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Casie Martin
Newbie
- Jul 11, 2021
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Hi there,
I have a friend who is an Onlyfans Model and few of her friends who want to grow their Instagram,Ads didn't work for us so we are looking for some other methods now.Does this method work and can you please message me with more details?
Thank you!
I have a friend who is an Onlyfans Model and few of her friends who want to grow their Instagram,Ads didn't work for us so we are looking for some other methods now.Does this method work and can you please message me with more details?
Thank you!
kaizenKNIGHT
Regular Member
- Jun 22, 2014
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I tried making an order yesterday and failed, are your services back up and running?
grimkazeshini
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- Jul 16, 2014
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interested
splendiddog
Power Member
- Dec 23, 2020
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Is 20k minimum requirement? I want to do small test first to see if its working and I have few doubts too. Dm me pls
midnightsavant
Regular Member
- Sep 12, 2020
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I wonder that too. OP was active on telegram at first but then he ignored me after I asked him if he could scrape Instagram profiles specific to my niche. I saw another instagram Mass DM panel thread where @crashover recently said they were also ignored by a separate ig MASS DM provider as well.
Maybe the sellers are ignoring us because the recent instagram banwave made it harder for them to Mass DM? idk.
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crashover
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- Dec 7, 2008
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As you said i was on another service, but honestly never had any problem with EveCarp he always reply on telegram. So far he has always been polite and correct. I would love to see mininum orders as before but other than that never had problems, i am sure he was busy and will reply to you soon. (my personal experience ofc)
I had a bad experience with this seller. He claims to have delivered 100k messages. My Instagram insights says my account only got about 5000 impressions. I wouldn't recommend this service at this time. Also he should be obliged to give people a test order so that you don't throw your money down the drain. I tried to reason with the seller to redeliver or give a partial refund. I just wasted €250. I have had better results with other service providers although they are more expensive. I still want a refund. I don't know what others have gotten in the last but it is likey the quality of the service has dropped.
EveCarp
Regular Member
- May 21, 2013
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It's funny how people directly go to blame others for their failures before making ANY kind of self criticism. There are various reasons why a campaign can not go well: bad content, bad copywriting, and bad targeting. In this case, I believe at least the two first ones are the case. As for the last one, if the targeting includes a lot of fake accounts/bots, then it's hard to expect conversion from those.
It's interesting (to say the least) that the client claimed to have "a lot of experience with DMs" but he make very first-time questions as if it had been quite the contrary. Like "what does the profile sharing look like". Nothing wrong with that but makes me at least question his "vast experience in mass DMs".
I have provided a screenshot of one of the sends to the client, as well as a list of all the account we impacted. You can go one by one asking them "hey, did you get a message" to confirm the deliveries if you want.
There is one thing the client is right about, however. He ordered 100k, and we did not send 100k. We sent more like 120k, for that matter.
If your instagram insights say your results are bad, it's clearly because 1) your account / shared post adds zero allure to be clicked on, 2) your message is tremendously spammy (which it is) and generates refusal by potential clients and/or 3) your targeting is less than good.
If you feel you wasted 250€ it's not because we undelivered (in fact, we over) but because you failed do put any extra work to make the campaign work. There's many people out there who are putting the work in, what did you expect?
I'm sorry for your bad experience but also I am reluctant to accept a blackmailing situation just so you can get off the hook on my expense. I am not refunding an order "because you had bad results". Work on your content, work on your text, and work on your targeting. You'll see results then.
What can I say. 9/10 clients are recurring ones and the whole key of this business is client recurrence. There may be some people that get their hopes broken when they realize their account/product does not generate all the hype they would've desired, but sometimes it happens. It's not too hard to understand why in this case anyway.
It sucks to overdeliver willingly to a client like in this case and still get bashed on. You've done ZERO self criticism here, none whatsoever. You're the type of person that blames others for your failures (as I'm sure you'd take all the merit for your successes).
As a side note, I had to block this user for using profanity against my person.
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•You were given the responsibility to scrape using your software. I gave you viable accounts that have very high engagement rates. I have used these same target accounts with other DM service providers and I had great results with them.
