(Resolved) Dispute: @INCC vs @Srabon888

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  • Proof that the transaction began on BHW: Their service thread link
  • Proof the other party has been informed of this Dispute Resolution: BHW Convo
  • Proof of Contact: They have deleted support tickets on their website where I requested a refund and didn't even bother to respond to me. In the BHW convo, they asked me to proceed with this dispute.
  • Proof of Transaction: https://i.imgur.com/yAOjl3g.jpeg
  • Summary of Dispute: Bought 50 x Gmail accounts. These accounts have already been sold to someone, there is previous activity of registering different social media accounts and whatnot. As soon as I noticed this I requested a refund which has been denied ever since.
  • Evidence of the Issue: As you can see from the screenshot below then this is one of the accounts he sold to me. He has sold that account already to someone else before and he snatched it back shortly afterward. The Google account restore email is the first thing you can see, he changed the passwords and other details to resell it again later.

    Also, for further evidence, you can see that someone created a Facebook account ages ago, there are lots of such notification emails showing previous use. This already belongs to someone.
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  • What you hope to gain from this Dispute Resolution: A full refund. Not a refund or credit on his website to spend but a crypto refund in my wallet as I paid them.
  • (Optional) Additional Information: The seller insisted me that I follow through with this dispute because they claim their "rules are clear". What I want to say is that this is a terrible business model and they are ripping off their clients one by one. They sell emails to one of their clients, then change the passwords after a while and resell those emails to another client and so on and so forth. Obviously, I am not going to want to lose access to my emails later, nor I want to use emails that are already in use by someone else. These are hijacked emails, there is no other reason why the seller is claiming accounts back with the restore password function as you can see from the very first email of the screenshot above.
 
Dispute Request Approved
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Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Allow me to clarify the issues our client is experiencing. The client purchased Gmail accounts that were aged since 2020 and has already logged into these email addresses. While the Gmail accounts are functioning properly without any login issues, the client's complaint revolves around the fact that these accounts have been previously used.

Let me elaborate: The client purchased Gmail accounts that were created in 2020, making them approximately four years old. Given their age, these accounts have likely been used before. It's important to understand that without proper warm-up procedures, Gmail accounts may not remain viable in the long term. Our client insists on receiving fresh email addresses, but it's worth noting that it's virtually impossible to obtain Gmail addresses registered since 2020 that have not been utilized in some capacity.

I offered to provide fresh Gmail accounts that are newly created and between 15 to 30 days old, but the client declined this offer. It's crucial to recognize that any email address registered since 2020 is likely to have been used for at least one or two services to maintain its activity. the client suggests that we are reselling the same Gmail addresses, it's important to consider that upon purchasing from us, the client receives login credentials and recovery information, allowing them to change the details. Therefore, it would be illogical for us to resell the same accounts.

Upon reviewing the client's previous orders, everything appears to be in order. As a seller, I am here to support both parties involved. While the customer is typically seen as being in the right, it's important to acknowledge that sellers also have a standpoint. they purchased accounts from 2020 while living in 2024, and this should be taken into account when assessing their expectations. Additionally, we always advise clients to start with a small quantity of accounts to test their suitability for their projects before making bulk purchases.

I kindly request that our BHW administrator or moderator review this situation impartially. If they determine that the buyer is justified and I am mistaken, I am prepared to process the refund accordingly. Let's work together to resolve this issue amicably.
 
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Allow me to clarify the issues our client is experiencing. The client purchased Gmail accounts that were aged since 2020 and has already logged into these email addresses. While the Gmail accounts are functioning properly without any login issues, the client's complaint revolves around the fact that these accounts have been previously used.

Let me elaborate: The client purchased Gmail accounts that were created in 2020, making them approximately four years old. Given their age, these accounts have likely been used before. It's important to understand that without proper warm-up procedures, Gmail accounts may not remain viable in the long term. Our client insists on receiving fresh email addresses, but it's worth noting that it's virtually impossible to obtain Gmail addresses registered since 2020 that have not been utilized in some capacity.

I offered to provide fresh Gmail accounts that are newly created and between 15 to 30 days old, but the client declined this offer. It's crucial to recognize that any email address registered since 2020 is likely to have been used for at least one or two services to maintain its activity. the client suggests that we are reselling the same Gmail addresses, it's important to consider that upon purchasing from us, the client receives login credentials and recovery information, allowing them to change the details. Therefore, it would be illogical for us to resell the same accounts.

Upon reviewing the client's previous orders, everything appears to be in order. As a seller, I am here to support both parties involved. While the customer is typically seen as being in the right, it's important to acknowledge that sellers also have a standpoint. they purchased accounts from 2020 while living in 2024, and this should be taken into account when assessing their expectations. Additionally, we always advise clients to start with a small quantity of accounts to test their suitability for their projects before making bulk purchases.

