1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Q/A & case study thread - Dutch insurance niche with adsense

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ghengis_khan, Jul 30, 2011.

  1. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    First some general info about the motivation, keyword and site :

    It's a Dutch insurance keyword. I originally found this niche in oktober 2010 when I had just joined BHW and was starting to really experiment with micro niche websites. The keyword wasn't saturated yet, there were only 2 other IM guys competing, both white-hat. I got to #3 at one point (also WH, #1,2 are gov site) and was making quite a nice bit of pocket money. In january 2011 I decided to go to Thailand and Vietnam for 6 months and live off my adsense income. I got lazy though and neglected my main money sites while persuing hundreds of random projects. Slowly (even before I boarded the plane) my sites were dropping slowly in the SERPS. In the end the insurance site was #9 and only making about 5$ a day. One of my other main money sites got slapped with a -50 and I got fined a few thousand euro's by my government for not disabling my student public transport pass online =D.

    I had to cut my trip short and go back to shitty old Amsterdam. I ended up selling the insurance site to pay off bills and be able to pay a months rent as I was completely broke. The last few months I have set up a small freelance-seo 1 man company and have had success hustling small contracts here and there. Things started to pick up and I will be starting a full time inhouse SEO job in the adult industry soon.

    I consider this keyword my personal 'baby' and it really bugs me that the site I sold is now #3 again with no onsite or offsite changes. So far I have had a few failed attempts at getting back my original niche. Its really personal :D The only problem is that now its very saturated. Pages 1 till 3 are all micro niche sites, blackhat competitors and other dodgy stuff.


    Keyword :

    3.5 euro CPC (5$+)

    70k monthly local searches (exact)
    197.000 broad search results
    intitle: 3.6k
    inurl: 309


    Website:

    .nl domain
    written in clean html and css
    1 page only with 400 words that I wrote myself. (Even though its a bad quality text for my standards, It's better than 90% of my competition )
    exact keyword is in URL with some digits behind it, no '-'



    Results so far :

    [​IMG][​IMG]

    Site created on my birthday as a present to myself =D
    Decided to code it in html/css instead of using wordpress. Another competitor was also not using any CMS and seemed to be doing well. Mad, our beloved and celebrated admin (and kinda my obi wan kenobi) also advised using rdfa semantic markup language.

    My original plan was to keep this strictly white-hat and actually build a useful site (I'm pretty straight edge compared to most people here ;P) but in the end I loaded up scrapebox and thought : fuck it!
    Just press a button, smoke a joint and let software do the work for you xD


    History of backlinking :

    July 2 (GRAPH IS WRONG) : linked 3 of my own PR0 sites (same niche, relevant content, relevant urls, all only 1 page) on different C-class ip's to my new site. Used 3 different anchor texts. Tried to keep it semi longtail to avoid possible penalties.

    July 20 : Used a list of 600 dutch keywords to scrape blogs from the last 3 months. Got about 100k results. After a lot of posting and sorting with test URLS I ended up with a list of about 100 autoapprove PR 2-5 domains with all the inner pages. I blasted my money page directly with 120 different related anchor texts.

    July 22 : Threw in a few nofollow links from popular Dutch newspaper sites. Manually commented on related articles, just used name as anchor because of the admins that check for spam.

    July 28 : Manually created 10 blogs on populair 'create your own blog' sites. If you dig hard enough you can find golden gems :) Wrote 100 words on each one with varying anchor texts, also added URL to my profile. Made sure all the blogs had my anchor texts in the URL and title too. Only 1 of these has been indexed as of 30 July. I have had lots of success with this in the past and am currently teaching Zennoposter to do this automatically for me :)

    July 29 : Noticing the sudden leap in ranking to #11 I got excited and scraped 100 nice PR5+ forums to make profiles on with scrapeboard. Made sure I used varying anchor texts (14 with some long tails thrown in). None of these links have been indexed yet either. I expect them to start showing up in the next few days.

    I will keep you guys updated on what happens. Hope I can get my old position back again =D



    Some random tips :

    You can never use enough anchor texts. Throw in variations that are spelled incorrectly, weird long tales, anything to make it look natural.


    Scrape your own lists! Take the time to sift through and find non-spammed high PR blogs.


    100 words of correctly and properly written content carries more weight IMO than a 500 word bad-english and/or spun article.


    Get backlinks from different sources! Don't only use one tool. Try to maintain a backlink profile that looks random, at least to an algorithm.



    Any questions ? Fire away :)
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 4
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2011
  2. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    [​IMG]

    Update : now #9

    Only new links indexed today where some nofollow's from the scrapebox blast on July 20. They still seem to trickle in everyday.


    July 30 : Threw in links from 2 of my own, completely unrelated, PR3 domains
     
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2011
  3. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    Still #9

    august 2 :
    30k scrapebox blast, fresh unspammed list. Only PR1+ domains. same settings as before.

    Still waiting for lots of links to be indexed although the unrelated PR3 backlinks are now showing, no change though.
     
