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ppc Arbitrage

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by shawn_23, Nov 17, 2007.

  1. shawn_23

    shawn_23 Registered Member

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    Hi ,
    Im new to ppc arbitrage and after reading Google Payload im not quite sure where to start with this . Is their quality info on the subject i can get , any advice or tips would help ,thanks !!!

    Nick
     
  2. rannybo

    rannybo Junior Member

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    To my understanding arbitrage is no more than setting up a ppc account whether it be Adwords or Yahoo and bid on keywords with little to no competition but nice stream of searches for over the internet. Im a firm believer in not bidding on keywords that are not getting any kind of traffic. What's the point of bidding on "Bad fishing habits" when the phrase has "never" been typed ,whatsoever, into the any search engine for results (Google Adword keyword tool/Overture keyword selector).

    Plus, from what it sounds like, all you do is find high paying keywords for adsense publishing on your website. I heard of plenty of people who makes 1,000's of dollars using this technique but also heard of plenty of get there adsense accounts deactivated or banned. Proceed with caution and if you do like to give it a shot, just make sure that you have unique templates and your website don't give off MFA(Made for Adsense) as soon as someone visits your website.

    So basically you're paying for traffic to your website in hoping that one of those visitors wil click on an adsense ad on your website.
     
  3. premvb6

    premvb6 Regular Member

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    hi, i am new to ppc arbitrage
    plz teach me
     
  4. Peterboro

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    I'm new to PPC also. Looking for good information.
     
  5. Zso

    Zso BANNED BANNED

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    I have a little experience with ppc arbitrage and I can tell you one thing:
    if you go after google payload and buy traffic from goclick.com, expect to crappy traffic and bad CTR.

    Ive lost some money on it, but there are a few people who succeeded with it. I think it depends on your niche, ads placement, and content.
     
  6. beautymakessense

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    Aribtrage is alot more complex then it sounds, the general explanation is easy to understand. To have major success requires alot of effort and understanding. You are going to have to research keywords and niche that are still lucrative, and not overdone. Which means your going to have to get creative with the items you are choosing to promote. Look around next time you are out, there are almost an infinite number of products that you could promote. Be unique, design a website that looks like it wouldnt be a scam and harmful to a customer. People are spending the money that they worked for, internet scams and fraud have been in the media for some time now, and people are somewhat aware of the risks. If your site looks unprofessional, people wont respect the information and close the window.
     
  7. Nancy

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    There were such bad reviews of Google Payload and so many questions that Alex put together some additional videos to help fill in the gaps, especially for the beginner. If we could get downloads for that, I think it would be a help. I haven't seen anyone mention these videos here though.
     
  8. frivvy89

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    The key concept is to find high paying keywords. In the video it states that upspiral.com is using these types of keywords in their categories. Which is a good start. Then bid low for similar keywords on ppc search engines like goclick, 7search etc. Where the minimum bid is like 0.01 - 0.05 per click. I would suggest not using adwords if you're starting out. You will go broke.
     
  9. webhat

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    In a way all websites are doing arbitrage,
    trying to get traffic with low cost,
    and hopefully the traffic will earn more than its cost.

    I offer you another way of arbitrage.
    Buys traffic from other ad networks like adbrite which is typically cheaper than google,
    and send them to adsense or even ypn sites and make some money from the arbitrage.
    The key is to find sites on these ad networks which offers you good traffic
    in your niche at a low cost.
    But this may be easier than playing with adwords.
     
  10. nicho

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    Hi Guys, reading this thread has made me realise that there is so much bad information out there and before you all get upset let me qualify what l mean....

    Alex Goad of googlepayload didn't give any bad information in his ebook and videos, the people who gave him bad press just let their mouths run off without any data or proof to prove him right or wrong.

    PPC is like any other discipline on the internet, you just cannot short cut or fast track this stuff, you have to really do your homework and then start small and test everything and every part of business until you know there is no guesswork at all.

    PPC is one of the most exciting and easy ways to make money on the internet as long as you learn your profession, stop listening to people who tell you is crap or people who are telling you its great, find out for yourself and learn everything properly , then apply your knowledge, stop looking for the fast easy buck, they only arrive when your really good at what you do or have a large list you can treat as a cash cow.

    If PPC didn't work do you think ruck and others would spend 20.000 per month on it, but they will tell you that they didn't risk that much at first, the good news is if you are spending that much on ppc you should be making a 100% approx return on your money.

    regards nicho
     
  11. Ruck

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    Or 200% if your good :)...

