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What's up brother? Yeah, hit me up on Skype and we'll chat.
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What's up brother? Yeah, hit me up on Skype and we'll chat.
Burnttomanytimes
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John,
Matt here trying for 3 days now to get you on skype no reply as yet....
Matt here trying for 3 days now to get you on skype no reply as yet....
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I hit you back the the first day you pinged me. Remember you are around 12 hours ahead of me, so usually when you contact me it's 3-4 am in the morning.
Will add you here in a sec.
MediaConsult
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Hi your offer sounds great. I would like to promote 1 url but more keywords than what is offered within your package. can we work out something? looking forward to hearing from you. regards. Zohra
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Hit me up on Skype. We might be able to work something out.
Penumbra
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Just canceled my future payments, i lost 500$ with 0$ profit. Was 2 months with this service and he could not reach page 2. With this amount of money wasted i could buy links that could push me to page 1 under 1 month. Bad experience, i ordered this because i was busy to do SEO myself now i realize i was wrong.
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Sorry you had a bad experience with the service. You were on the monthly for $250 per month and targeting two terms with keyword volumes of 40,000 and 110,000 and highly competitive. Both terms have been moving up and down on the 5th and 6th page (it hasn't been a total of 2 months yet). As mentioned many times in this thread, you have to target terms appropriate to the corresponding plans. Or if you can't afford that kind of budget you should go with a lower plan, but also add your own supplemental link building.
Also, from here on out please contact me before you order. We are going to start being really picky about the sites we take on.
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Thanks for your interest. Sent you a PM.
hocuspocus32
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Review: Just Cancelling my payments drained $900 with absolutely no results at all. the Keywords given was not super hard or anything , out of the 12 keywords I have given him none moved . One keyword with 320 exact searches( now you know the competition) was at position 7 when i have given him the work, and he wasnt even able to bring that one up. Now he claims google updated and some normal wordings like algorithm changed, link loss etc, I am working with many SEO's in BHW and till date not a single campaign went this bad without any result at all.
My keywords was from 320 exact searches to 22000 exact and he wasnt able to bring them even in top 50 which is too bad. Out of 12 kw 6 was under 1000 searches a month and none ranked. Anyways my take is its BAD and without any result. He may have his reasons .. I quit!!
My keywords was from 320 exact searches to 22000 exact and he wasnt able to bring them even in top 50 which is too bad. Out of 12 kw 6 was under 1000 searches a month and none ranked. Anyways my take is its BAD and without any result. He may have his reasons .. I quit!!
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Sigh..Look, I'm not going to say this service is perfect. Just like any service, there are instances when our methods just don't work. It's SEO. There are hundreds of other factors that are not under my control, which can cause a site not to rank. In this case I am 100% certain that it had nothing to do with my service for the following reasons:
1) Brand new website. Started building links less than a month and a half ago.
2) We weren't the only SEO service working on the website. Please make sure to treat them with the same respect you gave me.
3) The site started making good headway until earlier last week when it lost a lot of the positive movement with the recent algorithm update. Most likely due to duplicate content/page issues as well as a good amount of link loss around 15 days ago.
4) I have two clients in the same exact niche that currently rank for hundreds of terms on the first page.
5) The keywords we targeted are competitive. Just because it has lower search volume doesn't mean it's less competitive.
Angelo1710
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I tested this service for 1 month on very hard keywords on a new website. None of the keywords showed in serps at all during first month so i canceled. For me to pay $450 and do not even enter serps is not normal. I mean with $450 I could buy high pr homepage links and I would enter serps after a week or two..
Anyway very disapointed in this service and i expected a lot from this.
Anyway very disapointed in this service and i expected a lot from this.
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And might I add that you gave me a one page lander with hardly any content on it, which I suggested you change before we started. It amazes me that you would even give me a bad review after I spent hours with you on Skype?literally.
