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RSS Submit is Worthless & a Warning

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by joewendt, Aug 19, 2011.

  1. joewendt

    joewendt Newbie

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    A few months ago, I downloaded RSS Submit 3.0 from BHW. Everything worked (or so I thought) and I was using
    it to submit my feeds to RSS aggregators/directories. It wasn't until I decided to offer a service around this
    software that I became suspicious of its effectiveness. I know it's an older program, but I have read many posts
    here and elsewhere that still recommend it.

    For any service I offer, I want to make sure I'm actually delivering something valuable to my customers.
    So, I did a test submission using RSS Submit 3.0 and tried to verify it. Basically, to use the program, you enter
    a valid RSS feed URL and an email address. Then select all of the feed aggregators to which you want to submit
    your feed (I selected all 98 of them) and go.

    Upon completion, the software opens a window showing a list of each feed submit site's return page, which
    the software captured. I looked at each one and put the results in excel. Once you close that popup, you can
    have the software generate an html report. I did that and pasted the results in the same excel file.
    What I found was a ton of discrepancies.

    At first glance, the results of the manual verification and the report were not that great (69% success rate),
    but still acceptable for a program this old.

    False Positives (indicates success when actually failure): 14
    False Negatives (indicates failed submit when actually success): 12
    False Known (indicates success or failure but no way to verify result): 14

    Out of the 98 aggregators on the list, 68 appeared successful, 13 failed, 11 there is no way to verify so they
    could be either, 2 required manual submission because of extra fields and 4 the software just skipped altogether.

    But the actual results were much worse...

    Looking at the error logs, I discovered many of the sites that were "verified" as successful in my initial
    comparison had actually failed. The domains showed "server not found" and "operation timed out" errors.

    Instead of trying to guess why, I decided to decompile the software and see exactly what URLs were being used
    for submission and how the software was carrying out the submission process. I'm no programming guru,
    but the decompiler I used extracted text strings and functions well enough to allow me get the answers I needed.
    What I found was disturbing.

    For each site, the software uses a URL text string to submit your RSS feed. Something along the lines of

    Code:
    hxxp feedsite com/submit.php?url=[your feed url]&email=[your email]&name=[your name]...   you get the idea 

    Since this is hard coded in to the software, if any sites change their submission pages or processes, fields
    or categories, the software would need an update to change that code. Dummysoftware/ksoft looks like it hasn't updated its site (and its software) since 2009.

    What's worse, it seems that the program itself was generating some of the return pages from internal templates.
    These are the same pages I mentioned above - the ones I thought I was viewing live (or at least captures of them).

    That led me to extract all 98 URL strings and test them individually, as well as manually visit each domain.

    It took a lot of time, but at this point I had to know what was going on. The results are as follows:
    • Out of the 98 RSS sites on the list, the RSS Submit software can only successfully automatically submit your feed to 12 of them.
      [*]57 of the sites are dead (404, for sale, new site, no longer accepting submissions, one even triggered my NAV with a Trojan.Maljava)
      [*]11 still work, but now have CAPTCHA or additional fields that require manual submission
      [*]10 sites require registration (free)
      [*]6 sites now require payment for RSS submission
      [*]2 require reciprocal links
    These results led to the conclusion reflected in the post title - this software is now worthless.
    It's just too old - with the developer gone and no updates, that's it. Further, after examining what I
    could make of the source, I doubt the RSS Submit ever really submitted to at least 4 of those sites.

    Even though the report indicates successful submission, the software can only submit your RSS feeds to 12 sites.
    If you type moderately fast or use roboform, you might as well do it manually.

    It's time to find another solution for mass RSS submissions.
    (RSSbot looks OK, but not sure of the update status. Sick submitter also looks powerful, but you need to write your own templates in their markup for each RSS site - may take some time.)
    If anyone else knows of other solutions that work, please let me know.

    WARNING: There are numerous Fiverr gigs selling RSS submission (will submit to 70+, 100+, 125+ RSS aggs, etc.)
    using RSS Submit 3.0. Don't buy them!!! You get nothing for your money! (...and the sellers probably don't even
    realize it because they believe the generated report).
     
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  2. ktown

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    thank u for the great review. you really did your homework.

    with so many forms to fill maybe best to use semi auto on only the top 20-25 sites? i bet it is very hard to keep up with 98 sites. is there really any benefit for using the less popular sites?
     
  3. joewendt

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    There aren't even 98 sites to keep track of... only 33 still work. There are 55 additional sites in the program that you can submit to manually.
    As far as the number of RSS sites you submit to, there are 2 reasons to submit: 1. to get indexed faster and 2. to get backlinks. So the lesser sites, if they accept the feed, can get you backlinks. That's the argument for submitting to as many aggregators as possible. However, these days some have stricter content filters and even human reviewers (because of people like us and software like this) to weed out the autoblogs/fake reviews/im junk, etc. The other thing is creating feeds of your backlinks and submitting/pinging those.

