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[Research Evidence] Penguin is BULSHIT!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by turbohacker, Sep 25, 2012.

  1. turbohacker

    turbohacker Regular Member

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    As you all already know, all of us IM's & SEO's are treading on egg shells when it comes to link building. I have been doing some work and competitor analysis for a client and found some things that have baffled me post penguin!

    My client is a solicitor and the keyword is compensation based, so you can imagine that the competition is fierce! Only 1000 exact matches per month for this particular keyword, but there are many variations all with 800-1000 exact. CPC (according to KW tool) is £30 per click.

    So, for this particular keyword, EMD.org.uk sits sitting at 5th with ZERO back links and the top 5 sites are pretty shit in terms of back link diversity and post penguin requirements, not to mention trying to achieve a "natural" looking back link profile.

    This one example humoured me a lot.

    99.71 % money keyword anchor text - 1 x keyword variation
    0.29 % Generic/Branding/Other anchor texts

    This is just the tip of the iceberg. Some of the back links are such shit quality its unreal. Check out the screenshots I added to see what I mean.

    Where the fuck is penguin? Surely with a back link profile like this, these websites should not be sitting on the top of Google.

    So, with this data available, I should be able to rank my client with minimal effort if I "play by the rules"... Right? We shall see...

    Thoughts?
     

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  2. beakon

    beakon Regular Member

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    I bet it wont be there on the next refresh...
     
  3. Kimi

    Kimi BANNED BANNED

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    "all of us" ?

    Some of us are also smart and experienced enough to not be fooled by Cutts and co. Watch your wording.
     
  4. midnight_focus

    midnight_focus Power Member

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    There are many factors contributing in ranking. Playing by the rules with this kind of competition will probably won't get you anywhere.
    If for a certain keyword, Google finds that most of the sites having Backlink profiles with specific keyword, Google Algorithm will see this as the natural pattern.
    What I do when trying to rank for a keyword is deeply analyze the backlink profile for the first 10 pages and mimic their strategy.
    Don't be the odd one. "The odd one out" is a simple strategy that is followed by Google Algorithm.
     
  5. mtlcanuck

    mtlcanuck Newbie

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    I agree with Beakon. Most of my new sites were also on the first page for a couple of weeks prior to the last refresh. Then, one day, I couldn't find them. The only thing I could find was twitter accounts of those sites on the 3rd or 4th page. Good luck...
     
  6. turbohacker

    turbohacker Regular Member

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    This wasn't a generalization, I was just saying.

    Just trying to create an interesting discussion
     
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  7. facebookgenius

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    well OP, what i have thoughts about penguin is that its really not understandable, i have seen so many very good sites dropping in SERPs and some shitty once ranking 1-2, its really confusing to have a clear blueprint of how penguin is working :p
     
  8. MatthewWoodward

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    Your whole post falls apart on this one point.

    You have found one example of a site that has escaped so far - but that is all it is, one example. It certainly doesn't represent anything close to a conclusion.

    It doesn't prove anything one way or the other, strange things happen in the SERPs all the time and one example doesn't provide correlation. In fact looking at one example like this under the micro scope is only going to add to the mass hysteria and confusion that most SEO's go through - Matt Cutts is a master of it.

    /Nod
     
  9. agente808

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    Another problem with micro analysis of backlinks post-penguin, is that since the shutdown of the Yahoo Backlinks tool, there are NO tools that give very good/thorough backlink profiles (and even Yahoo wasn't perfect).
    (I know that some tools are improving, but none of them are there yet)

    So, you are drawing conclusions and making decisions based on a random sampling of what is most likely less than 10% of the ACTUAL backlinks.

    The backlink profile may look skewed / empty to you, but remember, you are not seeing anything even remotely similar to what Google sees. Most likely, if you could see Google's view of the backlink profiles, things would make a lot of sense ;)
     
  10. panda23

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    If what you are saying is true, then most of the SEOs provided by so-called Penguin update experts need to change their plan then.
     
  11. sidnettwo

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    That may only be one example, but I have found other sites with 100% exact match anchor links that are ranking #1 for their keyword.
     
  12. SmartMan

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    If penguin is BULLSHIT, then panda is HORSESHIT! Am I right?

    There are millions of websites out there in WWW. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this research but doing research on a single website alone for a particular keyword is not enough to conclude the penguin algorithm. I've already quantified the observations done on 500+ sites and found that you've to have less than 30% of your total backlinks pointing to your homepage and the remaining 70% should be spread across all your sub-pages with varied anchor texts. A page with couple of pictures and bulletin points ranks a whole lot better than the page with big ass unique content written in a single paragraph.
     
  13. miren6

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    I have one site EMD.org that has zero backlinks and it's #1 and other sites with more then 300 BL are #2-10 :)
     
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  14. Adam718

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    Some website do slip through the cracks. These algo's aren't perfect, but why take a chance?
     
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    I think penguin still is on the lose... I hear penguin still strikes websites. Maybe it hasn't come around to your niche yet?
     
  16. Windmill

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    You also have to keep in mind, that there will be blips. There are over 100 ranking factors the algorithm uses that we don't know about. My guess with the EMD is that as someone said, it will likely be penalised in the next refresh. Whenever a major update happens, the Viagra searches generally suck. They get fixed over time.
     
  17. Philippines

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    You could always try to negative SEO, but be careful because it may strengthen your competitors short term