Round two.

JustUs · May 14, 2017

Debian said:
Do you really believe your own statement there that they don't deploy these same tools against Americans? If you really believe the government follows its own laws that it imposes on its citizens.....then may God help you. This is one of the main reasons tons and tons of Americans use vpn's, amongst many other reasons. Yes, AT&T got caught as being in collusion with the government, before public knowledge was available on this topic. Them getting caught was the only reason laws were drafted after the fact. Mass surveillance (dragnet surveillance) has proven time and time again to not be effective, and yet they continue to conduct it. Is this global surveillance stopping foreign terrorists? No. Is it stopping the global spread of propaganda on social networks? No. Is it stopping the spread of viruses and malware? No. What is this really about then?

For knowing so damn much, you know so goddamned little.

What We Know About the NSA and AT&T’s Spying Pact
https://www.wired.com/2015/08/know-nsa-atts-spying-pact/

The Government Wants A Backdoor Into Your Online Communications
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/caleatwo

Bill Introduced To Repeal Patriot Act And Prevent The Government From Demanding Encryption Backdoors
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...vernment-demanding-encryption-backdoors.shtml

The Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) of 1994
https://www.eff.org/issues/calea

INTRODUCTION TO MODULE V:THE USA PATRIOT ACT, FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE and CYBERSPACE PRIVACY
https://cyber.harvard.edu/privacy/Introduction to Module V.htm

Law Enforcement and Data Privacy: A Forward-Looking Approach
http://www.yalelawjournal.org/comment/law-enforcement-and-data-privacy-a-forward-looking-approach

Microsoft prevails again in dispute with Justice Department over customer data in Ireland
https://www.geekwire.com/2017/microsoft-prevails-dispute-justice-department-customer-data-ireland/

Stored Communications Act
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-121

May inquisitiveness save you.

Sherb · May 15, 2017

@jazzc with a logical justice boner all over this thread. Love it.

rafark · May 15, 2017

JustUs said:
So you use Windows. That means you are vulnerable. It also means that you are using a Mac as a token popularity piece, and then storing your files in one of the worst places you can. The cloud, which most governments have laws that allow them to access the material. This in turn means that there is some master key that others can find and use.

Mac is not all that, and it is missing the box of chocolate. If you have work to do, you will find that for the most part it is done on Windows. This is immaterial of whether you use a virtual machine on Linux or OSX, or outright use a Windows box.

Whaaat? I'm not forced to tell you the reasons why I use one system over the other but I will. I mainly use a Mac because of its font rendering engine and it's command line system. On top of that, the stability of the OS is way better than what I've experienced on windows.

I backup my files in the cloud just because they're too important for my business to be stored in one physical device that's too vulnerable to suffer an accident. I don't sell drugs and thus I have nothing to hide from the government. If they were hacked, they're of no value to hackers either because I don't store my blueprints/master plans/passwords in digital files, all they'd find is development source files and design files.

About the last part, I actually would've been limited if I used windows because in my industry there are more Mac specific applications that are not available on windows such as sketch. So no, pretty much all the hard work is done in my Mac. I only use the windows laptop for some SEO tools which is just a fraction of what I do. I could live without a Windows but couldn't without a Mac.

Lastly, what would be the problem in people using one system because of its popularity?

JustUs · May 15, 2017

rafark said:
Whaaat? I'm not forced to tell you the reasons why I use one system over the other but I will. I mainly use a Mac because of its font rendering engine and it's command line system. On top of that, the stability of the OS is way better than what I've experienced on windows.

I backup my files in the cloud just because they're too important for my business to be stored in one physical device that's too vulnerable to suffer an accident. I don't sell drugs and thus I have nothing to hide from the government. If they were hacked, they're of no value to hackers either because I don't store my blueprints/master plans/passwords in digital files, all they'd find is development source files and design files.

About the last part, I actually would've been limited if I used windows because in my industry there are more Mac specific applications that are not available on windows such as sketch. So no, pretty much all the hard work is done in my Mac. I only use the windows laptop for some SEO tools which is just a fraction of what I do. I could live without a Windows but couldn't without a Mac.

Lastly, what would be the problem in people using one system because of its popularity?

I do not see that you are compelled to inform me why you chose any system over another. However, I will address your issues.

Sketch alternatives for Windows:
1. Adobe Illustrator
2. Inkscape
3. Affinity Designer
4. Xara Designer Pro
5. Gravit

Backups? Funny. I do all my backups locally on a USB Lan over ethernet. The only thing I have that backs up in the cloud is my Windows Phone. You really struck out there. Common security precautions are to have on site and off site backups. I do, but all backups are taken locally and transported by foot.

Hide from the government? There are well over 10,000 laws in place in the US. How many do you know. This means that there are well over 10,000 ways for the government to trap you without your acquiescence.

If you fail to store digital files of blueprints, etc., then you lack access to them for things like Autocad.