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•My targeting was on point. As I have used this same targeting on my other IG accounts and had great results
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•It is not my fault that I am meticulous. I took a before screenshot of my IG insights on the post I created and after screenshot on the post that was shared. My IG insights wouldn't lie.
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•There is a difference between impressions and actions taken. If someone came across the message it would register as an impression/reach. If the person clicked on the message and was taken to the profile or post, it would be counted as an action taken
•My IG insights says I got only about 5000 impressions out of 100,000 that was promised. Even if it was 50,000 impressions that would have been good. Like I have said before there is a difference between impressions and actions taken
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•Thank God I was tracking the performance of the campaign as the seller provides NO MEANS OF TRACKING on their service. Are we just supposed to take your word of mouth that you sent 100,000 DMs?
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•I don't know who who are trying to fool here but IG insights don't lie
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•Did I get some sales, signups and messages from my campaign yes I did. This is also proof to debunk the claims that the seller thinks my campaign sucks. I would have gotten more if only the seller delivered 100,000 messages as promised.
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•The service does work to some extent but the seller UNDER DELIVERED. I expected to get atleast a 50% reach as that would translate to impressions and not actions taken on the post
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•When you say I ask very first time questions there is nothing wrong with ASKING QUESTIONS to clear my doubts on certain things I had concerning your service. Of course I know what mass DMs look like but I asked the SELLER for a sample of what his service provides so that I was certain I was ordering the right thing. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN ASKING QUESTIONS.
•The only difficulty I had which I am a novice in was the SELLER putting me through on how to USE the BINANCE app to transfer to him.
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•You claim to send 120k but there is no proof just word of mouth. Where in your software does it say 120,000 messages sent out of 120,000 messages
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•You can't dump a random list of IG users claiming you sent this. It is just a list but no proof to show a total number of 120,000 messages were sent. Only about 5000 got delivered
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•I am not BLACKMAILING you all I am asking is to deliver as promised. I want to see atleast 50% of reach promised.
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•Your previous clients may not have tracked their campaign accordingly to have noticed that you UNDER DELIVER or maybe the service was good then but it TOTALLY SUCKS NOW!
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• I am not asking for any trouble. All I ask is that I get my money's worth. I paid for 100,000 so I should get that and it should be reflected in the insights. €250 is a lot comparing it to the shitty service I got.
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•No profanity was involved and how great of you to block me after you have CLEARLY SCAMMED ME of my hard earned money.
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•I WOULDN'T BE COMPLAINING IF THIS SELLER DELIVERED THEIR SERVICE IN A COMPLETE AND PROFESSIONAL MANNER
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•Take a look at my insights added in the screenshot below. Direct Message impressions from posts or profile share register as Other.
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•You thought I was a NOVICE that is why you feel you can play a fast one on me.
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•You cannot tell me that you sent 120k messages and I only got 5000 impressions. This is very laughable. I have informed the seller on opening a shit list thread.
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AND I AM A LADY NOT A GUY. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
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•My targeting was on point. As I have used this same targeting on my other IG accounts and had great results
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•It is not my fault that I am meticulous. I took a before screenshot of my IG insights on the post I created and after screenshot on the post that was shared. My IG insights wouldn't lie.
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•There is a difference between impressions and actions taken. If someone came across the message it would register as an impression/reach. If the person clicked on the message and was taken to the profile or post, it would be counted as an action taken
•My IG insights says I got only about 5000 impressions out of 100,000 that was promised. Even if it was 50,000 impressions that would have been good. Like I have said before there is a difference between impressions and actions taken
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•Thank God I was tracking the performance of the campaign as the seller provides NO MEANS OF TRACKING on their service. Are we just supposed to take your word of mouth that you sent 100,000 DMs?
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•I don't know who who are trying to fool here but IG insights don't lie
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•Did I get some sales, signups and messages from my campaign yes I did. This is also proof to debunk the claims that the seller thinks my campaign sucks. I would have gotten more if only the seller delivered 100,000 messages as promised.
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•The service does work to some extent but the seller UNDER DELIVERED. I expected to get atleast a 50% reach as that would translate to impressions and not actions taken on the post
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•When you say I ask very first time questions there is nothing wrong with ASKING QUESTIONS to clear my doubts on certain things I had concerning your service. Of course I know what mass DMs look like but I asked the SELLER for a sample of what his service provides so that I was certain I was ordering the right thing. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN ASKING QUESTIONS.
