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Question about iframing an incentivizable email submit?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by skylark516, Aug 19, 2010.

  1. skylark516

    skylark516 Regular Member

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    Assuming I use junk traffic to lower my conversions, is there reason I could get banned (I fake my referrer as well)?

    I don't think they expect any of the leads to convert anyway, because its an incentive email submit.

    Do they actually expect them to convert, or do they just spam them to h#ll and back?
     
  2. Hunwarrior

    Hunwarrior Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    NOO, they don`t want them to convert. They just need email addresses to spam. But only for fun.Thats is what they do in their spare time.Using huge resources to spam 10K of emails for fun.
    They are paying you for incentivise email submits, but yeah... no converts needed on their side.
     
  3. THUNDERELVI

    THUNDERELVI Elite Member

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    You won't be banned, but you'll be shaved as hell, expect at max. 50% of the money you'll make, that is my experience with incentive offers:rolleyes:

    Btw, what network are those incentive email submits?
    I'm looking for some of these as well, plz tell me(PM me if you don't want to share here)
     
  4. skylark516

    skylark516 Regular Member

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    I PMed you. From the replies it seems like they don't have to convert. Would you even bother using junk traffic? Anyone else have input?

    A few more people verifying they don't have to convert would be really nice.
     
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    THUNDERELVI Elite Member

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    No, they don't have to convert, the advertiser can't blame you for non-converting leads, since he knows that incentivised offers are of no value to users, unless the offer is somehow related to the site content, and still the CR will be too low, so need to worry about that, worry about covering your tracks and make sure the network doesn't found out you're i-framing, because that is NOT allowed when promoting offers, unless the advertiser has authorized this.
    Btw, I haven't received your PM yet...

    EDIT: You don't need junk traffic, although you must make sure your site which appears as a referer when you're faking it has some records of traffic, which means if the AM checks your site if it receives traffic, and believe me they know where to check;) (Hint, hint Compete.com), everything will be ok, so I advice sending some junk traffic to your site to lower conversions and to also make it look like "authority"(mix in some social traffic too)
    I received your PM now, thnx for your answer!
     
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    ┼blackrat┼ Senior Member

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    Alright then, so to speak, if I fake my referrer when Iframing an email submit incentivized offer, I will be fine?
     
  7. skylark516

    skylark516 Regular Member

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    Do you think i'll need to use junk traffic to lower my conversion rates though?

    And i'll resend you the PM.
     
  8. skylark516

    skylark516 Regular Member

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    Yes. I was also inquiring about the necessity of junk traffic though.
     
  9. market0r

    market0r Registered Member

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    I've been and advertiser on those in the past and the people that do what you're talking about doing are really everything that is wrong w/ the internet from an advertiser's point of view haha..

    When we pay you for an email submit, its because we hope the person will go down the path and complete coreg offers and possibly CPA wall offers - what you're getting is a BOUNTY to bring those people in.

    The worst part about it is that when we do email the incent guys that you provided, they complain. Its useless and really the reason there is so much scrubbing on these types of offers.

    Then again, I think I've seen some incentable email submit offers recently - but i'm sure the payouts are based on all sorts of factors like email domain, etc etc.
     
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    ┼blackrat┼ Senior Member

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    Yes we are wrong, what you doing here?
     
  11. THUNDERELVI

    THUNDERELVI Elite Member

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    Read my EDIT in my post above!
     
  12. market0r

    market0r Registered Member

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    haha I dont care what you do, I just am telling you why you'll get scrubbed out and why advertisers dont like it.

    Funny thing is someone here will one day probably buy that data that was submitted and wonder why its full of traps and complainers.. But for the record, I don't think BH marketing necessarily means ripping of your industry peers.
     
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    ┼blackrat┼ Senior Member

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    Man there is one thing I don´t get at all.

    How can you Iframe an email submit and fake the referrer at the same time? I mean, if you use an Iframe, the referrer will always be the page that contains the Iframing, correct?

    Like in:

    Source of traffic - Optimized cpa offer page - Cpa redirector - Offer. Alrightm referrer faked

    If was done this way:

    Source of traffic - Optimized cpa Offer page - Cpa Redirector - BH iframed page with email submit - The referrer would be the BH iframed page with email submit, what am I missing here?!

    Thanks for clarifying m8s!
     
  14. skylark516

    skylark516 Regular Member

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    The first step would be to setup the iframe for the normal offer. Then you'll have some code. Find the URL. Replace that with a link that goes to a site that will fix the referer and then redirect to your offer.

    It looks the same to the user, and your referer problems are taken care of.

    I have my own referer faker/blanker, but if you're trying to find one then I recommend referer.us. They've been around for a LONG time, and they check against referer leaks.

    Good luck to you.
     
  15. THUNDERELVI

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    Look at crazyflx thread, he explains what you need in details, you'll also find a free gateway to promote offers there, the gateway is ideally made for i-framed offers(and also incentive) and covers how to fake the referer with CPA-R2, read it here:

     
  16. Checkmate

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    I'm looking to start doing this but lite-weight not going crazy with it.
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
  17. skylark516

    skylark516 Regular Member

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    Thank you so much. I really appreciate this, and you have been extremely helpful. I have one last question.

    Assuming the offer converts on email submit:

    Would it be smart to make a certain percent of my leads go the second page (iframed of course), and make them fill it out, or does it not make a difference?

    Thanks!
     
  18. ┼blackrat┼

    ┼blackrat┼ Senior Member

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    Oh well, this does not helps much, but I noticed every newb who posted here has been thanked 5 times in 4 posts. Looks like we´re pretty much at a equal level and should join some forces. Pm me for my contacts and let´s share our lack of knowledge with each other, compare venture results... how´s so?