You do not have to sell drugs to come to the governments attention. Browsing the wrong web page can do that all by itself. Oh, you use https? that has been broken longer than it has not and is not secure.

About the only thing I am aware of that is Mac specific is Garage Band. I am not that sure as there was talk that Apple was getting ready to make that program available to the unwashed windows users, there are better alternatives I would recommend like Rose Garden (Linux), Audacity (Windows, Linux, OSX), Pro Tools (Windows), Native Instruments Guitar Rig, and the like.

If there really is something that is OSX specific with no alternative, then I would put dollars to doughnuts that I can run it in a VM. The fanboi stuff just has no relevance in modern computing. Apple is really nothing more than a status symbol. I do not waste time on status symbols.

Capo Dei Capi · May 15, 2017

JustUs said:
If there really is something that is OSX specific with no alternative, then I would put dollars to doughnuts that I can run it in a VM. The fanboi stuff just has no relevance in modern computing. Apple is really nothing more than a status symbol. I do not waste time on status symbols.

Apple is a really good company that will help you to make more money, just spend $10,000 on a mac that is outperformed by a $2,000 pc and you will see the benefits.

rafark · May 15, 2017

JustUs said:
I do not see that you are compelled to inform me why you chose any system over another. However, I will address your issues.

Sketch alternatives for Windows:
1. Adobe Illustrator
2. Inkscape
3. Affinity Designer
4. Xara Designer Pro
5. Gravit

Backups? Funny. I do all my backups locally on a USB Lan over ethernet. The only thing I have that backs up in the cloud is my Windows Phone. You really struck out there. Common security precautions are to have on site and off site backups. I do, but all backups are taken locally and transported by foot.

Hide from the government? There are well over 10,000 laws in place in the US. How many do you know. This means that there are well over 10,000 ways for the government to trap you without your acquiescence.

If you fail to store digital files of blueprints, etc., then you lack access to them for things like Autocad.

You do not have to sell drugs to come to the governments attention. Browsing the wrong web page can do that all by itself. Oh, you use https? that has been broken longer than it has not and is not secure.

About the only thing I am aware of that is Mac specific is Garage Band. I am not that sure as there was talk that Apple was getting ready to make that program available to the unwashed windows users, there are better alternatives I would recommend like Rose Garden (Linux), Audacity (Windows, Linux, OSX), Pro Tools (Windows), Native Instruments Guitar Rig, and the like.

If there really is something that is OSX specific with no alternative, then I would put dollars to doughnuts that I can run it in a VM. The fanboi stuff just has no relevance in modern computing. Apple is really nothing more than a status symbol. I do not waste time on status symbols.

Inkscape? Seriously? Inkscape is complete shit. I just test it out this week to convert a raster graphic to vector using its tracing tool and the result was beyond poor. Not to mention sketch is a User Interface Design application whereas Inkscape is for working with vector graphics. They've nothing in common. There's nothing, nada like sketch for windows and you cannot use "alternatives" if you want to use community content specifically made for sketch such as pre made mockups.

And you didn't address my main reasons to use a Mac: its font rendering engine and its command line system. The first one is crucial for designs (because windows font rendering engine doesn't render the typeface's original design) and the second one for development. You don't have bash, zsh, git or iterm (to name a few) in windows. Sure you get "alternatives" but most of them are hacks.

Regarding government and backups: what I meant is that the government can check everything they want, they won't find anything useful or suspicious about me.

If you've a Mac you have the possibility to run both Mac and windows programs whereas if you've a windows computer you won't be able to run Mac programs (not counting hacks).

Lastly, I get it you don't like Mac I don't like windows. We won't change each other opinions on the subject.

JustUs · May 15, 2017

rafark said:
And you didn't address my main reasons to use a Mac: its font rendering engine and its command line system. The first one is crucial for designs (because windows font rendering engine doesn't render the typeface's original design) and the second one for development. You don't have bash, zsh, git or iterm (to name a few) in windows. Sure you get "alternatives" but most of them are hacks.

Regarding government and backups: what I meant is that the government can check everything they want, they won't find anything useful or suspicious about me.

If you've a Mac you have the possibility to run both Mac and windows programs whereas if you've a windows computer you won't be able to run Mac programs (not counting hacks).

Lastly, I get it you don't like Mac I don't like windows. We won't change each other opinions on the subject.

Let me straighten you out. In Windows you have Bash, Zsh, Git, and iterm. Sometimes you have to install Cygwin like I did under Windows XP, sometimes you have to install git like I do for Windows 8.1 and Visual Studio, sometimes they come with the OS like in Windows 10. Windows has always had a command line. Powershell extended the command line. Your graphics capabilities are dependent on the video card rather than the OS, this includes font rendering. With Mac you are stuck with whatever video card they install in the system. Barring a laptop or notepad, with Windows you are free to use whatever video card meets your fancy.

I hope you never come to the governments attention. IOf you do, then you will find that the information that can be drawn from a cloud backup would astound you.