OK, so here's the deal. From here on out we are no longer taking the following niches:
1) Game Niches - you guys tend to be a breed of your own. Crazy expectations, but little effort or thought put into your website's on page content or ability to have any positive effect on outranking your competition.
2) Social Media Marketing Sites (you know who you are) - Same as above for the most part.
Types of People we will not be excepting as clients from here on out:
1) People that think that you can rank in the top 10 for highly competitive keywords in 2 months with brand new websites. That shark got jumped. If you're looking to churn and burn, this isn't for you.
2) Worry warts. I love my clients, but I'm super busy. I have no idea why you keyword lost 4 positions in the last week.
3) People who don't understand that SEO is a risk and there are a million factors that we can not control. These links work, when applied to good websites. Besides the client proof posted later, we have literally HUNDREDS of top 5 rankings over dozens of affiliate niches responsible for a solid five figure income every single month. And it's been like that since April. That's a lot of updates we've powered through. But site quality matters. Now more than ever.
4) People who are throwing hail mary's and spending their rent money on SEO services.
Types of Sites we will not except any longer:
1) Crap content or thin content sites. This is fundamental SEO 101. You need content. Period. The more the better. You really think you're going to rank for a 10,000 search/month buying term with 346 words of homepage content?
2) Sites with 1-3 pages. Unless you are trying to rank for "Dogs who like coffee beans", it ain't going to work with this service.
3) Duplicate websites/pages. You're gonna spend $250+ on SEO, don't you think you should build a site that isn't copying someone else's? At least spin it. And then delete that and rewrite it from hand. It's not that hard.
The type of clients we are looking for:
1) Local lead gen sites. Or lead gen of any kind.
2) SEO Agencies who want to outsource the work and understand on-page dynamics.
3) Sites that are already ranking in the top 30-50 that need that last push.
4) Product and brand searches for high quality sites (ie, 1000+ words of HANDWRITTEN) quality content.
Moving Forward
Ok, so not that I have that squared away, let's look at some of our current rankings.
**All of these clients are less than 4 months old**
Clients in Competitive Niches:
Local Parasite Page:
Local Keyword Clients:
New site we just started 1 month ago. Highly competitive niche:
Burnttomanytimes
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Ok here is a real review by a real person I know sometimes it?s hard to get a real review.
On Monday July 21[SUP]st[/SUP] 2014 I originally spoke to John on skype seemed like a good bloke at the time.
Some of the things he said were
?These search terms will be a piece of cake?
?We just did a local site and it popped in the top 10 in 4 days. But I can?t guarantee that. These should be in the top 10 within 3 to 4 weeks?
?I would be confident enough on this to make you a guarantee. If I can?t get at least 2 of your keywords of the first page within 30 days I would ship you a $100 refund?
On Thursday July 24[SUP]th[/SUP] I made the decision to go with John we continued to chat about business and he started the SEO on the site.
Over the time he gave me some tips about SEO and how it works I already knew some of the stuff he was telling me.
Around August 5[SUP]th[/SUP] my sites started to rank. The results wern?t too bad.
On August 11[SUP]th[/SUP] My rankings dropped 169 places overnight I contacted John asked if this was normal
John stated at the start the keywords will dance around a bit.
On August 20[SUP]th[/SUP] It had been 4 weeks and the keywords hadn?t cracked the top 20 yet I contacted John to ask if everything was good as when I signed up he said 3-4 weeks on the first page.
He said the terms were actually pretty competitive.
On August 25 I contacted John again to ask if we should hit the targets by October he said ?Yup we should for sure?
On September 25[SUP]th[/SUP] I tried to contact John he was uncontactable to September 30[SUP]th[/SUP].
When he got back to me I asked what was going on as it was nearly October and two of my keywords were on Page 3 and the rest where page 10+
He said it?s not 2009 anymore sites take a while to rank.
He also went on to say ?There?s not really much I can do for you with this budget?
