Question on using Anonymous IP

ultimate34 · Jul 23, 2008

Is it of any use to use anonymous IP server such as hxxp://anonymouse*org?

I heard that our IP can still be tracked through firewall, is that true?

Thanks

Riyonuk · Jul 23, 2008

I don't think your quite sure you know what your talking about. Your IP is a set of numbers that identify you on the Internet. Sure you can proxy chain, but ultimately, it can always be tracked back to you. If your looking to be Anonymous, your must take more steps than that. There's no foolproof method that totally prevents you from being identified.

Some people will recommend TOR / I2P / JAP / anonymous proxies etc, but you'll never know which are honeypots / spying agents. TOR has some nodes that spy for governments. JAP has had a backdoor for the German government since 2003. And many more examples to show that what seems safe isn't really safe.

ultimate34 · Jul 24, 2008

I am using anonymouse.org to surf web when performing black hat stuffs. It seems that it isn't safe after all since we can still be tracked. Is that so?

Rodog · Jul 24, 2008

nothing is safe. If you are doing some serious stuff the the feds are looking for you then go and connect wifi from some starbucks or something. If you are at home you can be found. Only if they really want to find you...

satan · Jul 24, 2008

Riyonuk said:
TOR has some nodes that spy for governments. JAP has had a backdoor for the German government since 2003. And many more examples to show that what seems safe isn't really safe.

Can you show us / explain some of these 'examples' ?

ghands · Jul 24, 2008

Man, if someone wants you bad enough they will track you. I guess the trick is not to do stuff thats going to get people that mad. After all, CraigsList can't be bothered tracking every step in the chain to identify every person who has put up a dumb advert!

Riyonuk · Jul 24, 2008

satan said:
Can you show us / explain some of these 'examples' ?

Well, take TOR for example. Who's to say there aren't rouge nodes setup for the explict purpose of packet sniffing traffic? Or say those Web Proxies, who's to say the Owner isn't laughing at the countless PayPal and CC numbers, MySpace passwords, and other random things he finds?

BuzzKill · Jul 24, 2008

It is highly unlikely that you will ever be big enough to be a blip on anyone's screen. Don't steal identities and pay your taxes.

satan · Jul 24, 2008

Riyonuk said:
Well, take TOR for example. Who's to say there aren't rouge nodes setup for the explict purpose of packet sniffing traffic? Or say those Web Proxies, who's to say the Owner isn't laughing at the countless PayPal and CC numbers, MySpace passwords, and other random things he finds?

Yeah, of course. I'm sure it's possible - as well as very probable.

But you stated it as FACT: TOR has some nodes that spy for governments. JAP has had a backdoor for the German government since 2003. And many more examples to show that what seems safe isn't really safe.

I was merely asking you for maybe a link, to a story, a bbs post, or something of the sort that reported on it - rather than speculating something as a fact without proof.

Riyonuk · Jul 24, 2008

I used to have some zines on them, but from a quick google search, does this suffice? I'll see if I can dig through my hardrive, through all the stuff I download everyday

The JAP project recently experienced this issue, when
the German government successfully ordered them to add a backdoor to
- all of their nodes.

http://archives.seul.org/or/cvs/Nov-2003/msg00021.html

...any evil Tor exit node operator could spy on the exit traffic in order to get, say, random passwords for webmail accounts, message boards and so forth.

http://en.linuxreviews.org/Tor

satan · Jul 24, 2008

Excellent, thanks Riyonuk

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