    I submit to a handful with my real blogs and just ping the feeds for the rest. Just Google "submit your feed" or "rss aggregators" (without quotes) to find the best ones. This is just one of many methods to get backlinks and you should always use multiple methods. To get indexed fast, submit your URL to a bunch of stats sites (you can use scrapebox for this). For backlinks, just cruise this forum and you'll find tons of methods.
     
  4. raawow

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    Wow good to know, back to SenukeX again :D
     
  5. jimbobo2779

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    Been saying it for ages. I have no idea how people think they are getting such great results from a tool that was released years ago and hasnt been updated in a very extended amount of time.
     
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    Even weirder is that they have upgraded it several times since. It is now version 3.12 not version 3.0.

    I usually get pretty immediate responses from the guys behind Dummysoftware as we run quite a few pieces of their kit so perhaps I'll forward this link on to Kory Becker and see what he has to say. If true this is very worrying but it could be an issue with an old copy that had problems and has since been upgraded?

    Don't know and too early to comment in reality.
     
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    thanks for sharing the info!!
    I had never submitted my RSS Feeds anywhere... and for now I won't be paying anyone to do it for me...
     
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    I never used it myself but I think this is a great share on your part. Should save some people a lot of wasted time. You went the extra mile here. +rep
     
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  9. joewendt

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    On the site, it looks like the tool hasn't seen an update in years. The latest date referenced anywhere on the site is 2009. It would be great for everyone if version 3.12 performs better. If anyone knows when that last update was released, it would be helpful info to share with the community. While I can draw no conclusions on a version I haven't used, version 3 is still simply too old to be useful anymore.
     
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    You can't judge a program by using an outdated version. That's like complaining that the first version of SENuke doesn't have a great success rate. You get what you paid for in this case.

    If you go to their site and click the "free download" you'll be sent a trial of version 3.14.

    If you are planning on offering a service with the software then buy damn thing and get all the updates included. And, unless you know all the fiverr gigs are using the same old version you are, then a caution of fiverr is short of a mute point.

    On a different note, there is also extralabs submit rss which I believe handles over 140 rss sources. Perhaps you'd have more success with theirs?
     
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  11. joewendt

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    I'm not sure how moot the point is. Looking at their page for the software, they list all of the feed sites it supports.
    Many of the same sites that are now dead, require reciprocal links, etc. are the same ones still listed.
    So I don't feel bad about warning people off the fiverr gigs that use this software. However, in the interest
    of being thorough, I will take a look at the free version of the latest release just in case they updated
    the program without updating their site. As far as buying it, I definitely would have if I found that it worked,
    unfortunately it didn't.

    Thanks for the info. I will check out extralabs.
     
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    OK, I said I'd check out version 3.14, so here is what I found...

    This "latest" version still includes dead RSS sites from v3.0. The same links are hard coded into the software. Some examples:

    Technorati: Still links to their old ping page that's been dead for years. For those that don't know, you have to register free, claim your blog and authenticate the claim.
    Moreover/MSN: Has Been Dead for Years!!! Seriously, this program still tries to ping api.moreover.com!
    blogcensus.net: Now a Madrid pool repair site.
    newsnetplus.com: Now a really shitty autoblog.
    blogstreet.com: Dead.
    bulkfeeds.net: Dead.
    newsgoblin.com: Dead.
    BeGoodBe.com: Dead.
    findory.com: Dead since 2007!!!

    I could go on, but I've had enough. I looked at ksoft's social media pages and found that the 3.12 version was released 5/22/2011. No date info on 3.14

    When I started this analysis, I thought the software was just old. But if this is what they call an update,
    for $124.95, I now believe they are scammers, actively fucking people over with worthless software.

    Perhaps ksoft/DummySoftware/RSS Submit 3.x belongs on the shitlist?
    Unless someone can show me I've made a mistake, I'm calling this analysis concluded. Time to move on.
     
  13. jimbobo2779

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    Dude you are absolutely right it is a piece of shit software. I really don't understand how people think they get good results from it as it clearly just spends a lot of time posting to websites that don't even exist anymore. When I was writing my own RSS Submitter I looked over the list of sites that this submitted to and out of the list of around 100 found around 30 working sites. Yet on the salespage and all over the internet it still claims it posts to all of these sites.

    I could go on about how the tool doesn't do half of what it claims to do but what is the point. Its dead


     
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    thanks for this
     
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    Great, thanks for your initiative in taking a look and reporting back with such detail. Much appreciated!
     
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    This has been very helpful. Thanks for posting this.

    Does anyone have any opinions on alternatives to automate/semi-automate RSS submission?

    extralabs RSS Submit seems to be working well. All the feeds exist, it posts to most of them successfully, and offers manual for roughly 20 of them. Also allows you to remove the ones with low pr, which is handy...

    Has anyone tried Fast RSS Submitter?
     
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    I haven't used it but incansoft just updated RSSBOT and its on sale for 7$ right now -
    http://www.incansoft.com/IS0012.php
    Coupon - FEEDS

    The email just said the coupon wont last long but it didnt give an exact date, typically there coupons last a month though.
     
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    Thank you for your extensive work. You just helped me out tremendously.
     
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    Thank you for this info. I use(d) Rss Submit 3.0 and there is definetely something wrong with it...