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Private Blog Network vs. Web 2.0's

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by smp34, Mar 15, 2012.

  1. smp34

    smp34 Newbie

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    Hey guys,

    First of all lets get some definitions out of the way:
    • When I say "Private Blog Network" I refer to having multiple niche related blogs of your own which are hosted on different C Class IP addresses. You are therefore going to buy high PR, expired, and niche-related domains - and pay for hosting.
    • When I say "Web 2.0's" I refer to websites such as Squidoo, where you have a large amounts of user-generated content for free. Your Web 2.0's however would specifically be related to the niche.
    Essentially both of these provide the same thing. Contextual backlinks.

    My first question is:
    Which of these two are better quality link sources if your intention is to link to a single website that you own in that specific niche? I think that the goal is for each of the blogs or Web 2.0's to gain some authority in the niche, so that when you link to your main website, it represents a strong backlink.

    My second question is:
    How can you increase the authority of either your blogs or your Web 2.0's? Social bookmarking? Directory submissions? I am not talking about any form of short-term blasting or that kind of stuff. It is more interseting to learn what are some valid long term strategies, don't you think?

    I did spend some time searching for this before posting these questions. I did not feel as though the questions were sufficiently answered so I decided to make my own post.
     
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  2. tonyp

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    I read somewhere (in bhw I believe) that a lot of private blog networks were slapped hard by G.

    personally, I'm not going to try using private networks at all. I think 2.0's is the way to go. but then again, who knows? :/
     
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    You should be using both for link diversity so question 1 was doesn't really have any relevance as its not one or the other if you want to do well and rank long term
     
  4. smp34

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    Well the thing is:
    Having your own hosted blog (private blog) and using a free, open platform blogging website such as Squidoo (Web 2.0) is the same type of link. It is a contextual link.

    Why are you talking about link diversity then?
     
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    No, you are talking about large "private" blogs like High PR Society and LinkVine.. They have huge amounts unrelated blog posts with heavy spinning submitted by their paid users. I am talking about running your own blog with high quality niche related posts - big difference.
     
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    Diverse IP, diverse platforms....
     
  7. tony23

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    OP you are talking about a 'pumper' site network, I have seen a competitor use this with good results, but costs a bit for hosting and domains and there is risk of a footprint if you aren't careful, even private whois might not be effective, Im starting to wonder if G00gle has accsess to CC records to see who bought domains.
    Web 2.0s are free and diverse with no footprint if you use different emails etc.
    I would do a bit of both...
     
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    Both are great but to be done right Private Networks are expensive. Web 2.0's with bio's, a user pic added and at least 2 posts so it's not a 1 page tumblr spam (obvious google footprint) can be done with just your time if you don't have a lot of money.

    If you do have the money to buy and outsource everything, then do both! The more high quality diversity you can create, the better protected you will be.

    Besides, there can be no direct answer to your question as Google has 30 - 60 updates every month. A well ran private network is about as powerful as it gets but tomorrow it could be Web 2.0's and a week later it could be PBN's again. The difference between them is minimal however when they are both done correctly.
     
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  9. smp34

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    Tony, a "pumper site network" is exactly what I am talking about! Cheers. It appears the consensus about this method is that it works great for representing sustainable high quality backlinks.

    And it looks like the answer to my question, based on all your responses, is that pumper sites are fine, although its good to maintain at least a few Web 2.0's just for the sake of diversifying the mediums I use to create backlinks. Also, would be a good backup incase I leave a footprint on my pumper sites via some hard to cover tracks like domain registration details.

    Thanks guys.

    Now the second question, what is an effective backlinking strategy for pumper sites and web 2.0 properties? Let's forget about any short term blasting strategies like mass blog commenting with Scrapebox. We all know those are a recipe for disaster.
     
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    I would go slow, get them indexed through a forum link, then bookmarked, add a few blog comments, manually or dripped, throw in a wiki or two and make sure your 'pumper' sites link out to 'authority' related niches not just your site.

    Long term and a few profile links and EDUs, don't go mad.;)
     
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    need to know more about this . I got hold of more web2.0's than I can chew , so How could these be used with churn and burn sites .

    Moreover web2.0 's with PR but no pa/da aka links carry any weight ?
     
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    The two are basically the same thing.

    A "private blog network" property is essentially just a "Web 2.0" property (or any property really) that has been juiced up and has good PR already.

    So one is already there, and the other one is on its way there.

    They are just different ways to get to the same destination in terms of set-up, cost etc.
     
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    Private Blog Networks (if set up the right way) are way too superior than 2.0s. Otherwise, if your budget doesn't permit, use 2.0s.
     
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    There is imho a lot of nonsense comments being spread here (no names)

    Don't believe that pumper sites and PBN's are both the 'same' and that they are just contexual backlinks.
    That is pure rubbish, as your private domains are going to give you authority links as well as contexual, plus you get the link juice flowing to your money site that is already flowing to the pbn site.
    Pumpers are mostly useless, apart from pumping link juice at your money site, without having to spam your money site, that is it, plain and simple.

    Also they help discount your spam score in Google's eyes

    Remember, PBN's links that are sold on BHW are not Private Blog Networks, they are PUBLIC blog networks, because anyone in the publican can use them. A truly private one is the one only you know about.

    So here is what to do

    1) Set up your PBN, its worth it
    2 ) Set up fifty pumper sites, but make sure you hire different providers to avoid footprints.
    3) Those are your Tier 1 links, plus get some manual commenting and do some white hat.
    4) Set up 200 pumper sites at your tier 2, to protect your tier 1's.
    5) Smash the living t*ts out of your tier 2 with backlinks, those pumper sites will juice up your tier 1
    6) Maintain your Tier 1's, and your Tier 2's by paying someone $2.00 per site to go in and add an article
    7) Make sure you get commenting done on your Tier 1 sites too
     
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    I think PBN will be good option if domain is high authority and it will created in the right way without having any footprints and hosted on different servers with different ip .

    it will surely better then web2.0.
     
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    A strong PBN link is better. PBN's are still one of the best ranking methods when done well.
     
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    This is an old thread as Squidoo is no longer active, but the concept is still the same and PBNs would always be better if you acquire good domains.
     
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    PBNs links are better, but 1) more expensive, and 2) more subject to Google's aggressive detection efforts and penalization. As advised by others, don't 'buy' a so-called private blog network unless it was properly created just for you, otherwise make it yourself.

    The annual cost of holding and managing multiple PBNs can pile up between domain, hosting, and SEO gig expenses. So those short on operating capital may want to just take the time to carefully build Web 2.0s that will probably be more durable, and less subject to a ban.
     
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    PBNs are stronger.

    You dont need to increase the authority - it's taking a risk when you dont have to (building more links, higher change those domains get slapped and you lose their link juice)

    Instead, just build a bigger network - that's why you buy domains with links already pointed to them - so you dont have to do it.