, Interspireaddons, I am NOT requiring an apology from either of you to the other. Shitlists aren't about apologies, they're about people not having their money taken away when services or products haven't been properly given. Because I found fault with both of you, I decided that you only need to refund 1/2 of the money paid - but I am not going to tie a requirement of an apology to that payment. You both acted unprofessionally and you both need to learn from this going forward.

Interspireaddons - you have 48 hours to post that you will be making the required refund.

OS

Optik · May 14, 2014

I only want to know! I cant understand where is My fault here? 1)all conditions was discussed from first time with him! about spamhaus e.t.c and he accepted it 2)Money was paid 3) he provided servers with weak passwords it was hacked! So my fault is only because My domains could not be opened for first ask? but i gave the log why it couldn't be opened! But finally limitation from other countries beyond US was removed and it was able for opening! By the was i was sending them the captcha of my pharma websites several times! Only they could not open the links! They were saying that they tried US proxy but it doesn't means that it was really like this! So from my side was paid full amount! From his side service was not provided because of him, not because of me, or because i did something i should not do or we didn't discussed with him! I was going strongly according to our agreement with him! But he totaly broken the agreements and canceled me with refund! so where is MY fault here?

techblog · May 14, 2014

I have nothing to say against anyone.
I am aware of the shitlist rules and posting without being directly related isnt allowed but I have something to contribute here.
This may also cause confusions to some members as well as respected OLD SALT might have tagged a person wrongly, i dont know.
There are two people with similar names
1. interspireaddons : profile
2. interspireaddon : profile

I dont know if they are of the same person or different people (possibly different) as on is a donor and other is not.

Also the OP might have been carried away / confused as the person is a donor.
The OP has mentioned the profile link , but the person replying to it has different profile ID.

sorry if any of this is relevant.

Optik · May 14, 2014

Especially for hindu!He is from India and he feeling himself now very rich with my moneys according that they usually earning 1$ per day in their damn country.
I think this is the main reason he doesn't want to refund money usual way and talking about some damn apologizes, because this is huge amount for him and he can't refuse himself of pleasure to have them, i think this is only main reason to delay time and to way the case to dead end. Everybody can ask yourself , does he really needs those apologizes??? I think he doesn't care about it and he will get nothing from this. This is simple logic of scammers! He is just scammer but doesn't want to reveal himself. Because if he would be a honest man, he would make a refund without any problems from my first time ask to him, but he did not, and said that money is already spent for servers! Any honest hosting company if they can not provide the services then making a refund to customers and this is normal business relationship! But not with this person! i think my words sounds reasonable for everybody! But he did not refund me my money and canceled me from at once, till long time before he trying to explain his scam to me.

WizGizmo · May 15, 2014

Optik said:
Especially for hindu!He is from India and he feeling himself now very rich with my moneys according that they usually earning 1$ per day in their damn country.
I think this is the main reason he doesn't want to refund money usual way and talking about some damn apologizes, because this is huge amount for him and he can't refuse himself of pleasure to have them, i think this is only main reason to delay time and to way the case to dead end. Everybody can ask yourself , does he really needs those apologizes??? I think he doesn't care about it and he will get nothing from this. This is simple logic of scammers! He is just scammer but doesn't want to reveal himself. Because if he would be a honest man, he would make a refund without any problems from my first time ask to him, but he did not, and said that money is already spent for servers! Any honest hosting company if they can not provide the services then making a refund to customers and this is normal business relationship! But not with this person! i think my words sounds reasonable for everybody! But he did not refund me my money and canceled me from at once, till long time before he trying to explain his scam to me.

Watch it! . . . You have received a Warning Infraction for making a racist comment!

WE DO NOT TOLERATE RACISM ON BHW!

OldSalt · May 15, 2014

Optik said:
I only want to know! I cant understand where is My fault here? 1)all conditions was discussed from first time with him! about spamhaus e.t.c and he accepted it 2)Money was paid 3) he provided servers with weak passwords it was hacked! So my fault is only because My domains could not be opened for first ask? but i gave the log why it couldn't be opened! But finally limitation from other countries beyond US was removed and it was able for opening! By the was i was sending them the captcha of my pharma websites several times! Only they could not open the links! They were saying that they tried US proxy but it doesn't means that it was really like this! So from my side was paid full amount! From his side service was not provided because of him, not because of me, or because i did something i should not do or we didn't discussed with him! I was going strongly according to our agreement with him! But he totaly broken the agreements and canceled me with refund! so where is MY fault here?

I've already answered that question - and as far as the DDOS, I will deal with that separately after this issue is settled.

OS
PS. Techblog, yes, I noticed the two accounts... and that is why I mentioned two accounts in one of my previous posts. They are the same person.

Optik · May 15, 2014

WizGizmo said:
Watch it! . . . You have received a Warning Infraction for making a racist comment!

WE DO NOT TOLERATE RACISM ON BHW!

