Penguin Reverse Engineered VIDEO

Summary: Please continue paying $147/month for our crap software!!

I was wondering if people like Areeb are gonna find another career. But looks like he's tying to hang in there.

artizhay said:

I understand all of that, but the point is that the guy clearly stated that "you cannot have any keywords that are hidden" and prior to that statement he explains that any keywords in the actual code are considered "hidden text," including meta tags and image tags.

If the point was to make it look more natural, he would have said so. Instead, he said you can have anything in your "hidden text" except for​ your keywords.

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I agree, he's confusing at points but his theory shouldn't be discredited yet. One other thing to note on that topic is he states you can have it in 1 area but not all. So, it would seem wise to use it in your title tag and not necessarily in your meta description. I definitely wouldn't use the keyword tag since it's not relevant to your user experience.

All in all, I would never go with numbers in the sense of "use X% keyword density" or only use your keyword "X" amount of times here or there. As always, diversity is king but in this theory, over optimization is what Google set out to eliminate and it leans credit to the theory.

Mortz said:

Manny, you're one of the few that showed positive signals after Penguin 1.1. Are the ranks still holding? I know from talking to you in PMs that you put a lot of focus in "deoptimizing" your pages and of course spreading diversity.

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sure, so far my rankings are holding, plus or minus a few spots, but this is normal up and down movement...

i think my rankings should hold at least until the next refresh, i could be wrong, but this seems to be the way google does this...

i didn't do much de-optimization of the pages on my site, i did a bunch of de-optimization of my off-site seo anchor text...i did reduce the main keyword i target on my money pages...i felt my pages were more natural with the word being mentioned more, but with so many people were talking about reducing keyword density, i thought i would try it...

another thing i did was add a shit load of new blog posts, all 100% original content and all written to a post graduate level of writing...these were super high quality articles, ranging anywhere from 500 to 4,000 words...

next, i started to interlink all these blog posts as they all talk about a topic that is narrow in focus so its very easy to interlink these pages and have a great diversity in internal linking anchor text...i am about 3/4 of the way done with this as i have over 1,000 posts and some of the articles are really long so it takes time to do this, but this has been taking up all my time right now...

i have said this before, but i took a long hard look at wikipedia, amazon, and searchengineland.com and all these sites have a ridiculous number of interlinks within their respective pages...wikipedia probably links to itself more than all links from other sites pointing to it...when one page of your site links to another, this actually does count as a link, so this is a super easy way to add links to your site...

i want to believe this interlinking is what helped my site recover, but in the end, i really don't know for sure...there are too many variables in this to make such a conclusive statement...

in the end, i believe penguin targets both on-site and off-site seo...

Barbarossa said:

Summary: Please continue paying $147/month for our crap software!!

I was wondering if people like Areeb are gonna find another career. But looks like he's tying to hang in there.

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it really is crap software...

Another question to ask, is why google favors wikipedia and amazon and these other big sites?

#1 - The number of pages they have is so numerous that its hard not to consider them as relevant for so many topics

and I believe #2 is the interlinking they do...

I am trying to build an authority site, with my 1,000 pages, I hardly believe I have achieved this, but this is really relative to what niche you are targeting...

If there are authority sites in your niche with 15,000 pages or 40,000 pages then this is probably where you need to be to compete with them...etc...

I don't agree with a lot of what he said.. some of it makes some sense, though little when I look at my sites. I was absolutely anal about onsite quality and I got my ass handed to me.

I do believe It is more off page and it is all about the content surrounding your links. If it is similar and on 500 blogs/web 2.0s you get nailed. You can spin an article all you want but that article still has common traits that can ring a few bells.

I also think he gives Google way too much credit. Google is not that smart.

LOVE THAT SHIRT.. WOW! LOL

abysse said:

@Expertpeon : Far from me the idea to wake the beast in you, however i'm wondering a few things.

First, you mentionned several times that your websites went fine, and now you mention one of your website has been hit, did it come with the Penguin Refresh ? Did you change anything this month ?

Second, you seem to be convinced that penguin is a punishement algorithm and to be honest, i tend to buy that theory, however, you said it is extremely easy to perform a negative SEO campaign thanks to penguin, but i believe you wouldn't have been able to perform it as Penguin is refreshed once a month apparently.

Once again it isn't to remove credibility or so, but to try to see clearer in that damned update.

Dealing with OP post, my conclusions seems to tend to a link devaluation in some case but not in others. What trigger the link devaluation is all the question though.

For the fun if any, in order to mess more with my mind, i had a DMCA complain on one of my personal website which i have understood as a Penguin slap as the website vanished and it confused my theories...

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One of my sites was hit during Penguin (it was hit on Feb 26th's update as well)
My new websites and all of the others are all fine so far.

I haven't done any negative SEO post penguin, but I did it last year, and it worked very well even then.

Penguin is not 100% onsite. This guy doesn't really know what he is talking about. I am glad he shared his theories with us, but i am not glad he convinced some people his theories are truthful. It is much easier to make up things instead of testing it.

