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Question to Glen Allsopp - Why So Serious?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Vic Sage, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. Vic Sage

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    Alright Glen, I know you are reading this thread. Wanted to post this thread on a public forum 'cause I want to know what EXACTLY you are trying to achieve.

    Saw your latest posts on your blog -
    Code:
    http://www.viperchill.com/2-million-backlinks/
    Code:
    http://www.viperchill.com/google-storm/
    Code:
    http://www.viperchill.com/new-seo/
    So you want to see decent search results? Sorry to disappoint you my friend, what actions you are taking won't get the job done. With your blog posts, what you are doing is pissing off Matt Cutts. He doesn't know what to do and out of desperateness he might do some changes to the algo that will only do more harm.

    Yeah, I admit, I also don't want to see such sites appearing on Google every now and then with 2 million links. Or dictionary sites/Wikipedia pages appearing for high value terms.

    The thing that hits me the most is sooo much outing. You are outing sites, youtube vids which are ranking with such wise techniques. Remember, they spent their time, effort and money on ranking these properties. You don't have any rights to out them.

    I must admit, I like you man. But that's not the way you are going at it. Sometimes, it makes me thinking, is it for promoting your new product BacklinksXXX? 'Cause in almost every posts I saw you are saying, "I have discussed this and that in BacklinksXXX".

    And...looks like you also marked the comments of this guy Adam Feinberg. That guy is just pissed off because his once ranked #2 for "SEO Service" site MarketLeaderSEO.com is not in the top 30 -

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    So...kindly let us all know what you are ACTUALLY up to.

    Thanks.

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    this belongs to the lounge....
     
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  3. Vic Sage

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    Thanks for the recommendation mate. But it's purely related to SEO. That's why thought this section is perfect :)
     
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    Ask SkyrocketSEO he knows all about the VC numpty!
     
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    Its all in the post, looks like he is launching his new product on Sep 2.
     
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  6. Vic Sage

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    What is pissing me off is the serious outing he is doing these days, that includes such properties which were ranked through serious testing and effort by their owners. Reminds me of bobbylove321, who I believe was solely responsible for getting ALN (AuthorityLinkNetwork - Largest blog network once started by unknown_zero of BHW) hit -
    Code:
     http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/making-money/402955-bobbyloves-ranking-domination-2012-edition.html
    After this thread, ALN started getting huge exposure. People started BSTs providing ALN services. It was sooo easy, send 1k blog posts to your site and voila, it's in the top 10. And finally, it got a huge hit -
    Code:
    http://trafficplanet.com/topic/1885-aln-lost-5297-domains-in-1-week/
    The reason of how so many blogs Matt could de-index so fast -
    Code:
    http://trafficplanet.com/topic/1931-ive-found-the-source-of-5000-aln-ban/
    Link to the actual BS but wisely done blog post by Mastermind (!!!) SEO'ers of MOZ which totally ripped off a site's backlink profile which was getting around 5k blog post links from ALN -
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    http://moz.com/blog/how-garbage-ranks-in-the-serps-a-case-study
    And now, even though, it's almost impossible to track SAPE/SAPE-Like Networks, I believe getting much attention of Google won't do any good.



    lol. Yeah, I saw (from Viperchill) -

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  7. goldendeli

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    Adam feinberg is a douche nozzle and as you mentioned pissed off that he doesnt rank for his keywords anymore.

    I worked for an seo company that he threatened to report to google for buying links because we were outranking his sorry ass for his keywords. the guys horrible at seo and understands it at a very low level. oh and the guy buys more links than he knows what to do with. instead of doing any real seo he just looks at top ranking results for seo keywords all day. go adam!

    what i find shocking is that people are finding glens posts shocking. none of his shit is new this stuff has been working for YEARS. but hes just exploiting the info to the masses to help promote his services and upcoming services.

    glen gets marketing by rehashing seo knowledge thats been working for years
     
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    I like Glen as well but agree that lately he has been outing too many sites. I know he just wants to get the point across and do it with enough proof yet not outing too many sites at the same time. He did mention in his posts that he doesn't like outing sites on more than one occasion.

    It's a tough situation, he does have to prove what he is saying yet at the same time when he does people are going to get pissed for him outing sites. I'd like to think that it's not like outing a site here - which spells near instant death for the site - but I doubt that's the case.

    Regarding his product though - really I don't see a problem with it. It's his blog and he can post popups and link to his product as his name in the comments and spam his email list over and over letting them know about it. But he doesn't do any of those things. He links to it here and there and typically those links are surrounded by thousands of words of good content so I don't see the issue there at all.
     
