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PPD - survey vs. cold cash

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by Xdar123, Sep 24, 2013.

  1. Xdar123

    Xdar123 Newbie

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    PPD - Paid per download. I'm a big fan of the idea behind PPD. What I don't like are the surveys and how only few people are dumb enough to do these. So I was wondering if it wouldn't be more beneficial for both, customer and offerer, to cut out the surveys and replace that with something different, maybe even raw payment.
    Pros:
    - More people will download your stuff, in other words you gain customers and therefor income
    - You're able to set the download price
    - People won't download shitty add/maleware, which leads to more satisfaction (if the files are legit), which leads to positive feedback, which leads to more customers
    - Survey revenue will get bigger for all those who stick with traditional PPD

    Of course the raw cash method already exists. You could just go to ebay and sell your stuff etc. but there's a few problems with that.
    1. You aren't anonym. Ebay, Paypal or whatever, they all show your personal information.
    2. Chargebacks if they pay with Paypal, which they most likely will do since it's the easiest and most common way to pay. (Good luck defending your right on selling whatever you provided in the download, especially when it's aviable for free and work from someone else).
    3. Wherever you provide the download link, people could share that link and get stuff for free DIRECTLY. Pasword protection or link deletion don't solve the problem, and afaik there's no "download once" website, which would lead into the problem when the customer aborts the download and wants to access the file again, he simply can't. P2P system might be a solution, but surely it's quite risky.
    4. Blog method won't work (CPA Content lock), read second last sentence on point 3.

    What I imagine is just a PPD site where you can host your files and get about 90% profit from the download revenue. People that would like to download your files simply could just pay (the best thing ever would be Credit Card payment) and get directed to the on the PDD site hosted download, whereas in the meantime you recieve the money. Maybe add an Account Creation option so people can save their payment info and report files etc.

    I know this idea is far away from a flawless, but I'm just posting here to hear you guys opinion about it and to discuss.
    Do you think surveys are better than cold cash for download system? Is there something that might replace the shady surveys?
     
  2. Bokva

    Bokva Regular Member

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    Well, it's already hard enough to make visitors complete surveys to get it for FREE, so to make them PAY - you have to do wonders. Average EPC would be about $0.0001...
     
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    And what happens with fake files and chargebacks? Think about it its impossible to keep everything legit.
     
  4. Bokva

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    Right. Because PPD is nice filter between user and you when you do fake files, and if you want to do whitehat only, you can setup your own store and sell legit stuff you made yourself. Or go clickbank. :) Basically, you can't sell other people stuff.
     
  5. Xdar123

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    I beg to differ. If everything looks really legit, I think more people are actually willing to pay than doing a survey nowdays.
    The chargebacks are indeed a problem. I'm still looking for a widely accepted payment form where this is not possible. Fake Files can be reported, but you're right, that doesn't solve the problem. Due the fact people actually pay REAL money they also have more possibilities to complain and maybe even sue the PPD hosters.
     
  6. black101

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    some guys are making over $100 per day with ppd.

    they is always new kids coming on the internet and looking for hacks and cheats.

    not many niches can monetize ppd
     
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    Sounds like a really nice idea, I think I've seen CPA/PPD sites which ask the user to either use a survey OR pay with PayPal?
     
  8. Xdar123

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    Another idea I totally forgot to mention. Something similar to crowdfunding. Lets say, you have something people really want, and since it's so hard to HWID lock content and even that can and most likely will be ripped, why even bother? So, lets just say, you tell them: "Guys, I need/want 500$ in total and I will release my product free to everyone. If you actually paid for it, you get special privileges like support or something" (just like the kickstarter system).

    Of course you really need something the masses desperately want, but if seen so many shit funded in the last few months, I think it might actually work. Remember that "9 Year Old Builds Her First RPG" feminist scam that was posted on kickstarter? 24.534 funded for a kid browsing Naruto pictures on google, fuck I'm still mad, and kickstarter didn't do nothing.
     
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  9. thetraveller

    thetraveller Senior Member

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    Its a difference between "something the masses desperately want" and "something the masses desperately want FOR FREE". If they have the will to pay they will not visit your links anyway, they end shopping for that thing.

    Surveys are a kind of well planned trap, and directed trough surveys, people sometimes end up paying without even being fully aware of it.
     
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  10. mrtwister_65

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    Its already exists: uploading sites, where download links only shared to premium account holders.

    Just start your own uploading site with that working model, where you can charge on basis of per number of downloads or monthly membership.
     
  11. Xdar123

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    Yeah that makes sense, but there must be a better alternative to normal PPD surveys.
    Like AdWorkMedia, they have more options and more surveys on their content locker, so that's a step in the right direction.


    I think I know an example, please correct me if I'm wrong. filmmaking.com.vn for example hosts all their downloads on fshare.vn, but you can download still regualy non premium, while the only restriction is 1 download at time and about 300Kb/s speed.
    I dont get how that should make people buy premium, I'm totally fine with those restrictions actually. Also, starting your own uploading site is way too much work and actually you need to invest.
     
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    I prefer cold hard cash, I think most people would rather pay than have to fill out a stupid survey that is going to ask them for there personal info, and then you don't have to worry about any company skimming your profits, but that's just me.
     
  13. citizenx28

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    You can set up mobile payment system.
    They will sms & then recieve a code which will unlock the link to download.
    Mobile payment system is less likely to show your information.

    What you think?