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Redirects and Ranking

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by onehotbish, Nov 16, 2013.

  1. onehotbish

    onehotbish Newbie

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    I'm in real estate and I'm setting up another site through a company called Website Box.
    It doesnt say on their site how they handle someone using their own domain so I'm wondering how google looks at domain redirects. Say I have to redirect my domain to their url.

    Doesnt that throw everything out of whack?
     
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    ignore this post - see below

    still, i think the op has a website and needs to send the traffic to a newer website, without totally tanking the first website, i thought this is what a 302 redirect is for, a temporary redirect for traffic.
     
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  3. the_demon

    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    @thedorf's advice is VERY inaccurate. For your own good, please ignore what he said. To understand why he is wrong, please reference: http://moz.com/learn/seo/redirection additionally this article talks about the issue a bit more in depth on specific reasoning and logic http://www.hochmanconsultants.com/articles/301-versus-302.shtml

    @thedorf @your post revisions: No, if you read the articles in this post you'll understand why you should not do that. Unless the @OP only wants to redirect traffic for a couple days he/she should be using a 301 if it's just a couple days for some quick fix, then yes you could get away with a 302, but it's not recommended. For more specifics, see paragraph below:

    For extended website maintenance that may effect your primary domain: A 302 would be appropriate here if you're going to be making significant changes to the website's frontend/backend and don't want users to experience a down/broken website. Then what you would need to do is a conditional redirect via .htaccess. This would involve 302ing all traffic EXCEPT for the web developer or other users who need to see the active work in progress (ideally by IP Address exemptions) SEE EXAMPLE HERE ( http://stackoverflow.com/questions/293285/want-to-redirect-all-visitors-except-for-me ). Following the website updates completion you should revoke the redirect and fix any temporary changes you made to the .htaccess settings. It is possible that your website may suffer ranking wise during this process as 302 doesn't pass link juice and you don't want to 301 and then change back as that would come off as suspicious and could potentially cause Google to red flag your site. If your rankings are hurt, they should (ideally) rebound once you return your website back to normal. However, if you made significant changes to your domain then rankings may move up or down depending on whether or not Google likes these changes. But you'll likely bounce around for a couple days while Google reprocesses your site and then movement should settle down. If you did wide spread changes you'll likely notice a spike in your Crawl rate as Google wants to see the extent of your changes.

    @OP: We really need more information on your situation to give you a valid answer, but I've addressed the most common scenarios anyways.

    1. Are you setting up 2 separate websites?

    a) Primary Domain
    b) Secondary domain --> 3rd party website service (if Yes, please see points #4 & #5)

    2. If not option #1 above then are you trying to redirect a penalized domain to your new domain?
    a) If for churn & burn use a 301
    b) If for a long term site you should not redirect at all

    3. IDK what the guy above me is talking about in general for passing on Link Juice you would pretty much never want to use a 302 redirect.

    4. If you are asking if you move your current domain and redirect to the new host, then you should be using a 301. Doing such will make Domain A no longer rank, but after a while the new domain should inherent most of the link juice, but you may suffer temporarily. A good way to avoid this dip is to in Google Webmaster Tools setup that you are moving domains verify existing domain and delegate the new domain. This will help let Google know you are moving. If domain A is penalized you should definitely NOT use this feature/option.

    Domain A --> Redirect --> New Domain

    5. Talk to the vendors customer support people. In general most subdomain.wordpress.com or similar style web hosting setups allow you to use your own domain name and that is done through a special DNS configuration. Which they should be able to give you some simple directions on how to do it (if they do support it). If they do not support this feature use a 301 redirect. BUT please note that the www.example.com will not show up in the search engine pages but: yoursites-subdomain.example.com will show up.

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    Sources & References:
    Google on 301 redirects (with video) | Matt Cutts also talks about 302 redirects and there uses here in the video: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/93633?hl=en
    About 302 vs 301 redirects: http://www.seomatrix.com/articles/301-redirects.php
     
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    That's fair enough as I have not read the articles yet, but I am doing redirects so I'll read them shortly. For a 301 is the recommended way to accomplish this via .htaccess? Maybe that's in the articles too, I'll go have a read.
     
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    the_demon. Thanks for your informative post. I'm completely lost re redirects etc. Most of my compotition uses a mixture of 301s and 302s. Is this to keep google on its toes or do you think the 302s are genuinely only temps? I have some sites which dont rank that I want to use for redirects but im at a deadend re what to do. Should I use 301s if im planning to keep them or put some as 302s?
     
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    Hi, I've had many people ask me questions related to 301s and 302s so I finally sat down and wrote an article on the subject, I would highly recommend you give it a read if you're confused about redirects, my article should tell you most of what you need to know: http://www.verdadmedia.com/articles/301-vs-302-redirect
     
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    the_demon, I agree with you about the 302, however, I am still not convinced about the 301 / 404 association.

    I watched the video minute 22 - minute 24. He does state the links do not pass when the algo determines a 301 to be a soft 404. This may or may not be true, no matter the impression of the presenter. [edit: This is in addition to the fact the search engine must FIRST determine a 301 to be a soft 404. How much time does that give us?]

    He also states there is NO penalty on this matter, the link is just discarded as a soft 404. At most no foul, no harm.

    Everyone should do there own testing if they want to know does it work. Just saying.

    Respect from a Raccoon to all of you, especially you the_demon ~
     
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