•The only difficulty I had which I am a novice in was the SELLER putting me through on how to USE the BINANCE app to transfer to him.
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•You claim to send 120k but there is no proof just word of mouth. Where in your software does it say 120,000 messages sent out of 120,000 messages
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•You can't dump a random list of IG users claiming you sent this. It is just a list but no proof to show a total number of 120,000 messages were sent. Only about 5000 got delivered
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•I am not BLACKMAILING you all I am asking is to deliver as promised. I want to see atleast 50% of reach promised.
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•Your previous clients may not have tracked their campaign accordingly to have noticed that you UNDER DELIVER or maybe the service was good then but it TOTALLY SUCKS NOW!
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• I am not asking for any trouble. All I ask is that I get my money's worth. I paid for 100,000 so I should get that and it should be reflected in the insights. €250 is a lot comparing it to the shitty service I got.
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•No profanity was involved and how great of you to block me after you have CLEARLY SCAMMED ME of my hard earned money.
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•I WOULDN'T BE COMPLAINING IF THIS SELLER DELIVERED THEIR SERVICE IN A COMPLETE AND PROFESSIONAL MANNER
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•Take a look at my insights added in the screenshot below. Direct Message impressions from posts or profile share register as Other.
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•You thought I was a NOVICE that is why you feel you can play a fast one on me.
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•You cannot tell me that you sent 120k messages and I only got 5000 impressions. This is very laughable. I have informed the seller on opening a shit list thread.
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AND I AM A LADY NOT A GUY. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT
EveCarp
Regular Member
- May 21, 2013
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I think everybody here can see the type of client you are. I'll just respond to every claim you're making.
Various things come to mind. Firstly, the fact that the "engagement is high" means nothing if the engagement is not real. Are you sure all the accounts have high engagement and none of it is fake likes, etc? There is no reason why your campaign would not work and others' would unless your targets are bad (apart from content and message).
Please post here so everybody can see your message to show how good it was. And you account, for that matter. And the targets. Why not?
Then it's clearly your post/content and/or your message. Not to mention that you're impacting the same people over and over, probably not a good idea to begin with.
One thing is being meticulous, another one is blaming everyone else for something not working the way you wanted it.
Sorry but you're wrong. The messages go to the requests folder, they are not even officially opened and read unless the user accepts the request. If you're not getting traffic to your account from the requests of clicks on your website, then it's clearly because the content/targeting/text is wrong.
Excuse me, but I don't understand where it says 1 DM= 1 impression. I think your expectations are a fantasy you've fabricated in your head. Not to mention that a request will never show as an impression, even if the recipient reads it. If they're not interacting with your request, you should review your campaign and not shoot the messenger.
Guess you'll need to learn to track better, what can I say. You're relying based on your "tracking skills" the conclusion that I did not deliver. As I said, I did not send 100k DMs, I sent almost 120k. I sent you the list of the people I sent to.
Well, they may not lie, but if you think 1 DM = 1 impression then they can sure as hell lead to bad readings.
I'm not really the one saying your campaign sucks: you are. You're the one complaining about the results, not me. I may think your message is bad, your content not great, and who knows about your targeting. The campaign could work regardless. But you're the one complaining, and I know on my end I sent a good % more than what you purchased, so if it didn't work for you, then guess it did suck, based on your conclusions. You are the one who is directly relating "did not get the results I wanted = I got scammed".
Again, you are very lost in how you read stats, how you manage your expectations, and how you apply auto criticism to results that are directly related to your decisions, not mine. As I said, you're shooting the messenger.
There's clearly nothing wrong with asking questions, and I think my support is not something you will hear clients complain about, but the questions you made clearly render you out of the "expert in the field" category. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it does become problematic if you come now here calling me things based on your "vast experience" when you clearly confuse DMs with impressions and clearly have no clue how it works.
No, you also asked me how the whole sharing profile/post thing looked like.
There actually is a proof. I sent you a list of all the userIDs we sent a message to. That's a log of what we did. You calling it a "random" list is ludicrous... that's THE list of users. You can contact each one of them and verify this. What else can I say. Only 5000 got delivered is a conclusion that you can not make based on anything the insights say, as they do not say that. 5000 messages were accepted and confirmed as "read".
