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Question for SweetFunny

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Jason8300, Jul 24, 2015.

  1. Jason8300

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    Hi SweetFunny

    I did not see a way to PM you (and I cannot PM anyhow) and I think this would be a useful question to other members on the forum.

    We all know how great Scrapebox is (I own two copies). We also know that Scrapebox (and another top two SEO programs which I won't mention) was written in delphi programming language.

    My question is: Knowing what you know now (that the software has become so popular) would you still have chosen delphi to write the program? Or perhaps, looking back you'd choose something else?

    If not, what would be your programming choice right now?

    And can you enumerate benefits of delphi over Java? Of course, I am thinking of writing a IM bot (but no competition, don't worry)

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  2. loopline

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    Im 100% certain they would choose Delphi because they just built Scrapebox V2 from the ground up, completely brand new, every single line of code is new and from scratch. This took them over a year to do and they could have choosen anything at that time, but they chose Delphi and its just been launched in the past few weeks.

    GSA and Xrumer are both done in Delphi as well, so it seems its an ideal language for this type of tool. As ideal as you can get from whats available. Xrumer is from Russia, Sven from GSA is from Germany (I think, could be wrong), Sweetfunny is from Australia, and there are other people in the mix from other countries, so one could safely assume that with so many countries around the world and their diversity - and so many great people - and great programs, all in delphi, its a good option. It has perhaps more of a learning curve then some languages though.

    That said Im not a Delphi expert or a Java Expert, so I can't enumerate the differences. My kind of general feeling about things is that Java is going down the road Flash went down, but then I could be totally wrong about that.
     
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  3. Jason8300

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    Great response.

    It seems plausible what you wrote however there is a slight possibility that even if they rewrote the thing from scratch they it is still easier to use a previously used language (bec of familiarity then change to new one) as the libraries and concepts still remain ingrained in the mind.

    I guess the real question would be suppose SweetFunny new (or knows?) both Java and Delphi equally well would she still chose Delphi?

    About Java going down soon.. I don't know I've read other people echoing similar things but it still seems strong..

    I was thinking about learning Delphi but when I did my research it seems like people are saying precisely what you said about Java about Delphi - this is why I am hesitant..

    Google: what-happened-to-borland-delphi (cannot post link, it will take you to thread on stackoverflow)


    (this isn't the only thread around, just an example)
     
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    Some of it is just your frame of reference, you could probably find people that say any language is going downhill, depending on by whom and what they are influenced. Is the glass half full or half empty?

    Anyway, at some point, at least I have found for me, the only real course of action is

    Ready, Fire! Aim

    If you begin to learn one and find its not going to do what you want and you redirect to learn the other, you will probably not be worse off for having partially learned the first. Sometimes you have to go as far as you can see and then you will be able to see further, like the curve of the earth.

    I get what your saying in that its easier, but after 4 years of a product, and knowing its going to take them a year or more to code the new release, I would assume they did some research and if another language was exponentially better they would know that in the long run its better to take the time to learn it along the way as they redevelop then it would be to blindly just go with what they know.

    In a nutshell, Sweetfunny does not seem like a "float with the current" kind of person, they seem highly progressive and proactive.

    I know for a fact that prior to Scrapebox they hadn't done major projects like this, they didn't even intend for Scrapebox to be like it is today. It was their private tool and they started selling it to a few friends to make it worth while to continue to develop it and then it blew up. The market needed it and so it exploded. I know they are self taught and didn't get some fancy degree in computer science, so after years of this I would at least assume they are proactive enough to do the research for the best language for the job and be willing to learn that if it wasn't what they were already using. Plus Xrumer and GSA both use it, Xrumer first, then Scrapebox, then GSA...

    Anyway, thats not to say that Delphi or Java are necessarily the best for you, perhaps some other language is. But I would advise don't spend massive amounts of time trying to figure it out, Spend some, get ready, then spend a couple weeks in it and try and experiment and in a few weeks or couple months you will know enough to adjust course if need be. My 2 cents.
     
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