Sape.ru - Any Good?

There are probably billions of English anchored links on Russian sites - I know for sure that I am responsible for a few hundred thousand of them ;) I seriously doubt that Google is going to de-index them all...

I never said anything about deindexing them all.

But if you get one of those lovely manual reviews, it's almost certainly bye-bye, which was my point.

Besides, this is completely ignoring my original post's intentions, which was to talk about the risk/reward ratio. You need to look at the risks, but the reward can (potentially) be great.
 
This type of thread bothers me, try it and find out. Its SEO, not beg for a solution to your rank problems.
 
Not a troll, jut an observation. I guess it should not bother me but I find it hard to imagine you could ever make progress constantly relying on other people in anonymous forum to let you in on the secret o making money directly, maybe you don't?

Don't get me wrong really useful information is often shared here, but the "does X service or method work" is by far the most common thread and also has the most misleading information in those threads posted by people who have never tried the methods being discussed.
 
"but I find it hard to imagine you could ever make progress constantly relying on other people in anonymous forum to let you in on the secret o making money directly, maybe you don't?" hardly what this thread is asking.
 
Wow, I came here to gain some insight, and now I leave feeling like the time spent was completely pointless. Good job guys.
 
i use it.
i like to do it myself because i can check each link. also yourself you can drip feed them and then there is no problem with this network.
 
check the thread date

i use it.
i like to do it myself because i can check each link. also yourself you can drip feed them and then there is no problem with this network.
 
i wonder if any english site is still get high ranking by using sape
 
Sorry for my bad grammar, i`m russian myself and quit new for IM, but those who are interested about sape will get the idea. reality about Sape is following: you have to get all the pages indexed in Yandex.ru, usually it takes a weak or two. Later it was discovered that if you twit your domain and post any single page+ post it on social sites then time is redused to 3-4 hours if you are lucky. Basicly after estebleshing a websight, you have to register in yandex.ru webadmin pannel and register your websight in it.
Why is it so? besause sape originally was made to get into top positions in russian web spase.
So how to earn money with sape and examples?
Sape works as an add widget on our web platform, similar to adsense. payment is pernament and is payed every day on monthly basics. for example: you got a new website and got 100 pages indext in Yandex(minimum ammount for partisipating in this system). prise of your links will be based on "ТИЦ"-"Thematical index of recognisability" wich is inside web ranking sxale for Yandex. (PR for Google)wich is givven for the hole site, not single page, depending on ammount of incoming lings from other Yandex indext pages.
so as a new site you have 100 pages and your stats are zero. You can sell up to 3 links from your homepage and up to 5 links per level(tyer) 2 and 3 pages. so, for zero site prise per month for home page links are(2 october 2013) homepage 23rubles/month, 2 level 3.3rubls/month, 3 level-2,24rubles/month. From your sight we have 1 home page, 20 2nd level pages and 79 3 level pages. Your page rank is 0. for 1 month if you sell all the links you will get 1200rubles wich is around 40$ if all the links are sold, wich is about 1.03$ dollar per day. People are buying links manually.if your pages also have a PR this numbers will be bigger. Here you can calculate on your own (PM me for the link, i`m not yet allowed to post them for now). Online tool using average system data on the moment of calculating.
This is a perfect situation. Now about reality: because of this system and many more others Yandex has special filter AGS, wich kicks of from index webpages wich have too many outgoing links, pages considered to be spammy and autoblogs. so, most probably u shouldn`t sell links from more than 30-40% of your pages and not more than 1-2 links per page or you get kicked out from Yandex. Hope i helped you.
 
Sorry for my bad grammar, i`m russian myself and quit new for IM, but those who are interested about sape will get the idea. reality about Sape is following: you have to get all the pages indexed in Yandex.ru, usually it takes a weak or two. Later it was discovered that if you twit your domain and post any single page+ post it on social sites then time is redused to 3-4 hours if you are lucky. Basicly after estebleshing a websight, you have to register in yandex.ru webadmin pannel and register your websight in it.
Why is it so? besause sape originally was made to get into top positions in russian web spase.
So how to earn money with sape and examples?
Sape works as an add widget on our web platform, similar to adsense. payment is pernament and is payed every day on monthly basics. for example: you got a new website and got 100 pages indext in Yandex(minimum ammount for partisipating in this system). prise of your links will be based on "ТИЦ"-"Thematical index of recognisability" wich is inside web ranking sxale for Yandex. (PR for Google)wich is givven for the hole site, not single page, depending on ammount of incoming lings from other Yandex indext pages.
so as a new site you have 100 pages and your stats are zero. You can sell up to 3 links from your homepage and up to 5 links per level(tyer) 2 and 3 pages. so, for zero site prise per month for home page links are(2 october 2013) homepage 23rubles/month, 2 level 3.3rubls/month, 3 level-2,24rubles/month. From your sight we have 1 home page, 20 2nd level pages and 79 3 level pages. Your page rank is 0. for 1 month if you sell all the links you will get 1200rubles wich is around 40$ if all the links are sold, wich is about 1.03$ dollar per day. People are buying links manually.if your pages also have a PR this numbers will be bigger. Here you can calculate on your own (PM me for the link, i`m not yet allowed to post them for now). Online tool using average system data on the moment of calculating.
This is a perfect situation. Now about reality: because of this system and many more others Yandex has special filter AGS, wich kicks of from index webpages wich have too many outgoing links, pages considered to be spammy and autoblogs. so, most probably u shouldn`t sell links from more than 30-40% of your pages and not more than 1-2 links per page or you get kicked out from Yandex. Hope i helped you.

