Scamed by telesyssoftsolution and interspireaddon for 1800$

Removing personal info from the logs he sent via email and then I will approve the thread and post the logs.

OS

*Update 5/11/14* (approving the thread)

I have reviewed the logs that I am posting below - all 3000+ lines of them. There is some repetition in the multiple logs but I have not removed them. I have removed all the personal info that I saw - I don't think I missed anything but it is possible. As I told Optik via email, I did not appreciate him not removing the personal info himself but I wanted to get this posted and took the time to remove it.

Looking over the logs, I already find fault with both sides. It is true that Optik was never able to show a website that was being hosted live despite the efforts to view it via US and other proxies - something that would be strange with the outgoing traffic that they had. At the same time, if Optik was hosting viruses or actual botnets, why wasn't a scan showing where they were located ever posted? Any admin would have immediately launched a scan even before notifying the client and would have massive proof of any actual viruses or botnets on their servers - but no proof was ever offered even though it was requested many times.

The logs that were produced about the attack from one of the servers was dated before Optik was able to open up the servers due to a non-disputed hack caused by the weak passwords that were installed by the admins.

I was truly amazed how many lines of unproductive conversation that everyone had in this fiasco. Repeating the same topics over and over and quoting the same proof that wasn't proof at all got old quickly as I was reading it all.

I have notified interspireaddons (via PM and skype) that he has 48 hours to respond to this SL.

OS

And below are the logs:

http://pastebin.com/snX398AC

http://pastebin.com/7bsM1wbp

http://pastebin.com/uL7G2mxJ

http://pastebin.com/3UKmVWS1

http://pastebin.com/SpmEtW4k

 

As I said in the attached skype log (a discussion I had after his reply above), this isn't about an apology - or if that was the case, I think that you both owe each other an apology as I see fault on both sides.

I also pointed out that you have not provided any proof of your own. Spamhaus monitors the email traffic that it receives and guesses on how it's being done based on what it sees. They can't scan the servers directly - only your own admins could do that. You claim in the skype log below that there were scans and that the proof was provided to Optik but that admin is no longer working with you and you don't have a copy of that proof. As I said, claims of proof without the actual data is not proof.

I am still doing more digging into this so I am not ready to make a decision quite yet but here is the log:

Code:

[10:38:33 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i replied that thread
[10:40:37 AM] OldSalt: Did you even read what I posted?
[10:40:59 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see we are not scamming company, we are doing business from last 5 years and not a single unsatisfied client is there, i am having more than 300 satisfied clients. you can see testimonials on my website http://interspireaddon.com/testimonials,  you may defiantly know few of them
[10:41:15 AM] interspireaddon.com .: This person is listed on SPAMHAUS
[10:41:21 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you can see his profile
[10:42:06 AM] interspireaddon.com .: email is okay but we can't do virus distribution from our servers, i have given you all proofs in attachment.
[10:42:28 AM] OldSalt: This isn't about reputation - why haven't you posted any proof of a virus or botnet?  Your admin would have run a scan upon seeing the spamhaus report.  where are those scan results?
[10:42:59 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see spamhaus image is there
[10:43:18 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you can see clearly mentioned there
[10:43:19 AM] interspireaddon.com .: http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/spammer/*snip*
[10:43:23 AM] OldSalt: the spamhaus image means nothing - where is YOUR admin scan results?
[10:44:14 AM] OldSalt: and please stop quoting that stupid spamhaus report... I have seen that argument 30 times in your 3000+ log lines with Optik.  I don't need that garbage repeated back to me.
[10:44:17 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we terminated his server, see is spamhaus is saying this server is distributing viruses we can't go beyond them
[10:44:35 AM] interspireaddon.com .: okay i got you
[10:44:40 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you are also with him
[10:44:41 AM] interspireaddon.com .: right
[10:45:00 AM] OldSalt: no admin on God's green earth is going to do that without first running a scan.  where are the results of that scan with YOUR virus and/or botnet proof?
[10:45:02 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you are fake person you are saying that you are moderator but i think not
[10:45:44 AM] OldSalt: Keep in mind that I have a bachlor's in network security and a Master's in Inforomation science... I have worked as a network admin.  I know of what I speak.
[10:46:01 AM] OldSalt: I am OldSalt... and I can prove it
[10:46:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: that is okay
[10:46:20 AM] interspireaddon.com .: but you are saying that spamhaus is nothing
[10:46:21 AM] OldSalt: I sent you the same message on BHW and via skype.  check it
[10:46:28 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is spreading false reports
[10:46:49 AM] interspireaddon.com .: no spamhaus is not any small organization
[10:47:00 AM] OldSalt: I am saying that you can't use spamhaus as proof - where is your admin scan?
[10:47:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he can't write anything without proof
[10:47:16 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we terminated his server
[10:47:38 AM] OldSalt: spamhaus is going to label anything it doesn't like with a label... that label isn't always going to be accurate.  that is where your scan comes in.
[10:48:06 AM] OldSalt: If your admin shut down the server without running a scan, you should fire his ass immediately and without question.
[10:48:21 AM] interspireaddon.com .: this time it is not with me
[10:49:29 AM] OldSalt: You have no proof of what you claim... you have no scans of your servers - if your admin didn't run them (and I refuse to believe that ANY admin wouldn't), then you have no proof.  Spamhaus slapped a label on it - that's when YOU run a scan on your network.
[10:50:06 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we did that time
[10:50:12 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we informed him too
[10:50:34 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he was not able to show any running website on servers
[10:50:40 AM] interspireaddon.com .: not a single website
[10:50:42 AM] OldSalt: and the only log you showed as proof was before he took over the network.  You even agreed that your admin caused the server to be hacked.
[10:51:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: but when he abused me than i removed hm from my skype also so no log available
[10:51:30 AM] interspireaddon.com .: no
[10:51:32 AM] OldSalt: Yes, I saw that... which does raise suspicion.  As I said, I saw fault on both sides.  But again, where is your proof? Why would any admin not run a simple scan of their network??  That makes zero sense.
[10:52:04 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is saying that but it is not true he was using server that time and saying it hacked because you given week password
[10:52:41 AM] OldSalt: I saw the logs... you never disputed what he claimed and changed the passwords for him.
[10:53:10 AM] interspireaddon.com .: yes we changed the password because that time there was no complaint
[10:53:54 AM] interspireaddon.com .: even we did OS reinstall for him that time
[10:54:13 AM] OldSalt: then don't go back and use the logs from before then as 'proof' of wrongdoing.  BTW - where did those logs come from when you say you had reformated the drives?
[10:55:12 AM | Edited 10:55:26 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see his server has been terminated long before now there is no logs
[10:56:27 AM] OldSalt: Have your admin contact me on here - if he is willing.  If not, I can't see allowing your SL to go completely in your favor.  At best, I will probably find 1/2 refund.
[10:57:24 AM] OldSalt: Even if he does contact me, I am not saying that I am going to agree with your side.  As I said, I find fault on both your sides.  Enough to not side completely with either side.
[10:58:08 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see i have written over there i am not ready to forgive him for abusing me and for DDos, i can do anything after his written apology letter and on all forums
[10:58:47 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am ready to face any issue any problem but not ready to do anything before my condition
[10:58:47 AM] OldSalt: This isn't about an apology... I honestly don't care about your feelings here.  I care about what's right.\
[10:58:51 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he can do anything
[10:59:08 AM] interspireaddon.com .: no it is matter of my own pride
[10:59:10 AM] OldSalt: You are answering to me, not him - at least as far as your BHW account goes.
[10:59:33 AM] interspireaddon.com .: for my pride i can face anything but i will never go down
[11:00:02 AM] OldSalt: I don't give a rat's butt about your pride.  and if you end up standing behind it only to have your account banned, you won't be the first - and probably not the last.
[11:00:13 AM] OldSalt: have your admin contact me on here.
[11:00:49 AM] interspireaddon.com .: as i told you, it is your decision, you can also do anything
[11:00:53 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am ready for all
[11:01:18 AM] interspireaddon.com .: but i will do anything after apology only
[11:01:50 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am prepared for all , i informed him also
[11:02:12 AM] OldSalt: Then have him contact me on here.
[11:02:25 AM | Edited 11:02:45 AM] interspireaddon.com .: we can shortout all things and i was trying my level best that time also but he abused me and i blocked him, so all mater starts
[11:02:57 AM] OldSalt: I mean your admin, not Optik.
[11:03:15 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is not with us anymore
[11:03:22 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i told you
[11:03:27 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is not with us now
[11:03:29 AM] OldSalt: isn't that convenient
[11:04:35 AM] OldSalt: although I would have fired him for not providing scan reports after that crap.  It was asked for many times by Optik, why didn't you ever have him run one even if he didn't do it on his own?
[11:05:56 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he given report to optik
[11:07:10 AM] OldSalt: not according to the logs. he asked for proof of the viruses and botnets dozens of times.  The only thing you provided was the same spamhaus reports over and over again.  Why didn't you have your admin run the scans and provide the results?
[11:07:39 AM] OldSalt: it would have taken less than 2-3 hours
[11:07:55 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i think he has not given you that logs
[11:08:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he provided that time
[11:08:28 AM] OldSalt: then send them to me - either here or via email to *snip*
[11:09:18 AM] interspireaddon.com .: it is not with me, he was chatting directly with admin that time on admin's skype
[11:10:02 AM] OldSalt: I read logs between him and your admin - again, requests for the proof but never any delievery of it.
[11:12:00 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see he is smart guy he is not fool
[11:12:11 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he can remove that
[11:12:24 AM] OldSalt: and if you're smart, then why don't you have a copy?
[11:12:50 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am sales guy
[11:13:19 AM] interspireaddon.com .: giving all concentration on sales
[11:13:44 AM] OldSalt: then he would have passed on those logs to the next admin, right?
[11:14:00 AM] interspireaddon.com .: right
[11:14:09 AM] interspireaddon.com .: but not did the same
[11:15:13 AM] OldSalt: claims of proof without actually being able to show them means nothing.  Sorry... but if you don't have those scans, then you don't have the proof.
[11:15:48 AM] interspireaddon.com .: okay
[11:16:24 AM] OldSalt: in the beginning of this conversation you said that they were never run... towards the end you say they were but were provided directly from your previous admin to Optik... which is the truth - and why the change?
[11:17:05 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i am not changing anything
[11:17:50 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see i said you one more thing that nothing is possible without apology
[11:18:21 AM] interspireaddon.com .: so nothing will work without apology
[11:18:40 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i written the same thing in thread also
[11:20:11 AM] interspireaddon.com .: you are catching this line
[11:20:12 AM] interspireaddon.com .: [11:14 AM] interspireaddon.com .: 