Well, you are. You threatened me to open a shitlist if I didn't refund you etc.
Guess you should open a sales thread to teach people about reading stats, because apparently everyone else is stupid. I would also encourage you to show your account, message and post here so people can determine exactly what sucks.
Nice going for someone not asking for trouble. So now you set the terms for what is a valid result (regardless of the terms your campaign, account, message and content)... you're the one who decides "hey, from this point on, you pay me my money back".
Actually, you f'ed me off. I don't need to deal with anyone after that.
https://i.postimg.cc/5NthzN17/jambari.png
No, you wouldn't be complaining if your expectations had been magically met regardless of your campaign decisions, good or bad, and instead you decided to take zero responsibility of the outcome and shoot the messenger.
The situation of weakness due to being a novice is only in your head. Newcomers are very welcome and they are a great opportunity of creating a recurring long term customer. You're very wrong about what the approach here was.
Whereas impressions are an interesting stat to have, they are nowhere a direct indicative of the delivery of DMs. You should know this, and I've explained this above a couple times.
Ok, guess these facts are very relevant and everything makes a lot more sense now.
By the way, reading your "insights", only 24hrs after you gained 500 followers from this, which is actually rather good considering you did a post share (3 click funnel to the follow vs. a 2 click funnel of the profile share) and your content / spammy message. Maybe it's not the best campaign in the world but why you would start this whole fuss, call me scammer etc. is truly beyond me.
Various things come to mind. Firstly, the fact that the "engagement is high" means nothing if the engagement is not real. Are you sure all the accounts have high engagement and none of it is fake likes, etc? There is no reason why your campaign would not work and others' would unless your targets are bad (apart from content and message).
Please post here so everybody can see your message to show how good it was. And you account, for that matter. And the targets. Why not?
Then it's clearly your post/content and/or your message. Not to mention that you're impacting the same people over and over, probably not a good idea to begin with.
One thing is being meticulous, another one is blaming everyone else for something not working the way you wanted it.
Sorry but you're wrong. The messages go to the requests folder, they are not even officially opened and read unless the user accepts the request. If you're not getting traffic to your account from the requests of clicks on your website, then it's clearly because the content/targeting/text is wrong.
Excuse me, but I don't understand where it says 1 DM= 1 impression. I think your expectations are a fantasy you've fabricated in your head. Not to mention that a request will never show as an impression, even if the recipient reads it. If they're not interacting with your request, you should review your campaign and not shoot the messenger.
Guess you'll need to learn to track better, what can I say. You're relying based on your "tracking skills" the conclusion that I did not deliver. As I said, I did not send 100k DMs, I sent almost 120k. I sent you the list of the people I sent to.
Well, they may not lie, but if you think 1 DM = 1 impression then they can sure as hell lead to bad readings.
I'm not really the one saying your campaign sucks: you are. You're the one complaining about the results, not me. I may think your message is bad, your content not great, and who knows about your targeting. The campaign could work regardless. But you're the one complaining, and I know on my end I sent a good % more than what you purchased, so if it didn't work for you, then guess it did suck, based on your conclusions. You are the one who is directly relating "did not get the results I wanted = I got scammed".
Again, you are very lost in how you read stats, how you manage your expectations, and how you apply auto criticism to results that are directly related to your decisions, not mine. As I said, you're shooting the messenger.
There's clearly nothing wrong with asking questions, and I think my support is not something you will hear clients complain about, but the questions you made clearly render you out of the "expert in the field" category. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it does become problematic if you come now here calling me things based on your "vast experience" when you clearly confuse DMs with impressions and clearly have no clue how it works.
No, you also asked me how the whole sharing profile/post thing looked like.
There actually is a proof. I sent you a list of all the userIDs we sent a message to. That's a log of what we did. You calling it a "random" list is ludicrous... that's THE list of users. You can contact each one of them and verify this. What else can I say. Only 5000 got delivered is a conclusion that you can not make based on anything the insights say, as they do not say that. 5000 messages were accepted and confirmed as "read".
Well, you are. You threatened me to open a shitlist if I didn't refund you etc.