OMG! why you considered my comment as racism? I only told to peoples here just to know from where is he and who is he, and why he did this to me! as i see. Did i said something bad about his nationality or anything connected with racism? why you gave me a warning on forum?
Seems you are concentrating on wrong sense! and loosing the main point of this thread.

P.S Sorry for misunderstanding! if i was wrong to anybody here.

proxygo · May 15, 2014

they refer to this. - out -

Especially for hindu!He is from India and he feeling himself now very rich with my
moneys according that they usually earning 1$ per day in their damn country.

Optik · May 15, 2014

proxygo said:
they refer to this. - out -

I'm just stating a fact! who is he and from where. Only this!

interspireaddon · May 16, 2014

now give me your bank account details, i will surely do wire transfer.

Need:
Full Name:
Full Address:
Bank Name:
Bank Account Number:
Account Type:
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OldSalt · May 16, 2014

interspireaddon said:
now give me your bank account details, i will surely do wire transfer.

Need:
Full Name:
Full Address:
Bank Name:
Bank Account Number:
Account Type:
IBAN Number:
Swift Code:
Photo ID:

A person does not need to send you their photo id to receive a wire transfer. Also depending on how it's being done, much of the other info is also not needed.

Why are you not sending via PP when that's how he paid you?

OS

Optik · May 16, 2014

OldSalt said:
A person does not need to send you their photo id to receive a wire transfer. Also depending on how it's being done, much of the other info is also not needed.

Why are you not sending via PP when that's how he paid you?

OS

Because he wants to get my personal info and im sure he doesn't wants to refund moneys to me only because this was discussed with him and he exactly said that he will not refund my moneys if i will not do all his terms (take his fault on myself) !! He was asking me for this and this was one of main conditions of refund from his side! Otherwise he was saying he will not refund my money to me if i will not do all his terms!
So his terms is looks like this! first i should 1) apologize to him publicly on all forums that this is all my own fault but not his scam (with topic deletion) 2) personal letter with my photo ID and my confidential personal information with apologizes to him 3)Only after all of its terms and conditions will be made â€‹â€‹on my part, only if he deigns to make a refund! ( i seriously doubt of it because all those conditions making him clean and free of his real fault! )
4)Maybe he will ask me anything else??? guess what? anything he wish according to his logic

One of my friends told me what if he ask you to suck his dick! You will do this too?

So all of this sounds unconvincing! There is no any guarantee he will do this! even if i would do all according to his terms.
But this really looks very weird and suspicious from his side to ask me about my personal info (why?for what purposes he need confidential private person information which is exactly he doesn't need to be able to make a refund!!?) Moneys was sent to him to his paypal account! when everybody saw that he is able to make a refund the same way through paypal (why he doesn't want to do this same way? moreover asking for confidential information of my person )and usually refund procedure going just like this! From where you got moneys then to where you are sending a refund! All is simple! But he has another purpose to get my details.Why he need my data?i think according to all this situation is understood! To revenge or to do some bad things to me seems because i revealed him (his bad doings) to peoples of this forum community and not only here.Of course he is having difficults now to scam anybody else ! I think this is the main reason and all those reasons just found from his side to scam me again and make him self clean with it. So according to all his logic i must take all his fault on myself and even make an apologizes to him publicly! Of course i will not do this, because there is no any fault from my side here.

Rosales · May 16, 2014

Buyer is right always. If provider got money, he must do his job or return money. Point. No exceptions. And the fact that buyer don't return money and says "buyer is bad boy", it means that it is bad idea to use this provider in future. Because he'll do the same about you. He'll get you money and will say that you "abuse him", because you (wow, how can you do it???) write about the fact that he got your money and did nothing in exchange.

OldSalt · May 16, 2014

Interspireaddon(s),

Your request for wire transfer information is denied. Pay the refund via Paypay in the next 24 hours or both accounts will be perma-banned.

OS

KevinK · May 16, 2014

Optik, seriously... you're upset and have made a number of mistakes.

But in the same sentence you said that India is a damned country...
and prior to that you insinuated somehow being Hindu might be
somehow related, simply because it's the opening of the paragraph.

Old Salt is 100% right about the scans as a starter, and also the logs
would also provide valuable information as to the infected programs.

ANYBODY would have run scans before even doing a system reinstall
to be able to block against any future problems.

And WhizGizmo is 100% spot on -- please learn from this bad
misfortune and quit making enemies, or else nobody will want to
have anything to do with you here online or offline.

Life is about getting along with people, no matter where they are
from.

BHW is a community of friends that help each other make a living
online -- please remember who you are and where you live.

(sorry, I hate seeing people destroy themselves and others, and
felt I had to say something.)

Optik said:
OMG! why you considered my comment as racism? I only told to peoples here just to know from where is he and who is he, and why he did this to me! as i see. Did i said something bad about his nationality or anything connected with racism? why you gave me a warning on forum?
Seems you are concentrating on wrong sense! and loosing the main point of this thread.

P.S Sorry for misunderstanding! if i was wrong to anybody here.

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