On October the 10[SUP]th[/SUP] I got on BHW and was reading some new reviews of John?s and customers did not look happy I know theres always two sides of the story so I got in contact with John just to make sure everything was ok. He said ?Listen im not going to go through this with you every week your only paying me $250 per month?
On October 17[SUP]th[/SUP] John contacted me saying he needs access to the website so he can get into the back end. He wanted to add Schema codes He said if I didn?t feel comfortable doing this he can email me everything that needs to be done.
On October 19[SUP]th[/SUP] I contacted John to ask about the email however the reply I got was.
?I don?t have time to chat right now I saw your rankings they were affected by this last update"
On October the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] I Responded to John saying ?Fair enough I understand your busy? and that I was not happy with the service I was getting as we were not close to what I needed.
He went on to say just cancel the service you have cost me enough time and money at this stage.
Today we had an argument that left me with cancelling my service and John basically saying I was a pain in the ass customer.
I told him I was going to post his bad sevice on BHW so people knew the truth.
He was not happy about this and wanted to do 3 months free SEO work on the site.
Im not interested in that.
I can take pictures of the skype conversations ive had with John. If people don?t believe this is a real review.
Now things I wanted to bring up.
If at the beginning the words were meant to be a piece of cake why 2 months in tell me there really competitive? Why wasn?t the research done at the start of the campaign.
Why being told to upgrade half way through? Shouldn?t the research be done to say hey you really need to spend x amount per month to get these results you want.
You took the business why winge about servicing your customers? When we are paying you for your service.
Maybe I was a bit demanding by your standards however I am a customer John you telling me you don?t have time to talk or your only spending x amount of money just tells me you don?t care about your customers.
I never got that $100 refund that you promised. I know theres no way to refund the whole amount because work was done however you should deliver what you had agreed to.
$750 spent over 3 months and wasted time and time again being burnt by another so called SEO expert that can?t deliver. If anyone out there that can actually deliver what they say please let me know.
On Monday July 21[SUP]st[/SUP] 2014 I originally spoke to John on skype seemed like a good bloke at the time.
Some of the things he said were
?These search terms will be a piece of cake?
?We just did a local site and it popped in the top 10 in 4 days. But I can?t guarantee that. These should be in the top 10 within 3 to 4 weeks?
?I would be confident enough on this to make you a guarantee. If I can?t get at least 2 of your keywords of the first page within 30 days I would ship you a $100 refund?
On Thursday July 24[SUP]th[/SUP] I made the decision to go with John we continued to chat about business and he started the SEO on the site.
Over the time he gave me some tips about SEO and how it works I already knew some of the stuff he was telling me.
Around August 5[SUP]th[/SUP] my sites started to rank. The results wern?t too bad.
On August 11[SUP]th[/SUP] My rankings dropped 169 places overnight I contacted John asked if this was normal
John stated at the start the keywords will dance around a bit.
On August 20[SUP]th[/SUP] It had been 4 weeks and the keywords hadn?t cracked the top 20 yet I contacted John to ask if everything was good as when I signed up he said 3-4 weeks on the first page.
He said the terms were actually pretty competitive.
On August 25 I contacted John again to ask if we should hit the targets by October he said ?Yup we should for sure?
On September 25[SUP]th[/SUP] I tried to contact John he was uncontactable to September 30[SUP]th[/SUP].
When he got back to me I asked what was going on as it was nearly October and two of my keywords were on Page 3 and the rest where page 10+
He said it?s not 2009 anymore sites take a while to rank.
He also went on to say ?There?s not really much I can do for you with this budget?
On October the 10[SUP]th[/SUP] I got on BHW and was reading some new reviews of John?s and customers did not look happy I know theres always two sides of the story so I got in contact with John just to make sure everything was ok. He said ?Listen im not going to go through this with you every week your only paying me $250 per month?
On October 17[SUP]th[/SUP] John contacted me saying he needs access to the website so he can get into the back end. He wanted to add Schema codes He said if I didn?t feel comfortable doing this he can email me everything that needs to be done.
