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Quick question regarding PayPal and shopify any advice welcomed

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Alex Carter, May 22, 2017.

  1. Alex Carter

    Alex Carter Newbie

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    Hi guys I have a question, for reasons I am not going to go into my PayPal account was suspended for my company basically one of the ex directors got his account banned and it linked to our company account and that got banned.
    I have had a member of staff create a new PayPal account under a holding company, this new PayPal account will be used on our website (note that the old PayPal account was only ever used for our eBay store which is no longer active since the PayPal mess)

    if I add the PayPal express checkout button to my company website would PayPal be able to see my actual domain? I've managed to remove the checkout with PayPal button from the cart so now people have to pay with PayPal on the checkout page which is a redirect as I use shopify payments, for example, someone clicks check out on my site they get redirected to a checkout.shopify page and on that page PayPal is visible, when a customer clicks on checkout with PayPal they then get re re directed to the PayPal page, the holding company has absolutely no links to the actual company, completely different account holder name name in a completely different location, a completely different bank account and completely different email, I will never use my pc to log into the PayPal account my employee will handle everything.

    my question is.....

    will PayPal know that its my company? or will they just see a redirect from shopifies payment site and then the holding companies details?

    cheers.
     
  2. Alex Carter

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    could anyone shed some light for me?
     
  3. MafiaBlack

    MafiaBlack Regular Member

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    They don't care mate unless your new paypal account raise flag then they will manually check.
     
  4. Alex Carter

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    buy will they be able to see that the domain name matches the closed PayPal company name if the PayPal button is placed and only used from the shoplify external payment gateway domain which is checkout dot shopify dot com rather than www dot mycompanyname dot com
     
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    Like MafiaBlack said above, PayPal doesn't care to investigate. However, if you do illegal stuff with this account too, you'd be suspended, no questions asked.
     
  6. Alex Carter

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    we didn't do illegal stuff with our first account buddy, we ran out of stock due to the Christmas holidays so a lot of paypal claims were opened and then after 2 years in use they basically said yeah thats it we don't want to deal with you anymore, we don't sell on eBay anymore but as soon as I add the express checkout to my site theres going to be like £800 a day landing in the PayPal account, baring in mind that this is a personal account thats over 3 years old and has been upgraded to a busiensss account, will the large amount of money cause them to manually look into it and link and ban the PayPal? could they even have sufficient links as my employee has a different name, lives far away from me, never shares an IP with me, also ill never directly log onto the account
     
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    1. They won't dig up your history unless you force them to.
    2. Use a payment gateway other than Paypal. Depending on your location you can you use Stripe or Shopify fulfilment.

    Once again, when you are stepping into the business of dropshipping or selling, there would be refunds. You know your niche, and quality, so you know approximately how many refunds you are going to get. Try not to get many refunds and you're good to go unless someone raises disputes for your product and causes real tantrum.

    And when I say 'illegal', I never meant that you are doing illegal stuff. I meant what Paypal classifies as 'illegal'. There's a clear difference between the two, as you might know. ☺
     
  8. Sephrata

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    So where does the ex-director come into this?

    The fact is, there is a risk for Paypal when it comes down to people starting claims or charge backs. It's no different with any other card merchant, a large number of charge backs = a risky account. £800 a day is nothing when it comes to a card merchant.

    Paypal will pick up on what you are doing here. It's breaking their TOS and you're going to end up getting caught.
     
  9. Alex Carter

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    The ex director doesn't come into any of this he's gone, we have received 2 refunds in a month and have a sales volume of around £1500 a day, its all legit products sent royal mail first class, all happy customers, the only way for them to link it would be to look at the URL where the express checkout button is used what I am saying is I use shoplify payments so as soon as someone hits checkout they are re directed to www dot checkout dot shopify dot com, so I'm assuming that PayPal won't be able to see my actual URL? the URL has the company name in which was on the paypal account which was banned, but the new PayPal account is set up with our holding company that has never been associated with the other business, the PayPal that was banned never sold on shoplify and only eBay and we no longer sell on eBay, will I be safe? will PayPal link everything? or won't they be able to since everything is completely different? cheers
     
  10. Alex Carter

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    please see my reply to Sephrata + we already use shoplify payments but I want to add PayPal as it will drastically reduce abandoned carts.
     
