REPUTATION *F@%K THAT!* This is Business!

I thought I'd try to add a little value to this by giving away a methodology.

Not a "method" as in: a specific thing that I do. But a methodology, a way of doing certain things.

It's easy.

I use this to consistently earn fun money ($1k a month or so). Your mileage may vary.

Everyone knows someone who is in a position of authority. A manager, a teacher, a business owner, a musician that others respect. Someone.

One of my contacts is an executive trainer. She trains shy executives how to use "basic" office equipment and software "on the sly" so that they don't have to admit that they don't know how, to help their careers, to just keep up etc.

She has their attention because they pay her for her service.

I realized that she needed a place to get copies of certain software, for home use, cheaper than she could buy them at Best Buy etc. so I found an affiliate program (I won't say which, but you can probably guess) that pays me a commission (not much, but it doesn't really matter) and I threw together a "ToDo List" for her clients of software to order.

Click, click, click, just check all the boxes on the page (I made her a control panel to push a php page custom made for each client).

Zip right over to the shopping cart, punch in your platinum card number and when she arrives for the first lesson, the client has all the software and supplies (think outside the box! ergo keyboards, thumb drives, etc. etc.) on hand, shiny and new and wrapped, and ready to be installed, letting the lessons begin.

My friend gets an easy, online list of stuff that is TECHNICAL which makes her look like an expert, very well prepared and keeps her from having to drag her ass around town buying all this stuff and trying to deal with marking it up. (I also threw her a % of total sales on a 1099 at the end of the year.)

Her customers get to feel like they've learned something cool (how to shop online) and they know they're getting everything they need because everything they bought was auto-popped into an email and into a little web page (just for them) with links to owners manuals, online drivers etc which, for a small monthly fee, I gladly host on my server.

There's more, but I think you get the idea. You don't actually have to get the customers yourself, and they don't even have to be computer literate if you'll just think outside the box a bit.

Got a friend who's an authority figure?

Good. Go make some money.

Now this thread is productive.

/pat self on the back.

All of us promoting the same product from the SAME account? I'm sorry but that just sounds ridiculous.

And you don't have to be a "Pro Marketer" to get a good rep, just have insightful, useful posts, the admin(s) don't determine what makes a post rep worthy, WE do, so when you say it leaves the noob out I disagree with you.

What Rep does help you is distinguish between the good members, and just an average visitor, and that's the whole point of having a rep (reputation). Being KNOWN for something.

And selling products here? What the hell? This isn't an online marketplace, we're here to help each other and learn

Oh yeah, and the way you post you make it seems like the forum OWES you a living, that's not the case, a forum is created by it's users, it's not vice-versa.

Nice post Scuba. +Rep given. Oops

Luther13z said:

And Sine
What can I say, you are the fucking light at the end of my tunnel.

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Thanks! Too bad I can't +rep you; system rules won't allow it just now.

In any case, thanks for your great work.

Best,
Sine

Oh no! another post by Ray worth a +Rep! Guess my foot slipped ...

Well, I don't like this rep-stuff. I couldn't download what I wanted!!

Awww. Can't download pirated materials? boohoo.. just pay $25.00 then. I don't have access to downloads, and I'm not complaining.

Ray, you got that right, on both posts. The info, in a lot of cases, has made me re draft my plan of action, even some of the older stuff. The programs will make life easier when I can have access, no doubts there.

Ebooks $0.00 - Programs $0.00 - Useful and insightful information PRICELESS

Yeah, well downloading ain't what it's cracked up to be as I found that three of the recent "shares" were infected with really hideous shit, so watch out!

