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ripped off 4k .. what do I do?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by snoopdogg1, Feb 28, 2018.

  1. snoopdogg1

    snoopdogg1 Junior Member

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    I have spent 6 months ranking a site for one of my customers. I have spent a lot of money as I do with a lot of my customers on services offered on this site. I managed to get them to the top for all of their keywords as they have asked for payment, but every month they have an excuse not to pay and I have let that go now for 6 months (they seemed so real and genuine), as they almost beg (just one more month poor me), now today I was contacted by another website company asking for the login for the site I built and ranked the site with my money and they are wanting to take over the site. They have said I have 14 days to give them the info of they take it to county court UK (small claims USA)

    The question is what do I do?

    If I have to pass over login how to I kill the rank on this site. I have map listings, google webmaster, bing tools, domain basically access to all of it.

    What can I do. they owe me 4K and I know I will never see any of that. just want to take it back to the beginning.

    Need help my brethren, thanks in advance
     
  2. Bread

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    You let money owed go 6 months whilst still working on the site? I hope you learn something from this.
     
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  3. kittykut

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    They are bluffing
    Keep it all to yourself and profit
    Highly doubt they would get anything in court and highly doubt they would actually take you to court if you guys live in different countries
     
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  4. snoopdogg1

    snoopdogg1 Junior Member

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    they played me.. I have never let anyone do this to me for this long..I was played!!! feel fucking stupid..
     
  5. kittykut

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    You could also try to sell it in flippa lol.
     
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    Did you have a contract in place? If so, invoke it.

    If not, remove all links you've built. Tell them, they can have the domain (if they have ownership for that) - but they'll not be getting any code or website material, since you own the copyrights for the same.

    Also, if you're willing call their bluff showing that you have proof of work and proof of conversation and that you'd be happy to let the court decide the matter. (This is very risky, if you're not in a position to follow through with it and don't have a contract in place.)
     
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  7. klique

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    I wouldn't pass over the login details.. but that's just me. You put in 6 months worth of work. Next time though, don't allow someone to get away with not paying upfront or atleast a down payment. There are professional finessers out there and I believe you met one of them.
     
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    What does your contract with these people state ?
    What were your terms for payment ?
    Are they a UK business?
    Are they a sole trader or have Ltd company liability?
    Are they solvent?
     
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    Oooo the old 14 day threat. Tell them to go and fuck. Tell them to take you to court. See how far that goes. You are dealing with gobshites, who think they are being smart.
     
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  10. snoopdogg1

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    they did pay first two payments. I just want to kill there SEO. fed up with the fight now
     
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    Just stay calm and keep the site for profit bro
     
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    If you have a written contract that outlined what you should have been paid I would say to them pay the balance outstanding and you can have the log in details. If not outline that you are still owed £4k and would require the payment in full to hand over log in details.

    Small claims court is usually for money, but if they want to sue for access you just counter they can have access when you have been paid for work done. Assuming you have proof of an agreement the court would side with you.
     
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    I don't understand how you fell for that shit, 2 months of non payment should have meant you stopped working.
    What are the terms of your contract?
    As for these other guys, just tell them as soon as you receive payment then you will hand over login details to the client.
    Actually, why are you pussying about, YOU should take the CLIENT to the small claims court.
     
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    As someone said above small claims is monetary, not a replacement for real lawsuits. So the only thing I could even see them trying what be claiming the first 2 payments as they did not receive the service blabla...
    Either way, you can just be there and state you did not get paid ongoing (assuming you have something in writing?) and they paid for the ongoing service, not for the properties you build.

    It is actually quite common to keep those. Should I client for example not have an AdWords account and just pay for monthly management (without a dedicated fee for account build, as then they would have paid for it and could probably claim access), the account just stays with the agency.

    Either way good luck and next time, payment reminder 1,2, then either collections or stop working and sell to competitor etc.
     
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    What do you mean another website company wants it? Do you mean someone is claiming a copyright or something like that? If it is then that's nothing that the small claims court will get involved with.
     
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    You have more power here than you think... Leverage it.

    You said the website is ranking... So are they making money from the site now?
     
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    you have for filled a service that they have not paid for, you should be sending them 14 day notices sir.

    i would not be giving over the site information untill payment is made in and i would state this in a 14 day notice, but yea if it something you can sell hell i would sell that on
     
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    If it were me I would gather ALL documentation, evidence, communications, list of work done etc.

    Then I would just say - pay the bill then you get the logins. Don’t like it, take me to court.
     
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    The most important questions here and ignored...
     
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    Proof of conversation should be greater than absence of the contract.
     
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