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    When he was selling his "whitehat" cloud niches product.. he was all about how quality content.. and look at my viperchill blog i post quality content and look at my wordpress plugins.. whitehat .. etc.. and etc.. etc.. etc..

    Now that he is promoting a blackhat product "backlinks.xxx" (which basically tells you to buy ultimate demon and set expired domains network, and there are better tutorials on this for free on various forums) he is all about blackhat works...look how blackhat works.. etc.. etc..

    Same old guru shit, different clothing. I do not mind, as he offers some quality info in his posts, but make no mistake that the "seo revelations" that comes out of him are only due to his seo product and trying to promote it.

    It has only been that way and it will always be for a long time. You can spin seo how you want because there are so many websites live and making money that is easy to find examples to prove your points.

    In my keyword research i come across a list of websites ranking top in google for moderate competitive buyer keywords , that make easily 300-500$ per month each , and they have only one page. That's right, one page websites still ranking and cashing in 2013 after panda and penguin. The more you look on the web, the more you see that almost everything people say is impossible is actually quite possible.
     
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  10. CEOing

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    Hi Crusher,

    Why so serious?
     
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    I just wrote the longest reply I've ever made on a forum then got some 'you can't post twice in a row' error and then told to donate for $97.

    I'm not gonna write it all again but in summary:

    - I do hate outing, but as someone said, it's the only way to backup my points. If you haven't noticed I actually blurred all URL's on my last post even before the first 24 hours were up. I didn't have to do this, but I also agree that people have put hard work into their marketing.

    - As for why I used to talk about whitehat and now talk about blackhat. Well, first of all I hate those phrases, they're so wrong. Second of all, I've answered this multiple times on my blog: My sites that were doing very well using the what-Google-preach model simply don't rank as well in 2013 and I'm getting outranked by those who abuse freshness, spamming, and Youtube. Before you call me out, at least be fair and read what I post.

    - Matt Cutts does not read my blog. I'm not Moz where I'm going to get a personal response or he's going to comment on my blog posts via Hacker News. Anything I've 'outed' has stayed up, and again I have blurred out URL's where relevant

    - Your argument is too one-sided. You're missing the point that there may have been people who have done a lot of testing to figure things out, but there are also people who have put in more work on their websites than you can think possible while building natural links and they haven't got a chance to compete against these spammers. If you're going to be on anyone's side, it should be there's. This is BlackHatWorld though so I wont expect an agreement on that ;)

    - I have been doing Blackhat stuff for a very long time. I'm sure I had another account here where I used to post the dirtiest of the dirtiest back in the day. People progress and change their marketing angles. I'm not a robot, I simply focus on what works well for me. That shouldn't be surprising to any of you.

    Sorry I don't have much time to post on forums these days, but hopefully that answers some questions. My inbox is always open...
     
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  12. goldendeli

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    where have you been glen, this shit has always worked. googles algorithm is inherently flawed as you mention but lets get serious here there's really only so much that they can do from an algorithms perspective.

    should they ban blatant abuse and spamming? sure. but SEOs will evolve with the algorithm changes, especially those here on bhw.

    regardless outing peoples niches such as the hosting review keywords is tasteless. maybe we are a bit overprotective but i dont have a doubt that the guy you pointed out (via twitter and your site) is a member here and makes a good living from those websites. were you just trying to out the sites to help pad your friend pat flynns wallet? maybe hes in the same niche and needed those results cleaned up a bit? who knows.

    we get it you want to make a killing selling your old school network and future seo "underground" super ninja guides in the works but theres really no need to expose niches like youve done.
     
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  13. Vic Sage

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    @CEOing. Hi Glen, first of all, let me tell you this. Huge fan here :) Have been following you from your personal development blog to Viperchill and so on.

    Those "Blurred URLs" don't work. It's still to easy to find out which site you are talking about -


    You are wrong. Serious "WhiteHat" sites still rank very well in the SERPs. It's just the webmasters who get frustrated to see a new site pushing their "WhiteHat" site down from #1 to #2. And they start screaming. They forget that the site that took over the first place will only stay there for 1 month maximum. While, they will hover between #1-#3 for around 6 months. Who will make the highest profit? The blackhatter or the whitehatter? I can show you people who have been working on their sites for around 7-8 months (That includes me), and getting expected results.

    I highly doubt that. Specially seeing the amount of social shares each post on your site gets.

