"Real" Active Engagement Views?

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anthony1999

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I browsed a few SMM Panels that sell "real" active engagement views. They claim that real users are browsing the platform and viewing my video. Guess what? After testing 5 different panels with identical descriptions and on 5 different videos over the course of this week, NONE of them are "real" views.

Yes I got engagements such as likes/dislikes/shares/subs but I noticed at least 2 of my videos views DROPPED. So how are they from "real people" if those views dropped? Are they really "REAL" as what the services describe? I'm 100% sure if a real human watched that video, the views would not drop. Or are they trying to lie to us customers? I'm not gonna say which SMM Panels they are but I'm sure you active buyers should know this. I also dunno why there wasn't a thread discussing this either.
 
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remember that real active views or RAV , even though they dont talk about how it works, is most likely a botnet.

it is a large number of infected computers of real people playing youtube videos.
the hacker/smm panel owners sends "play video url" command via their botnet dasboard, this command can be sent to for example 10,000 infected computers , depending on how many they own.

then u will get 10,000 views very quickly.

but remember that the way this works is, there is a hidden/non rendered browser window etc, playing your video in the background on the victims pc along with muted audio.
the victims of these computers dont even know that the video is playing.

behind big smm panels who deliver such views are usually botnets. so when the victim does not even know that a video is being played in background, how will they engage?

the only reason they say these views might give possible engagments is coz sometimes when your video might get suggested, you get engagments from the real users coming from suggested traffic on youtube, if they are interested in your video.
its not the RAV views/botnet users that are engaging. there is no way , becoz they dont even know that a video is being played in the background on their pc .
 
since i see there is some misinformation here, i want to make it clear @speedyallan77 RAV (the original) are based on ADS, mostly popads, popunder, zero-click ads, left behind, domain parking and native.
that traffic has it own reputation and it NEVER DROP! (since JUNE 2019 the date of the launch of that service on BHW)

the traffic @anthony1999 is talking about may related to other methods of delivery, might be bots, or whatever @speedyallan77 mentioned, but that is not the original RAV views.

for @anthony1999 i suggest that you contact the SMM panels that send you that traffic, ask them to fix the description, if they don't then you can open a shitlist thread aginst them!
 
I guess you tested a service from the same provider. I tried RAV before and it was all good.
 
Cyberars said:
since i see there is some misinformation here, i want to make it clear @speedyallan77 RAV (the original) are based on ADS, mostly popads, popunder, zero-click ads, left behind, domain parking and native.
that traffic has it own reputation and it NEVER DROP! (since JUNE 2019 the date of the launch of that service on BHW)

the traffic @anthony1999 is talking about may related to other methods of delivery, might be bots, or whatever @speedyallan77 mentioned, but that is not the original RAV views.

for @anthony1999 i suggest that you contact the SMM panels that send you that traffic, ask them to fix the description, if they don't then you can open a shitlist thread aginst them!
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Hmm. So it looks real then. I'll ask the SMM providers to fix their description. I don't understand why most panels use the exact same description.

RoyalCobra777 said:
I guess you tested a service from the same provider. I tried RAV before and it was all good.
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Really? What's so good about them? Do they even boost your ranking on Search/Recommendations?
 
anthony1999 said:
Hmm. So it looks real then. I'll ask the SMM providers to fix their description. I don't understand why most panels use the exact same description.



Really? What's so good about them? Do they even boost your ranking on Search/Recommendations?
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Nope, but The retention was quite decent and i had real engagement.
 
you are using shitty panels that are lying about having RAV views.
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Can someone tell me for example what the differences in these are? I mean I read the description and all but still.

So for example from instant fans:

youtube views
youtube views organic
youtube views from ads
youtube discovery ads
youtube RAV views
youtube RAV views (GS?!)
 
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Cyberars said:
since i see there is some misinformation here, i want to make it clear @speedyallan77 RAV (the original) are based on ADS, mostly popads, popunder, zero-click ads, left behind, domain parking and native.
that traffic has it own reputation and it NEVER DROP! (since JUNE 2019 the date of the launch of that service on BHW)

the traffic @anthony1999 is talking about may related to other methods of delivery, might be bots, or whatever @speedyallan77 mentioned, but that is not the original RAV views.

for @anthony1999 i suggest that you contact the SMM panels that send you that traffic, ask them to fix the description, if they don't then you can open a shitlist thread aginst them!
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i wanted to continue rav for testing but i felt like the retention times is bad,
that's why i tested it just once and left.
coz of retention time is bad then the videos suffer right?

the fact that these views count on studio are good. but i think the retention is the problem
 
RoyalCobra777 said:
Nope, but The retention was quite decent and i had real engagement.
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Hmm, idk if this is worth it then. It seems like another same-old-same-old service that does nothing else on YT's algorithm than increase view counts.
 
