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Ranking a country domain for another language

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gelox, Apr 4, 2013.

  1. gelox

    gelox Newbie

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    Hey, I'm trying to rank .ph (Phillipines) website with italian content on it (for the example), i SEO'd it right till now, and it seems that the domain have hard times ranking in Italy.
    Do you think using a country domain like .ph can hurt my ranking in another country with a different language?
     
  2. gelox

    gelox Newbie

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    Anyone have any clue ? It's kind of an urgent issue :p
     
  3. gelox

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    Still no one ? :)
     
  4. Alaindeloin

    Alaindeloin Regular Member

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    Change your country visitors in webmaster tool...but it would be better for you to have an .it, com, net, org...
     
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  5. Ztak07

    Ztak07 Regular Member

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    Try to get backlinks from websites in Italian. Like Alain suggested change your target in Webmaster tools as well.
     
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    Why wont u use an italian domain?? The way I see it, there are 2 main problems with that:
    1. Its very hard to rank a foreign domain in an unrelated geo ip country
    2. Think of your visitors, an italian visitor who sees a .ph domain in its local google search will probably think the result is not related to what he searched for cuz of language etc. so your ctr will probably be low than average


    Get an italian domain and make yourself easy life
     
  7. yorktownfashion

    yorktownfashion Regular Member

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    1. change domain to .IT 2. revise in google webmaster tool to make sure ur site "LOCATE" in IT. 3. USE ITALIAN TO BUILD BACKLINKS.
     
  8. deviatus

    deviatus Power Member

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    ughh... just thinking about that, the translating, all the trouble..

    Now I know how half of BHW feels every day ;) (but seriously, respect to anyone who speaks English as a second language and is successful marketing to the West. Even more respect to the people who can only write in broken English and manage to earn some coin).
     
  9. gelox

    gelox Newbie

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    You know from experience that ranking a foreign domain is harder ?


    For the other answers, i can't just change the target in GWT since it's a ccTLD.

    @deviatus I don't get what you are saying, who is it directed to ? :)

    Anyway, thank you all for your answers.

    Will it be fine if I buy a .it domain and just 301 to him? Or I should start from scratch.
     
  10. warner410

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    From my experience it is.

    You don't have many choices now.

    If you get a lot of links form Italian sites, you will start ranking in Italy too.

    I never use ccTLDs for my sites except when I want to focus only on a particular country. By default, Google links ccTLDs to their respective countries and this link cannot be broken even if the webmaster wants to.
     
  11. gelox

    gelox Newbie

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    Thanks warner410, you think 301'ing to another domain will do the trick?
     
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    Having a country-specific domain enables Google to return the search result to that certain country since Google would think that your site is relevant to the users from the Philippines. That's why you're site is not ranking in Italy. Having a TLD of .com, .net or.org or not that country specific has a better chance of ranking to territories.
     
  13. gelox

    gelox Newbie

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    Yes, thanks for your information, as I asked earlier, do you think that if i buy a fresh domain and make a 301, the problem will be solved ?
    Because I had to 301 at the beginning of the website's life and I don't know if it could hurt the ranking if i do another 301 now.
     
  14. JustUs

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    If you want to rank a domain in another country and you use a country specific tld for a different country, then host in the country that you are trying to rank for. G looks at the country of the host as well as the tld.

    If you use a tld of .hk and attempt to rank in the US then you need to serve from the US. Your SEO will be six times as difficult, but it can be done. You also need to add country specific meta tags in your header. While G does not use those tags, most other SE's do. All SE's now use page content to derive keywords, but it is still a decent idea to have the keywords you want to rank for in a meta tag in the language you want to rank for. A n English word you want to rank for will do you no good if it is spelt in Chinese.

    All studies that I have read, and my own testing indicate that 90 to 98 percent of the page rank and value when you use a 301.

    Some of your backlinks should be from the country that you want to rank in, but that is of less importance than the back links themselves.

    As others have suggested, you would be better off using a generic tld unless you have some specific reason for not wanting to, such as evading US law or to specifically fall under the law of another country in which case you would also not host in the US.
     
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  15. gelox

    gelox Newbie

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    Really detailled and usefull answer, thank you JustUs :)
     
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    I can tell from experience go for .it TLD and start new website.
     
  17. mathewsassn

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    Why u use .ph domain?I dont think it is a good idea.when use SEO,I only use .com/.net/.org domains
     
  18. ROTAX74

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    Having a TLD of .com, .net or.org or not that country specific has a better chance of ranking to territories.
    and if you want seo in specific country, make article backlinks in same langage :)
     
  19. warner410

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    I don't have firsthand experience with 301s, but yes, you should try that with a new domain.
     
  20. warjam1945

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    Sorry..not trying to hijack your thread but anybody got any experience on ranking the same site in 2 different google countries. I have done it before by making a new site with the country specific domain and hosting inside the country. The only problem i faced was getting all new content for the second site. There has to be a better way to do this.. if anybody has any tips i will be very grateful