Penguin: My test results are in

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I think his point was to try to figure out how to fix a penalized site, not to analyze what the problem is. Looks like his conclusions show that adjusting his backlink profiles in different ways hasn't fixed his penalized sites.

BRAIN_PAIN said:

Great presentation and analysis of your experiment. You have shared valuable conclusions. However my observations show that most of the sites that got penalized by Penguin had a backlink profile with the main keyword used more than 30%. So I am sure that keyword diversity and ratio plays a big role. Also sites with spammy links but which have used their main keyword under 20% of the time were not penalized.

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Hi great share, i also noticed this. Seems that you did not have a look on the catchedsnap.
My site also been hit by penguin, Here is my thought.
1, Whatever you done is vain as google bot will not revisit the hitted page untill the refresh time come. or it think it should revisit.
Most of my innper pages last time catchedsnap is 18-24th April, just before penguin.
2, Penguin hitting is page targeted while not wholesite punishment. The robot revisit our homepage ever 1 or 2 days. index whatever new there. Rank it as usual.
3, Inner pages not been hit revisited around 7-10 days circle.

assphuck said:

How Google treats large organizations, which have media clout, greatly differs from small mom and pop organizations which do not have the media covering their every move. Although Google may publicly state that they treat everyone fairly, the Antitrust investigation in the US and elsewhere is a prime example of how Google's actions do not mirror that of their publicly stated principals.

Matt Cutts has noted that reconsideration requests are not accepted for Penguin related demotions as they are not manual actions but are instead algorithmically induced. Where Chrome, Overstock and JC Penny had manual actions taken against them for their practices, following the same recourse for Penguin affected websites will not work. A good read is here: http://searchenginewatch.com/articl...egative-SEO-Disavowing-Links-Bounce-Rate-More

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Yeah, so we are in agreement...

assphuck said:

...Matt Cutts has noted that reconsideration requests are not accepted for Penguin related demotions as they are not manual actions but are instead algorithmically induced. Where Chrome, Overstock and JC Penny had manual actions taken against them for their practices, following the same recourse for Penguin affected websites will not work. A good read is here: http://searchenginewatch.com/articl...egative-SEO-Disavowing-Links-Bounce-Rate-More

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If the above is at all true and penguin demotions are algorithmically induced, then it should be very possible to recover a penguin slapped site if we know the set of new parameters that actively invoke Penguin. An "algorithmically induced" demotion lacks the prejudice of a manual penalty and with the right tweaking a site's "resurrection" should also be able to be algorithmically induced. We may need to look at less obvious parameters than just linking and anchor text (i.e. ratio of new backlinks to new content for instance), or other less prominent insights into what may be driving penguin.

If, however, a penguin demotion automatically triggers an arbitrary time penalty (like, say, three months of sandbox), then this whole notion of Matt Cunts saying Penguin is not a penalty is rubbish.

Great share! Thanks for the info.

jb2008 said:

[*]Penguin is a very punitive update. It errs on the side of over punishment, rather than leniency, in order to aggressively combat web spam and reduce the profitability of SEO, possibly in order to compel people to use Adwords to generate traffic instead.

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Actually the easier it is for BH seo to rank, the more legit companies are forced to use adwords. G wants real businesses with cash flow using adwords. Having little guys ranking in the top 10 forces that.

As long as there's a #1 spot, SEO is profitable. G can't put G-owned sites in every top 10.

op, what type of links are you building to your site?

i know you use xrummer to a tenth degree and this is why i ask...

you quite a few days ago and now you are back...

xrummer is not the answer to fix your site...and/or sites...

You gotta take a look at the whole picture to avoid getting hit or recover from the Penguin.

If you take a look at your backlink profile at Opensite Explorer and realize that 75% of all your top 50 highest rated backlinks contains your keyword as anchor, and they are all from places with a PA of 40+ and DA of 60+ then creating a thousand, "click here", visit here and raw url anchors won't do you any good.

Same with on site seo, sure you can lower your keyword density, but maybe the problem is that you have your keywords in every meta description, img alt tag or internal linking.

In the niches I'm after, I haven't seen any change at all in the top ten