This is crying ridiculous, I suggested in one other thread and even started my own about the download situation. Reputation is only abused for personal egos anyway whether we accept it or not. I can?t nor expect in a hurry time to magically receive 21 reputation points. Downloads don?t equivalent quality and why should you devalue yourself? I think the administrators have and always will continue to do a great job to the forum, and I think some of them get too many pressure to the point of breakdown (maybe I?m exaggerating there). I will always agree that everything seems fine, at least from the window I am looking out of, I can read post, and respond, and if I wish to download something, I can go to warez sites, what else is there to know or appreciate? You will eventually get sick of downloads whether you like it or not and rub your tummy looking for the next ?unique? place on the bus stop, so don?t take what is trying to happen for granted, appreciate it and love it. We all know there is no other place this unique and rich, because the other rest are full of over-ego?d clowns with senseless laughter to comfort their hate, we are not like them, so why should we devalue the environment with negative attributes? Suck-up and pay the money, are take not for granted and start to learn, but complaining is the last thing some members are entitled to do. Eventually you will have no choice but to put up or shut up, like in the movies, the little spoiled princess always turns out friends with the geeky girls.

Sincerely Yours,
Markus

I really have to look deeper into BHW.
I didn't even know you could pay $25 to get access to the downloads.
I had figured its simply a rep thing, and because im an idiot and will struggle to offer to the members i had resided to the fact downloads are not available to me.
Must admit though it didn't stop me. There was just so much to learn anyways.
I had often thought of donating to BHW simply because of the obvious hard work that goes into keeping it alive. I will be donating my $25 no question. Do it with a smile actually. Never know one day i might even make my investment back..
Upto a mighty $1.70 on adsence hehehe how pathetic.

Hi guys
This has really got my attention.
1. For Mods - Luthar13z & Dave -
I am also very new to the forum as well as Internet Marketing. In last few weeks,I got sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much things from this forum that it is unbelievable for a guy like me. I am just talking about the FREE sections which you can access - without paying or without reps.
This is the same info that I would have paid literally thousands of rupees/dollars. And actually I have paid to many IM gurus large amounts.
So in a way you guys & this forum have saved me huge money.
Maybe I am the one who feel different. But I have seen others posts in this thread & I find that most of the people are feeling the same way. And for that I am very thankful to the people who started & are running this forum. THANKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Now this is leading me to my this question -
If there is so much in the FREE section, then what could be there in the Paid section? so my question to you Mods & others is -
Is it really worth paying the $25 for the restricted section? ANd woulod that give me access to ALL the restricted area or there is some other levels also?
Because after reading this thread I just reached the Donate section & am about to pay. SO advice me accordingly.

2. For KASE -
As I mentioned above, I am also a newbie to internet & the forum. So i think I am not qualified to comment on the issue. Maybe you will find my post 'out of the track'.
But one thing is for sure. To get the same things you will pay huge money to others. Then why not here? ANd if it's not possible then isn't it worth to go by the rules of earning reps?
Don't think that i am trying to suggest something. But this is what I feel & As a newibie stating my opinion.

Sellwell, I am in a similar situation to you, except I have been marketing a little longer. I was always getting told by people in other forums and programs, 'Don't go blackhat, or you will be finished'.

As an inexperienced marketer, I thought they would know what they were talking about, but having found BHW I can see now that their arguments were invalid. In fact I would wager some of them come here anyway to improve their markeing techniques.

Sure, there is some kinds of marketing being discussed here which at the moment I daren't touch, but in many cases the advice and help given here is far superior to those whitehat forums and programs, and a lot of the techniques take whitehat practices just that stage further.

At the moment I have nothing worth sharing download style, but am I crying because I cant access some downloads. Far from it, I have already gained a great deal of knowledge here and will in the fullness of time, i.e. when I have made some money, donate the $25.

I don't expect to make money from this forum, I expect to make money because of it.

Mark_Rain said:

I can?t nor expect in a hurry time to magically receive 21 reputation points.

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Mark, think of it as a learning lesson, it takes patience to get things going properly, and having to build up 21 rep points takes time. It seems that a lot of people want everything spoon fed to them, or given on a platinum platter, which is fully, and wholly, absurd, to put it nicely.

There is so much that you can get without the 21 rep points that it is a half step from being insane. Too bad people want it all, and want it NOW! with little or no effort being made.