  4. Blaatje

    Blaatje Power Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    522
    Likes Received:
    110
    Location:
    NL
    Lol, OV zuigt ballen anyway. :)
     
  5. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    ov ? ;d
     
  6. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    [​IMG]

    fuck yeah! Links from second scrapebox blast and scrapeboard blast dripping in
     
  7. Alexfrance

    Alexfrance Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2010
    Messages:
    337
    Likes Received:
    73
    Occupation:
    Intel Pentium I 75 Mhz Processor
    Location:
    Somewhere in France, 20 km from Belgium
    looks interesting man, def interesting niche! Could u tell more about it? I mostly find insurance niche filled with IM - How did u find it? Lucky guessing in G-KW tool?
     
  8. Cad01

    Cad01 Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2010
    Messages:
    472
    Likes Received:
    152
    Hi, it looks you found a gem, but i would advise you to put some more content on it, 1 page it's too short specially if your going to monetize it with adsense. Good luck.
     
  9. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    Its not really an insurance niche, wrong choice of words.. Its more of a 'tax/morgage type calculator', think in that direction ;)

    Spent a few hours blazing and spacing out with G-KW tool, found some niches and researched them, finally decided this was worth a shot.

    #1&2 are official gov sites, way too many good links to outcompete, would also probably set off alarms.
     
  10. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    Two of the other pages are only a few pages. I will probably add some more content tonight.
     
  11. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    Quick update with some things that are going on :

    Still @ position #7
    More and more profile links are getting indexed

    Pagerank update today! From 0 to 3 !

    [​IMG]


    Aug 04 -

    Created 2 new pages, one of them is actually usefull and can be used to calculate certain taxes. I ripped it off the official gov site, but who cares, everyone seems to be doing that ;P

    Placed links on the index page to the official government site @ #1,2 since I'm not going to outrank them any time soon.

    Made sure internal linking was correctly targeting my main keyword by replacing 'home' at the top of the page with my main keyword.

    Blast of 1500 URLS with my own special tool (many thanks go out to a certain person on BHW, you know who you are ;))
    All directed at index.html, about 30 anchor texts, all pretty long tail and random shit.

    I will call it 'tool X'.

    All URLS are PR1-6 and ********. Hardly spammed. All I can tell you about these links is that its a comment of some kind and hardly anyone knows about it :)


     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2011
  12. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    Strange this. Been blasting away, none of my links are getting indexed. The first scrapebox blast instantly stuck, now maybe 10 links are getting indexed a day :/

    [​IMG]

    Back down to position ten, I'm actually thinking that adding pages might have hurt me somehow.
     
  13. WhiteCrown

    WhiteCrown Newbie

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2011
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    2
    What tool do you use to check link popularity/crawling. Please PM me.

    Thanks :)
     
  14. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    I'm not sure what you mean by link popularity and crawling? I never ping any of my links, just let them get found naturally.
     
  15. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    [​IMG]

    After a week of steady and slow decline, I jumped thismorning to #6. I'm quite excited as I was getting about 20 clicks per day already on the #10 spot. Time to add adsense!

    [​IMG]


    Things I've been doing during past week :

    Randomly blasting my own dutch footprint lists, all scraped with 'Time span search' set to 3 months in scrapebox. Seem to have much more success spamming new blogs than old.

    Changed my anchor texts, used only related keywords from : http://labs.google.com/sets
     
  16. saxgod

    saxgod Regular Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2010
    Messages:
    351
    Likes Received:
    337
    Probably a stupid question, but where can you see these graphs for a website ? or did you make this yourself ?

     
  17. robibrk

    robibrk Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2009
    Messages:
    321
    Likes Received:
    121
    saxgod: It is from Market Samurai.

    To the OP: Nice thread, i am doing also some case study (search for my thread-joust started it today) at sightly different way. I had no luck with direct SB blasts, but will keep my eye on your progress.
     
  18. johndea

    johndea Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2011
    Messages:
    308
    Likes Received:
    35
    This was a blog in dutch? How much English was on the site?

    Was most of your traffic local, i.e. from google.nl?

    What is a -50?



    Aren't vietnam and thailand much cheaper than the netherlands?
     
  19. turbohacker

    turbohacker Regular Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2010
    Messages:
    479
    Likes Received:
    127
    nice thread, I will be coming back regularly to see how you get on :)
     
  20. ghengis_khan

    ghengis_khan Regular Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2010
    Messages:
    339
    Likes Received:
    527
    Location:
    mongolian plains
    None, it's all in Dutch.

    Yes, 95% of traffic is from Holland


    When one of your sites gets an algorithmic penalty and drops X number of pages (in this case 5) and basically sticks there. In webmaster tools it usually shows '-50' or some other ridiculous round number beside your keyword. The site i talked about is still sitting still between positions #51-55 :p (corresponds to where it was ranking before the penalty)


    They are, but all my income was from adsense and some other small projects. I decided it would be smarter to go home and grind my way back to the top. Here I could always fall back on familly and friends if the worst came to the worst, even get a normal job. In Thailand I basically would have been fucked.