Lol I sort of understand you, but actually 99% of the people here on BHW utilise sape etc for ranking in Google though not ranking in yandex or selling links via sape, we are after the PR juice from the links for Google thats all. You deffinitley raise a good point and I have spoke with my partner about it before - would it be worth wile building heaps of sites and putting them into the sape system to earn money that way? But I feel the rewards of using it instead for my own advantages far outwiegh the hassle involved in what you suggest :p
 
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http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/461712-anatolij1888.html andhttp://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/192230-t0mmy.html have breathed new life into the thread.
Should be interesting.

Haha yeah I'm subscribed to this thread from way back so I seen it pop up earlier, looks like w9go dug it up yesterday. But anatolij1888 makes an interesting point which could be good for people with lots of spare sites laying about doing jack shit.

I do remember way back a Russian guy posting his stats in a sape related thread here of how much he made having his sites in sape renting out links and if memory serves me right the numbers weren't half bad! As I said though in my reply I'd rather use the network to my own advantages with its links than selling on it.
 
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like in every IM deal you have to work hard. if you search for "sape top" in google, you will find a page with real time statistics where you will see that top earning members making 13-23k+ rubbles frome 30 to 11 k websites a day(around 400-600$) and as it goes for now sape is getting dead slowly for the last year because of some different reasons. Also yandex itself is getting less popular. Google just makes it to the top of the lead. if we compare to results one year ago or maybe 3, results where two three times bigger.
 
like in every IM deal you have to work hard. if you search for "sape top" in google, you will find a page with real time statistics where you will see that top earning members making 13-23k+ rubbles frome 30 to 11 k websites a day(around 400-600$) and as it goes for now sape is getting dead slowly for the last year because of some different reasons. Also yandex itself is getting less popular. Google just makes it to the top of the lead. if we compare to results one year ago or maybe 3, results where two three times bigger.

Sape is dead? Yandex getting less popular? please.. Yandex is the top search engine in Russia and it will be there for a very long time and a lot of Russian SEOs use it, among many other similar services to rank on Yandex. I know that because I have some russian friends who happen to run SEO companies targeting mainly Yandex.
 
Yes, we have products targeting russians, and traffic from this country comes 85% from Yandex
 
People are using Yandex because they got used to it, but if you take younger generation? who wasn`t there 15years ago. Yandex got more popular than Rambler and Aport- 2 firs SE in Russia, people start using google and it`s a trend. servises provided are high class. google branch in Russia started in 2005. Still can`t put images in my posts but not for long any more.


Sorry it saves only like this. first figure is for october 2013, second for september 2013, third is avarage.

report: from search engines by months
values:
average daily / summarized October 2013 September 2013 at the average
for 3 months
Yandex 109,367,484 53.6% 103,742,737 54.0% 98,558,738 53.7%
Google 70,273,918 34.5% 64,599,480 33.6% 62,043,558 33.8%
Search.Mail.ru 17,676,048 8.7% 17,318,405 9.0% 16,582,062 9.0%
Rambler 2,209,119 1.1% 2,166,450 1.1% 2,130,861 1.2%
Bing 1,413,345 0.7% 1,351,443 0.7% 1,296,762 0.7%
Yandex (pictures) 1,290,655 0.6% 1,257,991 0.7% 1,191,441 0.6%
Google (pictures) 464,764 0.2% 537,368 0.3% 647,447 0.4%
Webalta 291,406 0.1% 297,159 0.2% 299,681 0.2%
Yahoo 289,479 0.1% 269,608 0.1% 255,089 0.1%
Nigma 191,438 0.1% 186,386 0.1% 176,662 0.1%



This is report from "liveinternet" rating and tracking system of russian web space. You can see the actual results. Difference is in the goals wich are chased when we speak of usage of this engines and traffic gained out of it. i want to mention following:imaging you do seo for google for all your life. You know the drill, how everything works and what to expect. imaging a new engine randomly starts and it is not yet popular.(all the inside rules for tracking, linking and raiting are different from what You Know) It will take you a few years to master it. knowing that you can do same results as you have now or maybe better. Will You do it?
That is the reason why 85% of russian traffic is from Yandex if you go for IM. People know well how to get on tops there. Only younger people are starting to rank for Google and it will take time. a Few more years.

There is one thing i can tell for sure for our Russian mentality. If we got used to something and it suits as well-we donˇt want to change it and think that this can last for very long time. what to say, most probably it goes for most part of people on this planet.
So everybody needs to adopt to new conditions. Wasn`t that a rule of IM and any other business? As a tipical example think of "Made for adsense" sites a few years ago and now. But back to the point. Google is getting to the top and the original Sape is getting down slowly day by day. but they do develop new services to do more.
 
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