  11. Innovatorz

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    Yes, I understand that. Unfortunately, the only solution is having a personal account or something along those lines.
     
  12. Alex Carter

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    Why a personal account? why can't I have our holding companies PayPal linked to it? as it is a completely different name? and on paper that PayPal account has nothing to do with me, only my employee who set it up.
     
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    If you think that it is good to go, then it should. Once again, don't drag your employees in, because they might have their own Paypal account.

    Secondly, if there are a lot of returns, you'd have issues. I don't know what niche/products you're selling so I cannot comment on that.

    Finally, the choice is yours.
     
  14. Sephrata

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    I don't really follow what you're saying here.

    Where does this bit come into it (we didn't do illegal stuff with our first account buddy, we ran out of stock due to the Christmas holidays so a lot of paypal claims were opened and then after 2 years in use they basically said yeah thats it we don't want to deal with you anymore)?

    Once your account is closed, it's closed. It doesn't matter where you want to sell in the future. However, most of the time there is some form of appeal or arbitration. Have you looked at that?

    Because your holding company is not the company that is selling the items. How would you deal with the bank accounts? Is this a UK company?
     
  15. Alex Carter

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  16. Alex Carter

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    I don't really follow what you're saying here.

    Where does this bit come into it (we didn't do illegal stuff with our first account buddy, we ran out of stock due to the Christmas holidays so a lot of paypal claims were opened and then after 2 years in use they basically said yeah thats it we don't want to deal with you anymore)?

    Once your account is closed, it's closed. It doesn't matter where you want to sell in the future. However, most of the time there is some form of appeal or arbitration. Have you looked at that?



    Right I'm going to try make this more simple

    1: my company PayPal account was banned because we stupidly ran out of stock over Christmas and didn't put anything to out of stock on eBay so we had a tonne of cases opened on PayPal and then PayPal shut us down, I've appealed but they aren't having it, yeah I know not that big of a deal was it.

    2: we decided to leave eBay and start selling on shoplify.

    3: we already accept shoplify payments on our website, but because we don't accept PayPal its causing more people to leave without checking out.

    4: I've started a new company for the sole purpose of accepting PayPal payments from our shopify site, this company is set up under one of my employees names, the PayPal account was his personal account which he's upgraded to a business account using the new companies name, the new company has a new bank account in the directors name, on paper this company and PayPal account has nothing to do with me or the previous company.

    5: the only possible link PayPal could make between the PayPal account that got closed and our website is the company name in the url, but when someone clicks on the checkout button on our site they are re directed to shopifies payment gateway pay which is www dot checkout dot shoplify dot com, rather than it actually showing our name on the URL.

    6: my question is, since the PayPal payment can only be initiated from the shoplify checkout page which doesn't contain our url will PayPal be able to somehow link the PayPal accounts together?

    7: some of you are saying things about if you do suspicious things PayPal will manually review it, since we have launched our site we have been averaging £1400 a day in revenue and have had only 2 refunds, if say 70% of this revenue starts hitting the PayPal will they begin investigating and if they do investigate will it be possible for them to link the new PayPal which doesn't have any links to the old PayPal... to the new PayPal account.

    I hope this clears things up.

    Cheers
     
  17. MafiaBlack

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    Mate, if you have high volume of sales each day of course they will permanently limited your paypal account. Until you provide docs. If you already have already provided and talk to them before regarding your business so no worries. But when they check, they will check everything depends on their staff..
     
  18. Alex Carter

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    I dont think you actually understand my question, I will provide all the necessary documents for the new company but my question is can PayPal link me?
     
  19. Innovatorz

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    Ok. They cannot theoritically. But, there's a big BUT they can if they want. And you cannot stop them. If I were you, I would've continued with Paypal and worried when the time came.

    Also, I wouldn't have pulled an employee in this. I would've started with my normal, new personal account or a stealth one, and then moved on with it. In case of any issues you can contact sellers here who would provide you with ids.

    Stop worrying so much. Duh!