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Ranking drops after linking from PBN

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Paulie W, Sep 11, 2014.

  1. Paulie W

    Paulie W Regular Member

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    I just build my first, small PBN and started to link to a clients (local) site. Yesterday I linked out twice from a 500 words article from a site, which used to be the same kind of business in the same city. Its very small linking profile is clean and natural (links from local citations, related sites, the most powerful links are image links from the web design company which created this site). THe CF is 21 and TF 25, also the site is indexed.

    I linked out in the beginning in the article about my clients services with the anchor "KW1 in city" and in the end "KW2".

    Today I noticed a drop from #4 to #8 for "KW1 city". I have been ranking this site for a while and I know that this is almost certainly not a google dance, because 1.) I very rarely saw a site dancing for this local KWs and 2.) when my clients site dropped, it always stayed there until I build some new links to it. Im also sure that this must be the cause from these links because I always notice a ranking update for the site within 12-48 hours, and the dropped happened within this timeline. Also, I am not building other links or whatsoever to the site.

    I am very surprised about the drop because imo this is the most natural link you can get for a local business. Also, I highly doubt that the linking site has ever been penalized because it has < 20 BL`s and all of them are natural. THe only reasons why g00gle could devalue this site is because 1.) it was dropped for months and 2.) the design and site structure are different from the original site. Regarding 1): The people in the country I am ranking this site seem not to know or care about PBNs, so its not uncommon to find a good site which has been dropped for a long time.

    So what do you think? I remember reading a thread about ranking dropping after using a PBN but cannot find it anymore.

    Also, what would be the best way to test out individually if a PBN site is good for linking to the MS or not?
     
  2. aka sam

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    I dont think you dropped your rank because you linked your site from a PBN.

    The point here being, it cant happen so fast. you said it was around 24 hours gap...between 'you get the link" and "You lost the ranking" I highly doubt it.
     
  3. Reyone

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    How old is the PBN domain, how many links, how much content, obls - is the content updated regularly? if so, for how long have you been doing so? Images, platform, etc, etc, etc.

    There are ton of factors that could affect the PBN itself if you are 100% certain that the drop has been originated from linking to it.
     
  4. Paulie W

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    I was ranking on #4 straight for a few months and for this KW and in this country the ranking update is really very fast. I always see within 48 hours max. if a linking campaign rises the ranking or not.

    The only other alternative cause could be that I haven´t build links to the site for a few weeks, but this would lead to a steady drop of rankings and not to a jump from 4 to 8.
     
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    A 4 positions drop? is not much. Wait up to a week
     
  6. Paulie W

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    The dropped domain is only 6 months old. Less than 20 BL´s, all natural. I just launched it online yesterday with one 500 words article about my clients service, including to 2 links (both anchors are KWs) to my clients site.

    I think the content is not a problem because it is very common in this nieche to have not to much content at all, and the dropped site was not any different, What could be the problem is the change in the design and site structure.
     
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    That is a weird one. My first though would be the Google dance but as you have built the PBN link on a relevant domain name that shouldn't be the instance.

    I recommend you wait for 10 days see if the rankings move around if not. Just continue as you are doing build 1 PBN link a week or 2 and purchase/do your own web 2.0's, article submissions, social bookmarks etc with tiers to diversify your backlink profile and hopefully that will increase your rankings.

    Do keep us informed on progress. Best of luck.
     
  8. tony_d

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    I think you just need to build more links... that's all. If all is as you've described, and there are no penalties hidden somewhere in the dark, there's not a ranking problem in the world that can't be solved by building more good quality PBN links.
     
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    What is the anchor text than you linked ? Is it exact , example you want to rank for 'doctor in estonia' , is your anchor text exactly the same ? And what is the anchor text ratio for other links?
     
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    You don't think it's a dance but it's likely a dance. A site can drop in the rankings when Google finds a new backlink pointing to it. That's how backlinks work; sometimes they increase your ranking and sometimes they decrease it.
     
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    Site structure and design has nothing to do with the rank drop. If the structure is different, it'll only make it less effective not the other way around so your site will still hold the #4 even after linking from this tiny PBN.

    Its definitely a google dance. If not, it must be the over-optimization penalty for having keyword rich anchor texts but I doubt this is the case with you. Wait for a week or two to see it coming back on top.
     
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    Is your PBN hidden?
     
  13. Paulie W

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    Hey Tony! How many links per week would you recommend? Since I am new to PBNs, I can´t be sure that my links are really good quality or not. So I think I wait first a week to see if something changes. If not, remove the links to see if the sites goes back to #4 and then continue with the new links.

    I remember that you got into PBNs some time ago. So you never experienced a dance or even a ranking drop from you own PBN links?

    I linked out in the beginning in the article about my clients services with the anchor "KW1 in city" and in the end "KW2".

    A dance would mean that the ranking are changing, in this case that it first drops and later rises above its initial position, correct?

    If the site would be not related to my clients site or if it would have a lot of suspicious BLs, I would understand that there is a risk of my ranking decreasing. However, I don´t understand it with this kind of site (few BLs, all natural, real business with the same service in the same city).
     
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    Also, my cleints site has a diversified linking profile and very diversified anchor text profile where the KW-anchors are very low.
     
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    The first thing that comes to mind is to ask whether or not your PBN site is even indexed after just 24 hours - if it isn't then chances are the new link has not been found and has nothing to do with your rankings drop. Or is this an article on an already indexed site? Either way - check the cache to see if the page and link are there.

    If it is indexed, I still wouldn't be concerned by this in the slightest - I've experienced "dancing" after building new PBN links to a site/page and without giving it a chance to settle, you can't really say one way or another what is happening.
     
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    "The dropped domain is only 6 months old. Less than 20 BL´s, all natural. I just launched it online yesterday with one 500 words article about my clients service, including to 2 links (both anchors are KWs) to my clients site."

    Here lies your problem...

    FYI, if this does seem to drop rankings, then the next level of NEG seo will be shitty PBN links for the next year, oh joy.
     
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    Don't you think it too early to start judging yourself. A lot of times after links are build it takes from days to several weeks to see positive changes and within this window period the site's ranking may drop and come back stronger on the SERP.
     
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    Mystery solved isn't it?
    Why would you send 2 kw anchor links to your client on a domain that has just gone live and that has had no activity whatsoever in the past?

    Hope you are not charging too much :)
     
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    this is also what i think
     
  20. FutureProofSeo

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    My point exactly.