I don't claim to be an SEO "expert" and most of my knowledge comes from experience, but it seems to me that this SENuke guy is just full of cr..p!
"Thin content", "garbage pages", "broad" vs. "specific" updates, really? Ufff, my brain almost hurts now. This sounds more like search engine optimization science fiction, where all the characters, names and places are imaginary and far from realistic.

I also don't agree with this video. Penguin is for sure off page...this guy is out of his mind and just trying to get a bit of publicity...
Think about it...how hard is it to NOT do on page SE0...not that hard is it.
I can't listen to him anymore...this dude is coming from somewhere else and out of his mind...turning off at the point of the CSS being "hidden text." Nuckin Futs.

I've had 50+ sites hit with Penguin. I had 30+ #1 rankings for long tail easy to rank keywords in my niche. Now I have three.
All sites were EMDs.
Some of the incoming links were from ALN etc.
Other than that, all content is 100% unique, and sites are 4-5 pages. Some sites with around 8-10 pages.
One site had various #1 rankings for small keywords with little to no backlinks to those pages, and those rankings were wiped out.

I have no idea why I was hit. And I have no idea what to do to get them back

jon_xx_x said:

I've had 50+ sites hit with Penguin. I had 30+ #1 rankings for long tail easy to rank keywords in my niche. Now I have three.
All sites were EMDs.
Some of the incoming links were from ALN etc.
Other than that, all content is 100% unique, and sites are 4-5 pages. Some sites with around 8-10 pages.
One site had various #1 rankings for small keywords with little to no backlinks to those pages, and those rankings were wiped out.

I have no idea why I was hit. And I have no idea what to do to get them back

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probably the only thing to do is wait until the next refresh...

Manny, don't forget that Google also favors Wikipedia because it is an encyclopedia/reference. Adding diversity to their index used to be one of their goals and Wikipedia always seemed to fit the mold regardless of what the topic is. That's part of the reason why Wikipedia enjoys such high ranks, but as you note their interlinking is quite effective and something many IMers fail to realize.

jon_xx_x said:

I've had 50+ sites hit with Penguin. I had 30+ #1 rankings for long tail easy to rank keywords in my niche. Now I have three.
All sites were EMDs.
Some of the incoming links were from ALN etc.
Other than that, all content is 100% unique, and sites are 4-5 pages. Some sites with around 8-10 pages.
One site had various #1 rankings for small keywords with little to no backlinks to those pages, and those rankings were wiped out.

I have no idea why I was hit. And I have no idea what to do to get them back

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From what I picked up in the video and similar posts I have read, I would think your sites were hit because they were all pretty much built the same way and all were all considered low quality in Google's eyes in terms of user experience. That plus you may have had links coming from sites that have been hit by penguin and that have turned out to be "spam/low quality links" therefor all your links are considered low value and you have lost ranking.

I hope I make sense...

Good luck.

assphuck said:

Manny, don't forget that Google also favors Wikipedia because it is an encyclopedia/reference. Adding diversity to their index used to be one of their goals and Wikipedia always seemed to fit the mold regardless of what the topic is. That's part of the reason why Wikipedia enjoys such high ranks, but as you note their interlinking is quite effective and something many IMers fail to realize.

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Yeah, I agree...interlinking is something I looked to help boost my link profile and its really easy to do as its my site and I get to choose exactly what links I want to put on it...

This video is nothing more than a sales pitch from senuke, trying to tell people their spam bot still works.

Do they think we're stupid? God, their software might still work, but the things they say are retarded.

What I don't get is that there is shit sites everywhere still up top. How the fuck do almost all of my sites get hit, and there's so much shit out there still.

IamNRE said:

From what I picked up in the video and similar posts I have read, I would think your sites were hit because they were all pretty much built the same way and all were all considered low quality in Google's eyes in terms of user experience. That plus you may have had links coming from sites that have been hit by penguin and that have turned out to be "spam/low quality links" therefor all your links are considered low value and you have lost ranking.

I hope I make sense...

Good luck.

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Quite frankly I can't trust anyone who sells products like these to give me an honest opinion. They might actually be giving me an honest opinion, but I will always be questioning it. There are plenty of other experts out there that have no bias that are saying it is offsite and plenty saying it is both. However very few of them are saying it is only onsite.

jon_xx_x said:

What I don't get is that there is shit sites everywhere still up top. How the fuck do almost all of my sites get hit, and there's so much shit out there still.

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I completely agree. With a search query for an automotive part, I was presented with irrelevant websites in the top five positions. Wikipedia, How Stuff Works, Wise Geeks, an old newspaper article and a blog post from 2010. In Bing, I hit relevancy at position number three. Google not only screwed many webmasters with Penguin, but also the end users.

With cash in hand to actually buy a part, I'd find relevancy through Bing first. And after all of this Penguin fiasco, I made it a point to originate my e-commerce related spending activities through Bing anyway. Hopefully others here will do the same. While Google can continue to ignore webmasters, they must listen to shareholders. And if shareholders see revenue fall, Google can explain to them what these zoo animals are all about.