<<< but not did the same
[11:20:14 AM] interspireaddon.com .: right
[11:20:35 AM] interspireaddon.com .: it means my old admin has not given that log to current admin
[11:20:46 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i think now it should be clear
[11:21:29 AM] OldSalt: As I told you, this isn't going to be about apologies - if you want that, you'll have to do that directly.  I am talking about money.
[11:21:52 AM] interspireaddon.com .: without it i am not going to do anything
[11:22:11 AM] interspireaddon.com .: my first priority is apology and removal of threads
[11:22:20 AM] interspireaddon.com .: other wise he is free to do anything
[11:22:41 AM] OldSalt: then you will likely lose your BHW account - because from what I've seen, I'm going to find in favor of 1/2 payment refund.
[11:22:57 AM] interspireaddon.com .: no problem
[11:23:05 AM] OldSalt: (and btw - this will be posted into the thread in a bit)
[11:23:15 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i can do 100% also but after apology and removal of all threads
[11:23:16 AM] OldSalt: further proof of my identity.
[11:24:03 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he should apologize for abusing network, me, and for doing ddos attack
[11:24:19 AM] interspireaddon.com .: it is my final decision and ready for everything
[11:24:23 AM] OldSalt: how about showing me proof of him DDOSing you?
[11:24:35 AM | Edited 11:24:43 AM] interspireaddon.com .: see attachment
[11:24:56 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he wrote that yes we did DDos on you
[11:25:10 AM] interspireaddon.com .: he is admitting there
[11:25:17 AM] OldSalt: I saw him threaten to but not saying he did
[11:25:45 AM] OldSalt: and a DDOS provides MASSIVE logs.  surely you have those?
[11:25:57 AM] interspireaddon.com .: yes
[11:26:02 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i have those logs
[11:26:47 AM] interspireaddon.com .: [Monday, May 05, 2014 11:59 AM] Thor: 