Guess you should open a sales thread to teach people about reading stats, because apparently everyone else is stupid. I would also encourage you to show your account, message and post here so people can determine exactly what sucks.
Nice going for someone not asking for trouble. So now you set the terms for what is a valid result (regardless of the terms your campaign, account, message and content)... you're the one who decides "hey, from this point on, you pay me my money back".
Actually, you f'ed me off. I don't need to deal with anyone after that.
https://i.postimg.cc/5NthzN17/jambari.png
No, you wouldn't be complaining if your expectations had been magically met regardless of your campaign decisions, good or bad, and instead you decided to take zero responsibility of the outcome and shoot the messenger.
The situation of weakness due to being a novice is only in your head. Newcomers are very welcome and they are a great opportunity of creating a recurring long term customer. You're very wrong about what the approach here was.
Whereas impressions are an interesting stat to have, they are nowhere a direct indicative of the delivery of DMs. You should know this, and I've explained this above a couple times.
Ok, guess these facts are very relevant and everything makes a lot more sense now.
By the way, reading your "insights", only 24hrs after you gained 500 followers from this, which is actually rather good considering you did a post share (3 click funnel to the follow vs. a 2 click funnel of the profile share) and your content / spammy message. Maybe it's not the best campaign in the world but why you would start this whole fuss, call me scammer etc. is truly beyond me.
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imoneyboy1
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- Jan 29, 2014
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Decided to use a new pitch/text today & noticed many DM receivers not only became curious, but were eager. I suggest one tries out trials, bonuses, and especially something that makes them feel special about receiving the message. Also I always find more relevant accounts to target as im sure certain followers need a break it helps to mix it up. Just be smart about. I read this while scrolling down “Not to mention that you're impacting the same people over and over, probably not a good idea to begin with. “ so I’d thought I’d mention that.
We’re dealing with real people here, normal instagram ads usually sends me followers from lala land so dms are definitely something to take advantage of these days, but be smart about it always put yoursef in the shoes of the receiver. I will mention one of my posts I’ve received help with copywriting so if you need help with a pitch just ask people in the forum or something.
We’re dealing with real people here, normal instagram ads usually sends me followers from lala land so dms are definitely something to take advantage of these days, but be smart about it always put yoursef in the shoes of the receiver. I will mention one of my posts I’ve received help with copywriting so if you need help with a pitch just ask people in the forum or something.
vasily17
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- Jun 29, 2015
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Wow honestly got quite surprised on the response above from some buyers but I always have an incredible experience with this seller. This method won't last long so we for sure should take an advantage of it and huge thanks to this seller for making it happen. I have been working with more than 5 different providers for Mass DM's in the past and this has been the best one.
I am running a lot of campaigns with him and of course you need to do some A/B testing before so you see which incentive, messaging, offer works the best. But the seller actually over delivers and honestly it's been a real pleasure running my campaigns with him.
I can just suggest from my experience try to avoid using big target accounts since a lot of them will have bot/fake accounts so you will lose the conversion rate for sure. Another most important is the incentive. A lot of people might read your message in the request section and then delete or never come back, so you need to make them want to message you back or take an action.
Keep up an awesome work man!
I am running a lot of campaigns with him and of course you need to do some A/B testing before so you see which incentive, messaging, offer works the best. But the seller actually over delivers and honestly it's been a real pleasure running my campaigns with him.
I can just suggest from my experience try to avoid using big target accounts since a lot of them will have bot/fake accounts so you will lose the conversion rate for sure. Another most important is the incentive. A lot of people might read your message in the request section and then delete or never come back, so you need to make them want to message you back or take an action.
Keep up an awesome work man!
overdrive2016
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- Sep 8, 2016
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I’m sure sending 1000s of DMs will blacklist your account just as sending too many likes/follows does.
As a result if I were to set up another new account and put my main account in the bio and then send the DMs telling them to follow the account in the bio, is that 100% safe?
Is this method still working even? I just skimmed the above of people talking about complications / IG crackdown.
Cheers.
As a result if I were to set up another new account and put my main account in the bio and then send the DMs telling them to follow the account in the bio, is that 100% safe?
Is this method still working even? I just skimmed the above of people talking about complications / IG crackdown.
Cheers.
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