I have an Intel CPU and an MSI B85-G43 motherboard, and an Nvidea graphics card. With it I can run Windows or Hackintosh. I generally run Hackingtosh from a virtual machine though, and then only when I am attempting to track some security issue, though I have not had to for a few years since I moved friends and customers off Apple. So, allowing for your disqualification, no I would not be able to OSX without modification. H9wever, in the real world, I have no problem running OSX natively. I simply choose not to because OSX does not meet my needs and requirements.

rafark · May 15, 2017

JustUs said:
Let me straighten you out. In Windows you have Bash, Zsh, Git, and iterm. Sometimes you have to install Cygwin like I did under Windows XP, sometimes you have to install git like I do for Windows 8.1 and Visual Studio, sometimes they come with the OS like in Windows 10. Windows has always had a command line. Powershell extended the command line. Your graphics capabilities are dependent on the video card rather than the OS, this includes font rendering. With Mac you are stuck with whatever video card they install in the system. Barring a laptop or notepad, with Windows you are free to use whatever video card meets your fancy.

I hope you never come to the governments attention. IOf you do, then you will find that the information that can be drawn from a cloud backup would astound you.

I have an Intel CPU and an MSI B85-G43 motherboard, and an Nvidea graphics card. With it I can run Windows or Hackintosh. I generally run Hackingtosh from a virtual machine though, and then only when I am attempting to track some security issue, though I have not had to for a few years since I moved friends and customers off Apple. So, allowing for your disqualification, no I would not be able to OSX without modification. H9wever, in the real world, I have no problem running OSX natively. I simply choose not to because OSX does not meet my needs and requirements.

Nope. Bash is for unix based systems like Linux and Mac Os, I beileve you can install it or emulate it on windows, but then again it's a hack, non native. Same thing for zsh. Iterm is Mac os exclusive, the windows "alternative" that resembles it the most is ConEmu.

Font rendering depends on the engine and screen resolution, it has nothing to do with the graphics card. The one Microsoft uses is called ClearType I beileve and it renders sharper fonts sacrificing its original design, whereas apple's engine respects the font's original design but renders less sharp fonts in lower resolution screens. This font rendering topic is as hot among designers as is the OS itself and is one of the main reasons the Mac is widely used for design.

But as I said, we can be here all day and will never agree.

Capo Dei Capi · May 15, 2017

Mac is used by designers because they fall for the apple cult that they got into after buying an Apple product for the first time with their student loans. Anyone that is serious about content creation would use windows instead so they can get much more work done for an even lower price.

JustUs · May 15, 2017

rafark said:
Nope. Bash is for unix based systems like Linux and Mac Os, I beileve you can install it or emulate it on windows, but then again it's a hack, non native. Same thing for zsh. Iterm is Mac os exclusive, the windows "alternative" that resembles it the most is ConEmu.

Font rendering depends on the engine and screen resolution, it has nothing to do with the graphics card. The one Microsoft uses is called ClearType I beileve and it renders sharper fonts sacrificing its original design, whereas apple's engine respects the font's original design but renders less sharp fonts in lower resolution screens. This font rendering topic is as hot among designers as is the OS itself and is one of the main reasons the Mac is widely used for design.

But as I said, we can be here all day and will never agree.

You are burying yourself. Is Microsoft a good enough source that Bash (Ubuntu in general) runs on Windows 10?

Bash on Windows provides developers with a familiar Bash shell and Linux environment in which you can run most Linux command-line tools, directly on Windows, UNMODIFIED, without needing an entire Linux virtual machine!

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about

Is ZDNet a good enough source? Ubuntu on Windows 10 native.

Are you ready for Ubuntu on Windows 10? Microsoft is. Its latest Windows Fast Ring update, 14316, is here and it includes Ubuntu and Bash on Windows 10.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntu-and-bash-arrive-on-windows-10/

Yeah right, font rendering depends on screen resolution and the engine. Your very logic is suspect. Logically, your assertion here is saying that two different make of 4k displays with the same video engine (same video card that supplies the video engine) would supply the same resolution. Yet you claim that Apple provides better resolution.

You then attempt to place blame on cleartype. What happens when you use Adobe fonts? You are no longer using cleartype. Ditto with any custom font.

However, I am closing the discussion with you on my end.

rafark · May 15, 2017

Enough said. I'm out.

jazzc · May 15, 2017

rafark said:
and the second one for development. You don't have bash, zsh, git or iterm (to name a few) in windows. Sure you get "alternatives" but most of them are hacks.

Actually, Windows 10 has a native subsystem which runs Linux mostly fine - with the exception of shared memory segments which have not been implemented in the first release (practically, this means you can't run Postgres natively). Personally, I prefer the "alternatives", which are not hacks btw, they are compiled for Windows with an emulation layer (think Cygwin env) or without. Also, ConEmu is awesome, see Cmder for a neat integration of it.

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