<<< about apologizes we must bring it to each others! because you did scam to me and i did ddos to you! ok i ready to shake hands only if case of refund!
[11:27:24 AM] OldSalt: then send me one of the logs... 100K lines would be enough
[11:27:37 AM] OldSalt: send it to *snip*
[11:27:47 AM] interspireaddon.com .: ok
[11:29:05 AM] OldSalt: even then, this is after the fact of what happened earlier - it could have a partial effect on my decision but only partial.  My main focus is on the deal and the servers.
[11:31:19 AM] OldSalt: So, just to be clear, your current admin and you have no proof of the claimed virues and botnet that you say Optik had on your servers?
[11:31:42 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i have spamhaus proof
[11:31:55 AM] interspireaddon.com .: that is not having anything for you but for me it is
[11:32:35 AM] OldSalt: yea... I've heard that many times.  For your sake, start learning how to obtain and save your own proof.
[11:32:53 AM] interspireaddon.com .: okay
[11:32:55 AM] interspireaddon.com .: thanks
[11:33:04 AM] interspireaddon.com .: i learned many things this time
[11:33:11 AM | Edited 11:33:20 AM] interspireaddon.com .: it is my first chance in 5 years
[11:33:29 AM] interspireaddon.com .: may be last also
[11:34:29 AM] OldSalt: if you don't abide by decision, it could be as far as BHW is concerned.
[11:34:58 AM] interspireaddon.com .: didn't get you
[11:37:00 AM] OldSalt: from what you've said, you aren't going to accept my decision unless Optik apologizes to you.  So far, I don't see any reason to judge you purely as in the right.  I find fault on both sides.  If you had any proof of viruses and/or a botnet from your own scans, then it would be clear that they were abusing your networks - but without it, all you have is a spamhaus report which is just them slapping a label on what they saw.
[11:38:17 AM] OldSalt: Spamhaus or any external netowrk can only moinitor traffic, they can't run scans which would be clear proof - that's why any admin worth a damn would run their own and have them available - but we've discussed that already.
[11:39:17 AM] interspireaddon.com .: right we discussed
[11:40:48 AM] OldSalt: btw - do you understand what I meant about spamhaus?  If someone reads thousands of emails, they try to make a decision based on that traffic.  At best, it's a guess.  Massive spam to be sure... but viruses and botnet, that's only a guess by them.
[11:43:09 AM] interspireaddon.com .: may be but i don't think so because i seen this in his case only otherwise spamhaus is clearly saying that these IPs or domains are sending spam they never said that domain or IPs are distributing viruses if you are having any proof regarding false statement of spamhaus you can show me and i believe on your words that spamhaus can wrote anything without any proof
[11:44:30 AM] OldSalt: I just know that they can't scan any server from the outside - so all they can do is moinitor what is reported to them and guess at what is causing it.
[11:45:10 AM] interspireaddon.com .: one more thing as a moderator of BHW i will honor your decision and i can do full refund but only after seeing apology from optic side for doing all activity
[11:48:33 AM] OldSalt: I will be posting this log within the thread in a bit but if I were going to ask him to apologize, it would be accompanied by one asking you to apologize to him.  As I've said, I've seen fault by both sides.

 

Ok, Interspireaddons failed to email me the DDOS log as requested so that too was 'proof' without any actual proof behind it

So, I am going to judge this where I was already heading previously. Having found fault on both sides, I find that Interspireaddons will be required to pay back 1/2 of the amount paid if he wants to keep ONE of his two accounts. If he fails to pay back the required 1/2 refund, then he will lose them both.

and no, before you even say it, Interspireaddons, I am NOT requiring an apology from either of you to the other. Shitlists aren't about apologies, they're about people not having their money taken away when services or products haven't been properly given. Because I found fault with both of you, I decided that you only need to refund 1/2 of the money paid - but I am not going to tie a requirement of an apology to that payment. You both acted unprofessionally and you both need to learn from this going forward.

Interspireaddons - you have 48 hours to post that you will be making the required refund.

OS

 

Watch it! . . . You have received a Warning Infraction for making a racist comment!

WE DO NOT TOLERATE RACISM ON BHW!

 

I've already answered that question - and as far as the DDOS, I will deal with that separately after this issue is settled.

OS
PS. Techblog, yes, I noticed the two accounts... and that is why I mentioned two accounts in one of my previous posts. They are the same person.

 

A person does not need to send you their photo id to receive a wire transfer. Also depending on how it's being done, much of the other info is also not needed.

Why are you not sending via PP when that's how he paid you?

OS

 

Interspireaddon(s),

Your request for wire transfer information is denied. Pay the refund via Paypay in the next 24 hours or both accounts will be perma-banned.

OS