I kindly request that our BHW administrator or moderator review this situation impartially. If they determine that the buyer is justified and I am mistaken, I am prepared to process the refund accordingly. Let's work together to resolve this issue amicably.
Thank you for the prompt response, @Srabon888.

Questions for @INCC:
  1. Just to confirm, is somebody still trying to access the Gmail accounts after you purchased them?
  2. Based on the screenshot, there's no recovery email or phone number. Did you change the passwords on the accounts after receiving them?
  3. How many of the other Gmail accounts show this kind of pattern?
Questions for @Srabon888:
  1. I want to understand your type of service more. Do you build these aged Gmail accounts yourself, or do you acquire them from elsewhere?
  2. When you maintain the activity of these accounts, are you using a different device, IP, or both?
 
Thank you for your inquiry. Yes, we create these aged Gmail accounts in-house. We do not acquire them from external sources; they are produced internally within our platform.

Regarding the client's purchase of 50 Gmail addresses and their subsequent logging into all of them, it's important to clarify our policy. Once the accounts are sold, we do not log into or monitor them. We completely delete the database after the sale. Therefore, any claims that we have restored and resold accounts are unfounded. Our clients are provided with login information, including email, password, and recovery details, which they can change. It would be impossible for us to restore these accounts once they have been altered by the client.

To the client: Could you please provide proof or screenshots of any suspicious login activity or issues you've encountered with logging in? This will help us address your concerns more effectively.

As for maintaining the activity of these accounts, it's challenging for us to use unique devices and IP addresses consistently due to the nature of our business. However, we understand the importance of account security and take necessary precautions to minimize risks.

To our client: Have you experienced any issues such as unauthorized login attempts, password changes, or logins from unfamiliar devices?

Regarding the refund, while our policy states that refunds are issued as store credit, we are willing to make an exception in this case and refund to your wallet address. However, we would like to remind you to familiarize yourself with our rules before making a purchase.


We aim to resolve this matter amicably and appreciate your cooperation in providing further details to address your concerns effectively.


Could you please provide your LTC wallet address so that I can process the refund?

Additionally, I'd like to emphasize that while clients are often considered to be in the right, it's important to recognize that sellers also have rights and perspectives that deserve acknowledgment. It's essential to have open and honest communication to ensure fairness for all parties involved
 
Questions for @INCC:
  1. Just to confirm, is somebody still trying to access the Gmail accounts after you purchased them?
  2. Based on the screenshot, there's no recovery email or phone number. Did you change the passwords on the accounts after receiving them?
  3. How many of the other Gmail accounts show this kind of pattern?

1. No I don't think anyone has tried to access them in the last 3-4 days as this is as long as I have had these accounts and it wouldn't be wise for them to access them now.

2. There are recovery emails attached to each of these accounts, I haven't changed anything. I logged in, saw what this was about, and requested a refund immediately.

3. I'd say at least half because it's a mix with accounts being used and accounts already being banned so I cannot verify the batch. It requires an additional investment from my end now because lots of these emails require SMS verifications or other security loops that I am not willing to proceed with so the sellers claim that "While the Gmail accounts are functioning properly without any login issues, the client's complaint revolves around the fact that these accounts have been previously used." is simply not true. It just adds to the list of reasons.

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I want to refute some claims the seller has made above and clarify the situation with additional points.

He knows pretty darn well what the issue is about and that this is doing monkey business. I repeat again, these are hijacked accounts and not created by this person.

Those accounts that are not dead yet and can be logged in host personal information like photos and passwords.

There are even payment options under these accounts. There is no chance that these are created by them.

A couple of screens (I hid the faces):

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These are registered with Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest, Whatsapp, Google reviews and so forth with lots of different sites that I really don't even know all and not going to dive deeper into either because I can see that these are being used and I think that is enough.

Whatever the seller says, the fact is, that his original sales offer doesn't say that he is selling accounts that are previously being used creating all sorts of different accounts. What if I buy these Gmails to create these accounts myself and now they are already being used for this?

And you offered me fresh accounts? I didn't pay for fresh accounts, I paid for aged accounts that cost much more than fresh accounts and your sales thread doesn't say anywhere that it's going to be a lottery delivery where I receive my order and then need to weed through them which can be used for my purpose and which not.

I raised an issue within your website helpdesk as soon as this happened and you immediately deleted the support ticket without even answering, you know what you are doing and the only reason why you are offering a refund now is because you got caught stealing these emails.

it's worth noting that it's virtually impossible to obtain Gmail addresses registered since 2020 that have not been utilized in some capacity.

Then you shouldn't be offering this service when it's impossible or at least let your customers know that these accounts have been used before for all sorts of activities and might not suit your customer. This is a bad business practice and you are deliberately misleading your clients.

I will send you my LTC wallet in private and will confirm here once the refund has been processed, but I also ask anyone else doing business with you to be careful as these are jacked accounts, and anyone who has been around IM for a while can see that.
 
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