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Regarding Best White Hat Practices

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by ipopbb, Oct 1, 2010.

  1. ipopbb

    ipopbb Power Member

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    There have been a lot of generic post asking what are the best practices. The truth is that so much has changed recently that your guess is as good as mine. (Well, unless you know how good my guesses are. ;) )

    I haven't posted in a while and it is time I earned my keep around here and at least cough up that nut and provide some killer data.

    Couple notes on my data... The recommendations are not gospel... just output of coded representations of my own opinions. Don't ask me how I determine Google Blessed sites. I'm not ready to share that so I wont. Some of the recommendations can get you in trouble with google if you are not an expert at SEO and flying under their radar.

    I post these examples so you can learn from the tools I build and use for myself and my clients.

    My best advice is always be aware of and respect how much you don't know and be glad when you are proven wrong because that means progress has been made.

    There are only 2 kinds of SEO people... Those who continuously educate themselves with research and posers. If I stop experimenting then I stop learning. If google changes like it did with Caffeine and Instant, then all SEO folk are reduced to 0 wisdom again and have to retest all their past assumptions. If I take a break for a few months then I know nothing when I come back.

    • Rehashing old knowledge is a crime! (That is, without verifying that it is still relevant and true first.)
    • SEO is not a faith based religion. Belief by the masses doesn't make it true.
    • Only believe in what you can prove for yourself.
    • Blindly follow SEO advice at your own peril.
    1. Four Pillars/5 Factors Analysis of the Niche
    2. Content Creation and Tuning
    3. Link Building

    In that order. Success also requires knowing how, where, and when to cope with Caffeine and Instant, but even I am still working on those answers. Please share ideas if you have them.

    Here is another example:

     
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    chockomonkey Regular Member

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    haha just today i was thinking, man it's been awhile since I've seen a thread created by ipopbb...

    I don't have time to go over all this now, but now i got it subscribed so i can absorb it all later.

    So thanks! ...even though you did just call me a poser :cool:
     
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    that's a good post
     
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    Its a temporary status we all hold when we take a break from staying current. I'm one too for at least 3 months of the year. ;)
     
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  5. ipopbb

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    Thanks! I was expecting more controversy and excitement. I guess that's what I deserve for waiting so long between threads. ;) Seems like there is an ocean of new folk here too... I used to be able to follow most of the white hat threads... too much churn now.

    If you haven't seen my other threads, then you might want to play a little catch up. They are out dated now, so don't trust them anymore for factual relevance. But its a good (50%) primer on my methods and theories and thinking.

    Ted
     
  6. deki33

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    :biggthump Man I love your tool !

    I have your profile page on this forum in my bookmarks and check it for new posts every few days :)
    But it looks like others more search for "push the button and make me rich" software from download section ;)


    After quick looks on this, I don't understand what is new here ?
    Still we need as many as possible backlinks,PR,indexed pages,matches in domain,url,title etc...

    Matches of keyword are very very different and it confuse me.
    21 ; 14 ; 11 ; 3 ; 16 ... then 127

    How would you optimize keyword density for you site if you have so different results ?
    Would you use average value and then just make it a little bit more, or take the highest one and then make more then that ?
    Can you explain more about that please.
     
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    ^^ i'm pretty sure the easiest answer to that question is that the correct density varies a lot from one niche to another, and to simply look at the competition for your keywords and see what keyword density they're obviously having success with.
     
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    Subscribing to this for later.
     
  9. deki33

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    Yes, but look this example on this page.
    This is one niche, so KD is different from position 1 to 10.
    I asked OP, does he sum all KDs and make average or use look on 1st and make higher...or...
     
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    yes i see what you mean now... the data takes a little while to get used to looking at, but now i got it.

    imo this kinda implies that keyword density is less important than other ranking factors, but we kinda already knew that... hell who am i kidding... hey ipopbb, tell us what to think :cool:
     
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    It is too hard to manage density at higher numbers of pages and keywords... Compete first in number of matches in the HTML source. If you are competitive in number of matches then density wont matter so much anyway. At least thats what the 1 page SERPs are showing me these days anyway.

    If the sites on page one have hundreds of matches per page and you have 32 matches on your page then you kind of know what you need to do. ;)


     
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    Let's ask on this way:

    you want to optimize your site for first page and you see that matches are:

    21
    14
    11
    16
    127
    ....

    What are you going to do with your site ?
    128 matches or around 16 ?
     
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    Man if I were to fret about all of this data and scientifically tune my websites then I would have no time to take massive action and build lots of sites.

    My business is much more of a numbers game. The more I get done, the more I succeed.

    These tables, of course, are valuable if you´re targetting a very competitive niche.
     
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    Thats because I asked ipopbb and not you :rolleyes:
     
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    I'm going to try to learn something from this thread but I fear that may not happen!

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    Its a matter of scale. I don't shoot for #1 on page one... I want 5-10 page one links for at least 40,000 of my estimated 250K target keywords this holiday season. Working harder, not smarter, isn't an option for me. Same goes for others who are invested in inventory and other things where they need to make those investments liquid again and hopefully with a decent return.

    You are right though, if you can reduce the equation to effort = success and you have the right attitude then you've already won! ;)
     
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    Is it what I asked few times on this thread so stupid question or so big secret ?
     
  19. ipopbb

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    neither... I don't understand what you are asking.


    I look at the patterns of what google considers a match for the given search term and then count the matches in the source. All the matches are applicable for ranking. I use min. avg, and max in the recommendations.

    The 3 summaries estimate absolute minimum (least likely), avg (likely) , and optimal (most likely) effort levels to get to page one

    perhaps you can ask you question in a different way?

    thanks,

    Ted
     
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    I think what he is asking is:
    you get the keyword density of every site in the top 10, how do you measure which keyword density is the right one to optimize your page for?
    Do you have a formula like taking the average of the top 10 densities, a weighted average(first 1-4 weighted), do you just look at the data and have a gut feeling...? Do you prefer the top 5 more then the rest? Or how do you find out which density is the "right one" for a given niche? Like look at the backlinks, and if 2 searches match in backlinks but one is ranking higher then the other, take that density...? yea, I am making it really complicated right now :D (but I hope there is an easy answer to the question)

    I am wondering too, because I think google sandboxed me for having 11% keyword density (main page was just showing first paragraphs of my articles, which all were optimized for my target keyword, and while the keyword density was ok for each given article, the sum of the paragraphs on the frontpage was overkill and I didn't figure I have to check that too. :( I am still indexed(site:) but my site was on 143 on a not very competitive keyword phrase, now its not in the index for the given keyword phrase (I searched trhough all pages...). Speaking of that, did you ever get sandboxed for a too high keyword density?
     
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