On October 19[SUP]th[/SUP] I contacted John to ask about the email however the reply I got was.
?I don?t have time to chat right now I saw your rankings they were affected by this last update"
On October the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] I Responded to John saying ?Fair enough I understand your busy? and that I was not happy with the service I was getting as we were not close to what I needed.
He went on to say just cancel the service you have cost me enough time and money at this stage.
Today we had an argument that left me with cancelling my service and John basically saying I was a pain in the ass customer.
I told him I was going to post his bad sevice on BHW so people knew the truth.
He was not happy about this and wanted to do 3 months free SEO work on the site.
Im not interested in that.
I can take pictures of the skype conversations ive had with John. If people don?t believe this is a real review.
Now things I wanted to bring up.
If at the beginning the words were meant to be a piece of cake why 2 months in tell me there really competitive? Why wasn?t the research done at the start of the campaign.
Why being told to upgrade half way through? Shouldn?t the research be done to say hey you really need to spend x amount per month to get these results you want.
You took the business why winge about servicing your customers? When we are paying you for your service.
Maybe I was a bit demanding by your standards however I am a customer John you telling me you don?t have time to talk or your only spending x amount of money just tells me you don?t care about your customers.
I never got that $100 refund that you promised. I know theres no way to refund the whole amount because work was done however you should deliver what you had agreed to.
$750 spent over 3 months and wasted time and time again being burnt by another so called SEO expert that can?t deliver. If anyone out there that can actually deliver what they say please let me know.
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First of all, you Skyped me on Sunday, which is my family time. I work 60-70 hours per week and it's the only day I take off. I explained that I didn't have time to talk, but would get back to you on Monday. After that you leave me this a message about how if you didn't have time to talk to your clients you wouldn't have a business. Really? Then after I explain that it was Sunday and it was my family time, did you apologize? Nope. All about Matt. And this is after weekly grillings about the rankings. I literally have over 20,000 words of text with this guy on Skype trying to explain the industry, the constant updates we are up against, how we are testing a lot of different methods etc. In one ear and out the other with this guy.
OK, so let me summarize. Matt came to me and ask me to do his SEO ($250 budget). Terms are pretty competitive, but it's nothing we couldn't do. At the time our method was ranking sites super fast, hence the reason I told him I wouldn't be surprised if it ranked for some terms in top 10 for a few keywords by month two. Then Google made a pretty significant update that made it much more difficult to rank newer sites quickly. I tried to explain this exhaustively to Matt on quite a few occasions. Once again, in one ear and out the other.
Two months go by and I have the site ranking in top 20 with 2 terms, and 3 terms in top 100. I say, hey Matt you should upgrade and pump some more authority links at the site.. You say why would I do that, when I don't think my the service is working (it was doing just fine according to my standards). At this point I can tell he's one of "those clients". So for month three I put out $250 out of my own pocket for extra link building to get it moving which basically puts me in the red for this campaign. I also pay my guys to run citations and clean WH stuff on it for him. Another $150 in down the tubes. So, after all is said and done, I'm $300 in the red on this campaign.
At the end of three months I have to hear yet another rant about how his site needs to be ranking top 10 and I should drop everything on a Sunday and talk to him. I tell him to cancel the service cause I'm not putting up with it anymore. This was after repeated attempts to make him understand the situation and that I am working on it. Having to explain this week after week gets tiring, especially after I am basically saying the same exact thing (dude definitely needs to work on his listening skills). At the same time I offer 3 months of free WH SEO at a cost of $150 per month out of my pocket (would be a total of $750 out of my pocket to make Matt happy). I figure, ahh what the heck. If he's not paying for it, I won't have to deal with his Skype messages and if the site ranks he can then pay me. Sounds reasonable right? Nah, dude decides to run over to my thread and complain about my service. Wow really? Yeah, just a little agitated right now.