Caretaker you are so right, if I wanted reputation ?fast?, I could go on some warez site and mass feed this forum with it, I wont devalue myself though and do so, it would simply be spoiling myself of the pleasure of ?earning? something, something some people cannot do the real way! Here is it, I will feed myself with the best piece of BHW?s pie (knowledge), then I will earn enough money to become a donator and laugh in the face of the people who are crying because they cant get downloads, and no I wouldn?t do it for downloads (downloads are worthless), I would do it for the sheer fact of proving my point!

?There is so much that you can get without the 21 rep points?, exactly what I am talking about, this is stressed already over and over though, for somebody new to this kind of forum, it isn?t disappointing or shocking for them to think because they have access to so much downloads they will make ?more? or ?faster? cash. I am member on other forums where sharing files is the usual, so it?s not appealing to me. I may be mistaken of the ?point?, I see I?m referring to downloads with this rep plead, if not the reason to download then let me know.

I will earn reputation points from reputable members if I share reputation worth stuff, end of story! If you are not getting the desired amount of reputation, you need to work harder if you really want it (I am not fond of ?reputation?). The author of this thread feels as though he was cheated aye? Well don?t know why, but reputation is really a mental boundary keeping people from working or rather downloads?

I have read a lot of threads and even to the point where members said they were not sharing their ?valuable? stuff because it would be under-estimated and they wouldn?t get reputations or thank-you?d. If everybody does that then how in hell would the forum go along? Money is the goal here, it controls the way of life, we are here for money, don?t let reputation be the money of BlackHatWorld, reputation is in no way worth money, we are here for cash, not reputation, here to escape and gather up on cash, not here to create the same stingy effect of what money has on the world, rather to secure ourselves financially, to escape the world?s boundaries and work together, not create boundaries and work against each other!

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Sincerely Yours,
Markus

sellwell said:

Is it really worth paying the $25 for the restricted section? ANd woulod that give me access to ALL the restricted area or there is some other levels also?

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The 25$ fee will give you the status of donator, and your posts will be immediately approved , as well as you will get access to the download section.

There are also other "secret" areas of the forum, junior vip, senior vip-highly restrictive-, and even password protected threads (recently) that are visible to certain members.

So enjoy your time here, BHW is full of surprises, and we do appreciate people who contribute to this. Make sure you get part of the community, and you help as much as you can, and your effort would not be overlooked.

Oh goodie nick flame, you have pressed my buttons! Such awesome gold hidden within these rich walls (?), I will definitely make it worth it here! I think it is well organized, I will earn where I can!

Sincerely Yours,
Markus

The immediate approval process is worth the $25 alone!

I was in the habbit of uploading everything I share to rapidshare so everyone could get it. Someone mentiond that was against the policy of the +reps system on the forum. After reading that, nicks post and some others on this thread I now view it different. I know the rep system motivated me to read more and learn more and as I did I was rewarded with my shares and comments, as all BHW members will be. And yes there is a lot of valuable information to absorb without having the downlaods. And I further agree, I have so much downloads I will never use em all and am just slowing down my computer by using up all the storage. It is very easy to get caught up reading and looking for downloads instead of working our businesses. We forget the most important role of BHW. Which is to help us with our online money making ventures. So the Rep system is there to encourage us to read and learn and also to protect us. People have came here and taken the downloads and sold them on other forums and the methods become overused and less effective.

I always kind of knew knowledge was more powerful than a material whether it be in any case, they had to know how to create that thing, why should I settle for one thing, when I can invest into the knowledge on how to make all I want? Justmeron I understand what you are saying, and I must agree! You have made a wise and profitable decision, your shares are discussion magnets so it doesn't count as warez, I can say so myself!

I think this forum is a treasure trove, and I hate to see members slaying the throats of others, but that's the reality we live in, its best you learn, and grow! No time to waste with ignorance.

The moderators/administrators are some fast ducks, the reply and help me with any situation and are VERY co-operative and informative, that's why I love this forum with a passion, and I am willing to exchange knowledge and help to any I can.

This thread turned from something negative to something of positive, agreement and respect! I love what I am learning and seeing, it is really marvelous and fascinating; I hope we can continue to build a strong foundation and be the most envied marketing forum on the web (that's how I got here).

Cheers and power to the masses,

Sincerely Yours,
Markus