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Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by jimbodmit, Nov 6, 2015.

  1. jimbodmit

    jimbodmit Junior Member

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    Regarding Petirthunder, his BST http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...mited-post-increase-your-engagement-rate.html

    Three days into an order, he refunds me. Tells me it's due to technical issues.
    Then he tells me he wants to work with me, a JV.
    I divulge my ability to market effectively.
    He stops responding, tells me to give him time.
    I ask him to reinstate my order in the meantime, but he does not.
    Later, I find he is running the same campaign I was running.
    I say this on his BST.
    He says he cancelled my order as I broke his terms and conditions. Not true.

    Then, after being publically outed, he opens a thread claiming that the campaign he ripped from his customer is a public experiment. I see this as a desperate attempt to save himself from being shitlisted.

    Then by skype he tells me that he cancelled my order as I was hassling him too much, despite the fact that his skype status mentions he has 230+ messages due to downtime, and his thread is full of posts saying he is uncontactable.

    I messaged him a few times to find out when I would get full delivery of what I paid for, and to ask about downtime. Nothing unreasonable, considering we keep seeing his status changing from Online to Away several times, and we are paying customers, waiting with no updates on his thread or anything.

    He has so far given 3 different reasons for cancelling my order, as you can see in this image:
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    I maintain the facts. He cancelled my order for no justifiable reason. Then ran the same campaign as me. These are the raw facts of what happened.

    He is trying to justify it after being publically exposed, by saying he cancelled my order for breaking his terms and conditions. And now, after being outed, that the campaign he is running is a "public experiment".

    You can look at his BST, from page 6 onwards. I will stop posting to his BST. You can see the only thing he consistently does is lie and change his story. The facts do not change. You can see on his BST, he does not deny cancelling my running order. But I've demonstrated he has lied about the reason. You can also see on the BST that he does not deny running my campaign, but he claims instead that he was running it long before and that it's an experiment.

    Are we really expected to believe this? There are many holes in his story. Again, the raw facts. He cancels my campaign, and runs the same one after realising that I was doing it successfully.

    I know of two threads he's had deleted, one for promoting his services, and the other for posting information on how to ban competitors' accounts.

    Mods, is this behaviour acceptable from a seller?
    Will we see him banned?
    Should this kind of person be allowed to sell on a trusted forum?

    Finally, I'm accused of threatening him and doxing him. I haven't done either. I didn't post his public details anywhere, despite the fact he is very public about who he is. Full disclosure, in a moment of anger I told him I would inform the police in his country about his admitted drug use. I'm sure you can understand it was said in a moment of anger, borne out of utter frustration at his responses in his thread. I'm also sure no one is going to claim that it's illegal to report someone's illegal activities to the authorities either. For the record, I wouldn't do it, nor did I think he took it seriously (he laughed in response). But this scumbag doesn't belong in this forum.

    I'm about to go travelling until Monday, unsure of my online status, so apologies in advance if I cannot respond quickly.

    Please, there's a lot of information on his BST, page 6 onwards especially. But I think I covered it all here.
     
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  2. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Thread approved, accused member has been notified and has until Monday night to respond.
     
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  3. petirthunder

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  4. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    @petirthunder

    a) Is your "public experiment" thread using the hashtags that were on jimbodmit 's order?

    b) Quality of customer service is a big factor on the Marketplace. To put it plainly, if you don't convince me that you are responsible enough to have a BST, you won't have one. So don't try to gloss over things, it won't work.

    c) When we remove a thread, we leave notes for future reference to other staff members - so don't think you're being smart here, I see exactly why the threads got removed.

    Waiting for you to answer (a) before we continue.
     
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  5. petirthunder

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  6. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Forget the referral links - the hashtags is what I am asking. Is the public experiment using the hashtags from his order?
     
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  8. petirthunder

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    On second thought.

    Yes i admit that i am guilty, and jimbodwit never threaten me.
    I'm doing it all on purpose just to mess with him and now i felt bad.

    i stole his campaign and use it as my campaign, using all his instagram hashtag to post my photos and cover it as an experiment.

    sorry.
     
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  9. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    You seem a bit bipolar in your actions, so I will ask you - do you stick with this statement?
     
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  10. Ohboyj

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    How do we get refunds?
     
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  11. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    What do you mean?
     
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  12. jimbodmit

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    Well, he's edited/removed his previous posts, so perhaps he's realised that the defense he constructed was full of holes, and that he was better off coming clean. Sadly, the damage towards me has already been done:

    1. I was betrayed by a seller whose service was working for me. Now I can no longer use/trust that service to promote my campaign(s). All the work I put in on the basis of this service is useless now.

    2. He publicised this particular campaign on the forum as a public experiment - sure, any campaign you run is always publicly visible, but we all know once you share a method like this on BHW, it's over. His thread (which doubly serves to promote his service) is still open. And indeed he continues to run the campaign on Instagram.

    3. He tried to tarnish my reputation on the forum, and you can see from the BST that he went as far as gathering other affiliates (also customers of his) from the particular affiliate network to report false accusations about me to the network owners in exchange for extra services.