I've had enough. With the combination of clients like the above and the latest Penguin update, I am shutting this thread down until further notice.
Burnttomanytimes
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John first of all we never got any rankings in the top 20... best I got was 21.
Secondly you should have been upfront with me from the start about your service you can talk the talk but not deliver.
Did I ask you to spend your own money on this??? No I did not just tells me you knew with the package you originally suggested to me was not going to work. I will say that again.
"You Suggested It To Me"
I never said drop everything and talk to me I just thought it was rude that the company I am buying from tells me there too busy to answer my concerns..
You say you have had enough of clients like myself well maybe we have had enough of getting stuffed over by companies like yours.
I was always nice to John until today.
The reason I posted this is so small business owners like me don't have to go through the same thing that I did.
Im sure if you were buying something John and you weren't getting the service that the supplier had promised you would try and make it known to other buyers...
Secondly you should have been upfront with me from the start about your service you can talk the talk but not deliver.
Did I ask you to spend your own money on this??? No I did not just tells me you knew with the package you originally suggested to me was not going to work. I will say that again.
"You Suggested It To Me"
I never said drop everything and talk to me I just thought it was rude that the company I am buying from tells me there too busy to answer my concerns..
You say you have had enough of clients like myself well maybe we have had enough of getting stuffed over by companies like yours.
I was always nice to John until today.
The reason I posted this is so small business owners like me don't have to go through the same thing that I did.
Im sure if you were buying something John and you weren't getting the service that the supplier had promised you would try and make it known to other buyers...
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Again, you have some serious issues with listening comprehension. I may as well talk to a wall.
And once again, when you hit me up it was it was 11:36 on Saturday night, I answered you at 9:05 AM in the morning letting you know I couldn't talk at the moment (remember family day). Almost every other time you hit me up I responded right away.
Give me a break. Your forum handle is Burnttomanytimes. From the start I was up against dealing with your fears from having issues with past SEO companies (I'm sure there is much more too it). Did you ever think that maybe it's you? The reason I put my money out of my own pocket is because I felt obligated to make the campaign a success. I like to see my clients succeed. Otherwise I would have told you to go kick rocks. Your logic is flawed here.
You can think what you want about my service, but I have dealt with thousands of clients here on this forum and outside of this forum and I have a very low percentage of people who complain, which is next to amazing considering the industry. Good luck with your business and good luck to anyone that has to deal with you the next time around.
Please stop posting in my thread. You had your say.
Burnttomanytimes
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You say do I ever think maybe its me?
If a company promises something and does not deliver that is not my problem. When a company tells me 3 months and you will be on page 1 I expect it to be on page 1.
A past company had told me on a different site I had I would be on rank 3 minimum in 8 months I gave them 8 months not even on page 3.
Only reason you want me off your thread is because you don't want people to know about this poor service.
Im still waiting on that $100 refund you guaranteed at the start of the campaign...
Once again why take peoples money if you cannot deliver what you promise.
I know SEO is a gamble and finding someone who is honest and can actually deliver is like finding a needle in a haystack.
However stop over promising and under delivering and stop blaming other companies and people for your lack of skills.
If a company promises something and does not deliver that is not my problem. When a company tells me 3 months and you will be on page 1 I expect it to be on page 1.
A past company had told me on a different site I had I would be on rank 3 minimum in 8 months I gave them 8 months not even on page 3.
Only reason you want me off your thread is because you don't want people to know about this poor service.
Im still waiting on that $100 refund you guaranteed at the start of the campaign...
Once again why take peoples money if you cannot deliver what you promise.
I know SEO is a gamble and finding someone who is honest and can actually deliver is like finding a needle in a haystack.
However stop over promising and under delivering and stop blaming other companies and people for your lack of skills.
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I sent you a $250 refund. That puts me $550 in the red on this account. Officially the worst client I have ever dealt with. That's saying a lot considering I have had over 4,000 clients in the last 8 years. Now please, just go away.
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