    The thing that pissed most people off about payload is that these products are hyped to no end. It ain't really his fault, I wouldn't expect him to give up his personal niches, however he made it really look fuckin easy didn't he with the arbitrage...

    HAHA...Go over to Goclick and try this yourself. I have deep pockets, and am very aggressive and I will throw money at the fuckin walls if I think I can at least recoup later on down the road. Sadly not the case on the engine that he so calledly loves...Nah conquering the 2nd tiers can be done, because I have done and I do it. However when he revealed that engine I nearly shit myself from laughing to hard. Anyone with half a Pay per click marketing brain knew right off the bat that if he pumped you up about that engine, it would surely keep you off his real gravy for awhile.

    You can read every PPC book on the planet and while it may give you some general knowledge to roll with, your likely to get your ass handed to you when you first jump in.

    It's taken me almost 2 years now to spend $15-$25K a month and that is only my ad spend. I have spent tons of money hiring programmers to take API's off of affiliate programs and have them make me programs that allowed me to scan the product listings and then Google results to find competitors and avoid them. Take on hiring out landing page and site designers, we are looking at some pretty hefty payouts just to fund our business.

    But dammit, when you get good at it, life is good.
     
  12. nicho

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    Well the good news is that l am a couple of years done the line with ppc and rucks dead right when you have dedicated scripts that can find the exact keywords someone is using you can't half have some fun with them. Better still if you run your own ppc search engines nicho
     
  13. MontyzPython

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    So you don't like GoClick? Maybe that's why I'm only breaking even. Granted, my landing page skills suck...but they're getting better. I had a fwe good days last week but I have yet to replicate it.
     
  14. Ruck

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    I happen to have some inside word on GoClick dude :)...

    If your doing arbi to contextual then this won't matter, however if you ever tried CPC to CPA on GoClick and tracked where your traffic was coming from then you would know that you get a lot of bot and foreign traffic.

    Why play with GoClick when your only breaking even? There are tons of PPC services to try. Hell, Diabolik and I were talking last night and he found out I was pwning facebook...

    (If $4300 and over 8500 optins in 4 days is pwning) and he was up and running in no time. So much nicer when you can find in-house places to test than have to rely on these shitty 2 tier engines. You know when these engines were made, do you really think that the owners took a step back and said hey...we are getting 50,000 unique indians from WHEREVER..."wait that's too many, shut em down"....

    No. It was traffic and foreign traffic coming to their engines is still traffic. That's why they will never be the quality of the big 3. The big 3 sacrificed bullshit in the beginning to get a big enough edge to create a useful environment for the user.

    I tell you what though. GoClick has ALWAYS refunded me whenever I provided statistics so at least they ACKNOWLEDGE the fact that they have a lot of shitty traffic. +Rep in my book to them for at least being truthful.
     
  15. BuzzKill

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    I spent some time going over the referers from goclick, the traffic was shit. Pharm traffic didnt break even and casino traffic was a complete loss. When I went to check out some of the sites the ads were showing on, I found a bunch of click networks, and the best was a couple sites that were set up to look like google, one was even hot linking the google logo. Enhance does ok for me but the traffic is so little, its not worth it.
     
  16. nicho

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    Its interesting reading this thread, some ppc works for some , but not for others and it can also be done not just to the traffic but how well your landing page or pages convert, the niche your working etc etc.

    goclick like a lot of the 2nd and 3tier ppc engines also work the partner scheme of sharing traffic from different search engines for example goclick purchase a lot of their traffic from http://www.ampkeywords.com/ which used to be a dedicated ebay supplier until they decide to offer its services to everyone.

    I run my own dedicated Theme PPC search engines and can never please all of the people all of the time and when l have bothered to look at their websites and business have often found that they have constructed their promotions incorrectly, wrong keywords , page will not convert etc

    At the end of the day these guys either rebook traffic or go with someone else, but someone always replaces them and thats the same principle the big guys work as well................

    Just to end my little blurb when l have been asked to look at corporate brand name accounts and the budgets they spend on adwords, most of them could cut their bills greatly but the guys that they have placed their accounts with to place their ppc ads feed them shit and keep them in the dark , its called the mushroom method of adwords, because if they really picked the best keywords for the clients then they wouldnt be able to rip them off they way they do, in other words they just use financial muscle to pay for number one spot and anyone can do that....shit ppc leads or not nicho
     
  17. jayfluff

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    Great thread would be interested in updated info