    I'm sorry but I can't take his remorse at face value. He had the opportunity to rectify this situation before I posted on his BST. He had the opportunity to rectify it after I posted on his BST. He had the opportunity to answer honestly in this SL earlier. But he chose to lie all the way through until he got backed into a corner. He's not bipolar, he's just a liar that realised he got busted. Surely it's going to look bad for him whether he retracts his statement or sticks by it? He's shown his dishonesty already. If he felt genuinely sorry, why hasn't he contacted me to try to make amends for the crap he pulled on his customer? One who actually lent him a friendly ear, gave him helpful advice, and took the time to be understanding despite him disappearing for a week without delivering the full amount of follows and likes. He has my Skype.. where's the personal, man-to-man apology? Or is this just a public apology for show?

    As it stands, I see his last post as a desperate attempt to salvage what he can. It's not my decision of course, but I feel I have the right to voice the opinion that I don't think he deserves to be a member here, let alone sell here. It's too little, too late.
     
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  13. petirthunder

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    im not going to give anymore further statement... do what you have to do jazzcthx
     
  14. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Let me remind everyone about Shitlist Rule #4 (see the sticky).
     
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    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    @petirthunder If you are willing to somehow fix the damage you caused to jimbodmit in a way he is satisfied, you will be able to avoid the ban. Let me know soon.
     
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    yes as long as the request and demand is in my capability i would do it as i could..
     
  17. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    @jimbodmit What actions can petirhunder take to make amends with you for the damage he has caused you?
     
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  18. Nemylus

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    What happens to current (and new potential) customers regarding your service? As far as I know your likes stopped, however your customers paid for one year. So will it be up and working again soon or are you going to refund the money?

    That's no hate at all, I'm just asking for all your current customers, one of which is a good friend of mine. Moreover, in case you're able to fix everything and don't get banned, I think there are still quite some people who would be interested in your service.
     
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  19. jimbodmit

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    @jazzc,

    I am a very forgiving person. I believe people can regret their poor choices, and there is usually a way to make amends.

    However, jazzc, I find that there are certain things which seem at odds with his apparent willingness to make amends and show remorse.

    Perhaps you could give us your 2 cents to make sense of this, because I can't:

    At 11.47 AM yesterday, he admitted his guilt in this SL, and reconfirmed it at 9.40 PM. Yet he continues with the "experiment" he admits was a cover: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...xperiment-top-hashtag-you-all-would-jury.html
    Please note the timestamp of his last post, 10.47 PM, 11 hours after he admitted that this wasn't an experiment, and note what he says in that thread. Screenshot below:

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    He continues to use that thread, which he already admits is not an experiment, and was a cover to "mess with me", as a way of promoting his top hashtag service. You might think there's no issue, since his BST is no longer active. However, please note in the following image I'm hovering over the banner in his signature (check the URL in the bottom left of image):

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    And here is a screenshot of the site it links to, lo and behold, the same service as his BST, hosted elsewhere:

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    Furthermore, he is continuing the campaign on instagram (which he refers to in the above thread).
    Please check https://instagram.com/itsmeagainguys/
    Since admitting his guilt and saying "sorry", he has posted over 60 photos to continue the campaign. His last post was just 15 minutes ago at the time of writing this, as you can see in this screenshot:

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    Does this behaviour, which all comes after his admission of guilt, make any sense to you jazzc?
    Do you believe anything he says? And do you believe if we come to an arrangement, he will fulfill it?

    Hands-down, I wish he was genuine, and I wish we could work together.

    As it stands, I think I'd be insane to believe anything he says. He's apologised and admitted the accusation here, yet continues with his "experiment".... where I come from, we describe this behaviour as "taking the royal piss" out of me, out of you, out of the SL process, and out of this community.

    What do you think jazzc? Honest question.
    I'm all ears, and even willing to hear petirthunder out if he wants to explain himself.

    P.S. I already reported that clearly self-promotional thread, not quite sure why it's still alive. It's self promotional and he already admitted in this thread the real purpose of his "experiment".
     
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  20. jimbodmit

    jimbodmit Junior Member

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    Since all he can do is "Thank" my last post in response, let me drive the final nail in the coffin he's eager to lie in.

    Here is another post with him promoting another of his own services outside of the for sale section, this time selling SIM cards (on thread http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ource-sim-cards-when-creating-accounts.html):
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    The guy just obviously doesn't care. He thinks he's above everything, and is dragging out the SL process to give himself more opportunities to post his banner and services over this forum. Sad to see he's screwed over all the customers that subscribed to his 1 year service too... yet continues to provide likes for "his" campaign, no wait, "experiment"... and on multiple accounts (yes, I found more). I guess he will justify it by telling himself that they all have been "hassling his wife" too.

    He has some serious ego issues.... the choice of images he continues to promote with shows just how deep his self-infatuation and narcissism runs:
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    Insane... So let him be "everywhere" and "so fabulous", just not in BHW. The guy is a habitual piss-taker. Wish I could help him, but he's insisting on continuing down the path of self destruction. What a waste.... hope it was worth it, petirthunder. Take this advice from someone who's been in this game 10 times longer than you have. You don't have the mental capacity or imagination required for marketing. I'd say stick to being a service provider, but you can't even do that properly. Truly tragic...

    @jazzc, there is nothing he can do to make amends. Let the mods strike down upon him with the holy ban hammer with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy their brothers.
     
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