RAV views aren't gonna generate impressions/click-throughs. However, their views can (to a less extent) drive some organic traffic. I generally do not recommend that though for channel growth unless a video has high potential. If your video doesn't have a naturally high CTR, don't bother with this.
 
jasondenzer said:
RAV views aren't gonna generate impressions/click-throughs. However, their views can (to a less extent) drive some organic traffic. I generally do not recommend that though for channel growth unless a video has high potential. If your video doesn't have a naturally high CTR, don't bother with this.
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botted views themselves can.
but why i suspect rav views not generating that is simply because the views are low retention.

that too they are real human views. unique pc and ip address.

any views coming from such source can push ur video to suggested I've tested myself. but sadly rav i think is low retention.
people who are not even interested to watch our vids
 
speedyallan77 said:
botted views themselves can.
but why i suspect rav views not generating that is simply because the views are low retention.

that too they are real human views. unique pc and ip address.

any views coming from such source can push ur video to suggested I've tested myself. but sadly rav i think is low retention.
people who are not even interested to watch our vids
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Which traffic sources did your RAV views come from? For me it's "other Youtube features" and "external", both of which do not generate impressions. I looked at my other videos that had organic views come from those sources. None of them generate impressions.
 
Been browsing through this thread, i did got some insights that are new to me and i think - would be helpful.

Just a question, whats the best way to increase traffic in YT well apart from content/title/tags. TIA
 
jasondenzer said:
Which traffic sources did your RAV views come from? For me it's "other Youtube features" and "external", both of which do not generate impressions. I looked at my other videos that had organic views come from those sources. None of them generate impressions.
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simply getting views will not generate impressions.

it depends on 2 things.

1. ur botted views/smm views etc should be high retention firstly.
2. your content thumbnail, title and content must be decent.

the high retention fake botted views/SMM views will trick algo and generate some initial impression in small increments.

from these small initial increments, a small amount of suggested audience from youtube will arrive on your stream/video.

if the response of these suggested audience on your video is good, like if they watch with decent retention or along with things like engagements, algo will see this as a positive signal, when that happens algo will recalculate and increase the suggestion rate, then u start to get impressions in bigger increments and probs explode. thats how it works.

if this real audience who arrive in small increments from suggested traffic on youtube,does not respond well to your video, then ur video isnt interesting and will die. youtube wont suggest it more.
this is what happens in most cases. people assume their vid is interesting, but it aint, to the general audience.

so no matter what trick u use, u cant fool yt really much unless ur content is decent.

botted views,smm views,rav views or anything that counts on ur video views will always trick algo to giving some small initial impressions.
but unless ur content is good, this is useless.


again botted views can give high retention. although rav views do give views that count on analytics, im afraid they are low retention. so i dont think it will be good to generate inital impressions
 
speedyallan77 said:
simply getting views will not generate impressions.

it depends on 2 things.

1. ur botted views/smm views etc should be high retention firstly.
2. your content thumbnail, title and content must be decent.

the high retention fake botted views/SMM views will trick algo and generate some initial impression in small increments.

from these small initial increments, a small amount of suggested audience from youtube will arrive on your stream/video.

if the response of these suggested audience on your video is good, like if they watch with decent retention or along with things like engagements, algo will see this as a positive signal, when that happens algo will recalculate and increase the suggestion rate, then u start to get impressions in bigger increments and probs explode. thats how it works.

if this real audience who arrive in small increments from suggested traffic on youtube,does not respond well to your video, then ur video isnt interesting and will die. youtube wont suggest it more.
this is what happens in most cases. people assume their vid is interesting, but it aint, to the general audience.

so no matter what trick u use, u cant fool yt really much unless ur content is decent.

botted views,smm views,rav views or anything that counts on ur video views will always trick algo to giving some small initial impressions.
but unless ur content is good, this is useless.


again botted views can give high retention. although rav views do give views that count on analytics, im afraid they are low retention. so i dont think it will be good to generate inital impressions
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I completely agree with this, as im seeing the exact results on one of my channels
 
So what's the solution now to rank our CPA Videos ? Specially on BH Niches ?
 
what does RAV stand for?

Is it the same thing as high retention views?

I see a lot of smm panels with RAV views but they say its random retention.

when buying from smm panel do i want rav views or hr views?

also, why do smm panels say something like
100% real users.
but then offer a drop gaurantee? Why would views drop if they are real users.

Whats the difference when a SMM panel says the views are monetizeable vs they are not? :S

whoever can answer these questions for me in even 1 few words is the man!

Thanks in advance
 
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