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Sape Question

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by nwworkwear, Mar 27, 2013.

  1. nwworkwear

    nwworkwear Registered Member

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    OK so I don't want to start a big debate about using sape links but I do have one question

    I have an established site, currently ranking 6 for a hard keyword and around 30-35 for 2 other hard keywords.

    I have just tested using sape links for a site in the same niche using ONLY sape links as a test and it is ranking 11 for the first keyword and 20/23 for the other 2. Now I know if / when google starts to devalue these links that this site will lose all ranking but my question is if I use sape links to boost my main site up to the top, if google does start to devalue these links would my ranking just go back to where they where before or would the site get penalised for using such links?
     
  2. drogon

    drogon Elite Member Premium Member

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    Your site would get penalized, lose rankings and may never recover. So best to use those links on a site you can afford to throwaway.
     
  3. nwworkwear

    nwworkwear Registered Member

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    OK I will stay away from them then for that site.

    Also, the test site i used the links on is starting to make money so I plan to use proper methods on ranking the site now so if I spend a few months doing that and if Google hasnt got round to penalising sites at that stage and I removed the links from the sape network would I get away from being penalised then? Or would google still know i'd used them links in the past?
     
  4. ron.ray

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    big chance to get penalized, especially if these are the only links to a site
     
  5. SEOMagicianAL

    SEOMagicianAL Regular Member

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    Come on guys, really? Are you two even using sape? OP sape works like a charm when using other types of links aswell - Don't be too afraid and push it to the limit! :)
     
  6. Leith

    Leith Jr. Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    If you used SAPE links heavily, you will get some amazing results for sure.

    And if Google does eventually devalue all SAPE links - you won't be penalised (you MAY but it's not a definite like the other guys are saying).

    If you are building buffer sites, etc around SAPE then it should be fine. Just make sure you're using other links too.

    However, as always - I always recommend using SAPE links on websites you can make some quick money with - and then throw away.
     
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  7. leena

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    I don't recommend using sape as the only backlink source to your site. You need to mix it up with other sources in order to get maximum benefit out of it.
     
  8. drogon

    drogon Elite Member Premium Member

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    The question was 'if Google decided to devalue these links', like ALN......'IF', and then what would happen.

    The question was not "Does Sape work" since Op already said himself Sape links work....but results will not last forever so if you have a big brand or authority site that you cannot afford to lose then it is NOT recommended to use such Blackhat techniques. So next time read the question before jumping on anyone!!
     
  9. SEOMagicianAL

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    Haha my bad :)
     
  10. drogon

    drogon Elite Member Premium Member

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    It depends on the amount of links and type of links but its a 50/50 that removing links also can get a site penalized as it sends an unnatural signal that a whole bunch of links suddenly disappeared at thesame time.
     
  11. meatwhistle

    meatwhistle Junior Member

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    Last year I had 3 sites in a network that got shut down . For 2 months I only used links from the network to all sites . One was 10 years old with a ton of links and the other 2 were crap affiliate 6 month old sites spun content sites with less then 1k links I did not get penalties for any of those sites but I did lose my rankings of course .


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  12. meatwhistle

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    Also the one good thing about using sape is if you do get hit its pretty easy to remove the links and do a reconsideration. I will say this though . I did have one site get the manual penalty ( not of these 3) good clean site , the penalty has been removed now for 6 months and I still can't get the home page to rank for anything . Pretty sure a serp filter is still in place


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  13. meatwhistle

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    you are having good results with sape to this day?
     
  14. starway

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    I think it depends on links quality and quantity. Not every website connected with sape was penalized. Sape is a nice resource, but you should use it correctly.
    Spend some time to create anchor list, use your fantasy and brain. Don't use 1 anchor for 10 links!
    Buy links only with PR, try not to buy links on websites where there are a huge amount of links, and they are connected with pharma, sex etc
    If everything will be done proper you website won't be penalized.
     
  15. meatwhistle

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    No one other then a seller can say they are seeing results from sape ? good or bad?
     
  16. TheLinkGuy

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    ya you will get penalized if they out the network, unless its an algorithm penalty then that can be fixed by just removing them.

    however when Google finds the networks, you will get an unnatural link warning and then have to do a lot of backtracking.

    why people use crazy popular link services like sape I'll never understand. we were all saying the same thing about BMR before that took a dive and ruined hundreds if not thousands of businesses overnight.

    look for the smaller services.
     
  17. meatwhistle

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    Yeah I have had manual penalty on one of my e commerce sites . It's a bitch coming back . I am using sape though, I have around 20 sites in there now . I just picked up 500 2.0s from rankwyz so I'm going to start building buffers for my long term quality sites . Right now I'm just shaking the trees testing out services to see who I can trust with my good sites . I don't really care if sape gets hit . The links are pennies and most of my sites linked to it are affiliate Wp templets anyways


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  18. pixelgrinder

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    How you are able to say this baffles me. It is widely known and accepted that people who used BMR/ALN/private blog networks last crackdown (including myself) had penalties applied to their sites. There is precedent they will apply penalties, that's all we know.
     
  19. FatSteve

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    We all know that SEO, in the end, is more of a marathon. The whole idea is to make money in a longer term - passive income that drips and drips (or flows?).

    So, in this regards I have 2 questions:

    1. Why use methods that exploits current weakness in search engines if you know that this will get fixed soon (could be tomorrow) and your site not only go down the drain in ranks but also may get penalty and possibly never recover?

    2. Why not focus on links/strategies that will give you return in a longer run instead without fear of getting penalties?
     
  20. meatwhistle

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    If you only have a few sites then I agree, but if you have multiple for the same niche then its not a big deal . Some niches can earn you well into 5 figures in a month so its not a big deal to roll the dice for a payoff like that .
    I sent you a pm a couple days ago Steve


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