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Planning to try out youtube + CB

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by GeorgeCarl, Feb 22, 2015.

  1. GeorgeCarl

    GeorgeCarl Junior Member

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    What are your thoughts on them 2015?

    I'm not a big fan of producing cheap videos with direct links to CB but I assume it's the best approach?
    My current idea is to link them to my website with a 400 word article + call to action, thoughts?
     
  2. Ambassy

    Ambassy BANNED BANNED

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    Unless you really create an awesome landing page I would suggest you to buy a good sounding domain name and redirect them directly to the offer through that.
    Depends on the landing page of the offer too of course - if it sucks then you could perhaps optimize it on your own but usually they're pretty optimized already.

    Note: I haven't been using clicking for almost 4 years (an I failed at CB). I'm mainly basing the advice on CPA redirects I've made.
     
  3. SEO Power

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    Churn and burn can never be the best approach. It's just useful for making some quick cash. Make sure you create some high quality videos alongside the CB ones and promote them with better strategies for long term gains.
     
  4. GroundUp

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    Focus on making quality videos. Cheap videos won't get seen and probably not get many clicks. Plus always make clear a strong call to action. If you want someone to click a link or visit your page which redirects then tell them.
     
  5. djw1606

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    He's asking about Clickbank, not Churn and Burn.
     
  6. sergey007

    sergey007 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I do not how it works today, but a few years ago I made good money promoting WOW leveling guides on youtube and linking videos with my landing pages.
     
  7. Sweely

    Sweely Registered Member

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    Cheap videos on YouTube is not the best approach. The complete opposite is. I'm speaking from experience trying to promote CB products on YT!
     
  8. I-marketer

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    Fiverr testimonials still work for promoting CB products. YT brings quality and cheap traffic, but ranking is harder nowadays.
    If you decide to choose this way, I'd suggest to start journey thread. Haven't seen many in recent months, which is a shame.
     
  9. acidol2

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    This.
    When done right, (making an awesome script and choosing a good actor) you can produce a very realistic and amazing video for clickbank and youtube.
    Ranking is harder nowadays though, so do not, for the love of god, send in spammy links to your youtube video lol. They will do more harm than you think haha.

    I still have my old journey thread, that I put on hold, since I'm working on something else and my videos wont rank for shit because of the spammy links i bought in the past. So I need to spend money on more quality pbn links. GG.
     
  10. Megha120

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    I think this may work you should open a journey thread with this and keep us updated.
     
  11. chickensalad

    chickensalad Registered Member

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    The best way to find out is to try your ideas when you get them.

    Some of the things I'm banking from - if I asked people first, they'd suggest I avoid it. But here we are...
     
  12. BreaknBrix

    BreaknBrix Power Member

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    I'm not so sure it's the spam that is the problem. I have videos I ranked more than 2 years ago with spam that still bobble between the top 6 of the SERPS. Sometimes they even drop down to 8 then a week later they're up at 3.

    What I DID notice is the large majority of my previously ranking YT videos just disappeared. But here's the catch, NO VIDEOS came around to replace them.

    And furthermore, the ones that are still ranking are ranking purely based on spam.

    So this is how I honestly see it.

    I know for a fact based on the case study I did back in 2014, that between Jan 2014 to Aug 2014 Google demoted 64% of all YT videos from the SERPS. That was based on a sample size of a little more than 10,000 CB money keywords. Although many of the keywords could have monetized with other platforms like CPA.

    What I personally saw happen was Google outright DEVALUED YT videos.

    And here is what I find even more interesting. That 64% number... that's pretty damn close to how many videos I lost (on Google although many still rank #1 on YT). In fact, I'm so confident about this number I'd venture to say the following: ANY CB marketer who was doing really well in late 2013 and the first half of 2014, lets say 1 marketer had 10 videos on page 1 and another had 100 videos on page 1. I'd venture to bet the first guy lost at least 6-7 of his videos and the second guy lost at least 60-70 of his videos.

    A sample size of more than 10,000 to me is very strong. And based on what I've seen it's not the spammy links that don't work anymore. They still work for FB pages, YT videos, and other parasite platforms. I know this not cause I've ranked any YT videos recently (I have ranked FB pages). But if I run my bot, I can still find YT videos ranking in the top 3 that were spammed with GSA in the last few months.

    The real issue as far as YT and CB goes, in my honest opinion - Google didn't devalue spam, they devalued YT videos as a whole.

    I had videos marked in my list that were ranked with PBN links and still lost their ranks during the 2014 video sweep.

    And here is some more crazy shit. Before saying "spam doesn't work anymore" you have to ask yourself "what exactly is spam"? Cause early in 2014 when I saw I was losing videos I thought the same thing, "spam ain't working anymore". But then I noticed this very weird trend. The few videos I still had ranking, I realized "those were videos where I manually took my time to spin my articles". It's like the deeper you dig, the more unanswered questions there are.