    I am NOT being one-sided here. I did mention this in the first post didn't I? -

    Funny thing is, you are talking about how the algo should've changed favoring those who work for long on their sites and at the same time, I believe you are promoting blackhat stuff (BacklinksXXX). Seeing one comment on your sales page -

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    Now, is it possible to rank #2 within 10 days through Whitehat tactics? Here is what I believe are the perfect timing for ranking a site/parasite through different tactics -


    Type of SEO Time Required to hit the first page

    Type of SEO Time required to hit first page
    Whitehat 6-12 months
    Blackhat 3 weeks-1 month
    Greyhat (The most preferred way) 3 months


    Here are the modules of BacklinksXXX -

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    "Youtube script" - I guess you are "revealing" how YT videos can be ranked fast. Specially seeing a comment on your blog post I do believe that's what you are covering here -

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    "Secret links" - You are surely covering SAPE in this module.

    Now, let me get this straight. You are outing things so that you can make Google understand that the search results are not expected and only sites that provide value to searchers deserve to be in the top 10. But at the same time, you are actually covering how to do BlackHat SEO and pointing people at that direction -

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    Looks like they lost interest in "WhiteHat" SEO and started following the Blackhat ways you mentioned in your blog posts. Nice way to make the search results more clean and accurate by inviting more and more people. Like Duke Nukem - "Come, spam some".

    Take a look at this -

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    Yes, it's mine. I do this every now and then and I don't regret it. Google is manipulating the search results in their favor, and I am manipulating the search results in my favor. I don't see any harm in that. Go up fast, stay there for a month or so, make some cash and wait till the site tanks. Blackhat SEO done right.

    Again, I have sites in the BIG niches and am working on them for around 7-8 months. And I am pretty sure I will be #1 for a long time once these sites will hit that position.

    In my opinion, impatient people who don't have the guts to do "WhiteHat SEO" for 6 months+ start whining that the algo is not right and that, only spammy sites rank in the SERPs. Whitehat SEO works and will always work.

    I am not getting into any arguement with you. All I am asking for is, stop outing such web properties and stop pushing people to do Blackhat SEO. I see you won't stop here -

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    The way your posts are convincing people to take action (aka "Do Blackhat SEO") will only do more harm. Which will cause moderated search results (As we see now in the "Payday Loans" niche) in almost every single HUGE niches out there.

    Can you explain this Glen?
     
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  14. CEOing

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    Goldendell,

    Where have you been? Your account here isn't even a year old and you're trying to tell me "this sh*t has always worked". I've been writing about this since 2006 ;)

    "should they ban blatant abuse and spamming? sure. but SEOs will evolve with the algorithm changes, especially those here on bhw"

    Genuinely sorry but I don't understand this sentence. The second part doesn't seem to have anything to do with the first.

    Lol at bringing Pat into this. He doesn't make any sales for rankings around those phrases. He actually has a blog post on the topic if you want to read how he does it.

    I get that you want to get thanks on your posts and seem like an authority to those on BHW, but there's no need to ignore my comments above like you've done.

    This is blackhatworld so like I said above, I don't expect anyone to support my ideas. It doesn't matter. You're too one-sided (again, mentioned above) about all of the people who have put in a ton of work in their genuine hosting sites, seo companies, bluehost reviews and anything else I can think of. If you think spam deserves to outrank a genuine webmaster then you've spent too much time here and it's something I can never agree with.

    Whether or not you do it though (yes, I test it myself) is totally up to you. But if you're going to try and convince me that those buying links deserve some credit over 'natural' webmasters who do things the hard way then you may as well stop trying now.

    This is exactly why I don't post on forums: Too much of one ideal and everyone is going to support that idea.

    I've posted so few examples that I'm amazed there's even a thread about it. Especially after my second post had all the URL's blurred out (way before this post existed). I highlighted a single Youtube video out of the millions that are uploaded every day. If that worries you, then don't let it. Sape isn't going anywhere, neither is linkolo .pl (which is what I now think was used more than sape but didn't update the post to say so).

    I know your intentions are good, but also try to consider other people besides your fellow blackhatters. It'll do wonders for your marketing over the long-term.

    P.S. ViperChill / SEO is the lowest percentage of my income out of anything. I make more money from software (such as OptinSkin) than anything I ever have or will on SEO. I would be just fine if that income channel stopped tomorrow.
     
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    The best thing to do with guys like this is not give them the exposure.

    By linking to his websites... well you know what i'm gonna say!

    Just ignore him.....