    The logic in my mind basically goes like this:

    1) I know for a fact that Google devalued 64% of YT videos in early 2014. If I was tracking a different pool of 10,000 video keywords ranking on page 1, that number may have been 59%, it might have been 70%, but overall I feel confident it would have been around 64%.

    2) WHAT triggered this whole shitstorm? Could it have been part of YT's Dec 2013 anti-spam / anti-click fraud campaign? Yes. Because they announced that shit in Dec 2013 on every media outlet you can imagine. Stockholders were complaining and a spokesperson from YT said: "We're on a campaign to stop fake click providers and ramp up our spam algorithm". I rarely see YT make announcements like that on MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, thousands of different radio stations, etc but they got that message out loud and clear. I'm sure that put their stockholders at ease. Then Jan 2014 the real campaign and sweep began.

    3) We know 1 strong aspect of this sweep were the updates they did to their retention view algo. We saw the shockwaves of that update when virtually 98% of retention view suppliers were slaughtered in the course of a couple of months.

    4) We also know they expanded their staff to conduct exponentially more manual reviews. Videos that break copyright are taken down much faster now. Videos that do too much direct selling are taken down much faster now. But that's easy to get around just by soft selling and making really nice videos.

    5) The x factor. WHY were those 64% of YT videos demoted from G SERPS? That's the most important question I can only speculate about. I noticed most the videos I lost were linking to autospun content that was completely unreadable. Then the few that didn't lose rank were linking to spun content that was done well and perfectly readable. This could have been a complete coincidence however. Cause I ALSO lost a few videos where I did proper spins (very minimal). Either way, this is what I really think happened. I think Google outright devalued YT videos REGARDLESS of what types of links they had, spam, high quality spam, PBN links, etc. I really believe Google thought, "if we just devalue and derank a large majority of YT videos that 1 change will obliterate most YT spammers".

    There really is so much shit that can be said about this. You can examine it from a shareholder or profits POV. To someone like myself, it seems very weird that Google would devalue a property it owns.

    That means less organic traffic to YT as a whole from G serps.

    However, it also means less shit videos cluttering up the serps. Less fake view providers. Stockholders who feel more confident, etc.

    Does "less videos" = higher quality content in the SERPS? Honestly, I'd wager to bet YES.. that's exactly what it meant back then. Youtube was being abused like no other platform I know of in late 2013. You could train a monkey to do it. And when I go back to check a lot of old YT money keywords, I don't see videos that replaced them on page 1, I see large brands, health brands, finance brands, etc and higher quality sites in general. I still see garbage. But overall it looks like the strategy worked.

    For anyone who's read this far, does this mean YT+CB is over?

    Only way I could answer that is:

    1) It's 64% over for spammers who wanna rank videos on page 1 of G (based on Google SERP data)
    2) It's 98% over for spammers who wanna boost their vids with fake RV's (this was prior to Big Buddy cause I have no idea how well his views are working).
    3) It's 98% over for people who wanna rank within YT using nothing other than fake RV's (again, saying this prior to Big Buddy relaunching his service).
    4) It's 0% over for whitehat marketers, viral marketers, and intelligent marketers who know how to leverage BH techniques perfectly with WH techniques to make money with youtube.

    I know I can find a low competition YT niche with a video already ranking in the top 5 of G (they still exist). I can most likely buy some RV's from big buddy, set up a high quality GSA campaign, order some blog comments from lover ... maybe even some PBN links and rank. Problem is, I'd have to target a lot more keywords overall, make much better videos, a lot more videos and spend a lot more money to get the same results.

    That's why I'm thinking that launch jacking would be a much smarter way to go. Or buying expired / aged domains and just ranking in untapped niches with PBN links. It's not as easy as YT use to be, but just 1 site can make you $200-$300 / day. Like eveneven... dude just made $2500 in 1 day on CB using a domain he ranked in a finance niche. That's the type of shit I'm looking into now.

    -BB
     
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  13. acidol2

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    BB, I feel you on that. I read all that shit and grasped it.

    I also remember seeing that thread you posted a while back analyzing the huge devaluation wave that hit all the youtube videos. Had me thinking back then.

    I even noticed it myself when it first happened.

    Gonna have to keep digging till I find out some more shit. But I'm definitely keeping this at the top of my list of shit to think on about.

    Regarding what I said about spam and what not; I have a video thats been fucking with me in the video serps of google. Just dancing around on page 3 -5. I think its finally almost ready to replace the video in the serps. Just another slap of pbn links should do it hopefully. (Currently in the middle of page 1)

    Maybe age could also be a factor as to why it aint replace the other video ranking atm. Not sure.

    But all in all, this is interesting shit. Once I'm done with my other project, and get back into youtube and clickbank definitely gonna have work to do.