Discussion in 'CPA' started by meannn, Apr 26, 2012.
Hi BHatters. Is it only me or Peerfly (or advertisers ) shaves too much thesedays ?
All of em shave. Some more than others. It also depends a lot on what kind of traffic youre selling and how the offers are converting on the advertisers end.
How the hell do advertisers judge me from about 10 leads.
all cpa networks platforms have built-in shaving feature .... and some time they shaving you not because they want
but because the pixel not fired and they keep the money .... seem shaving for cpa companies is a safety factor from BH leads ....
I felt the same way about them back at the end of the last year when I tested them out. I'm not going to give specifics, but it was enough to quit campaigns with them.
With that being said, no, not all CPA companies shave. Most of the time it's the crap ass advertiser. :-/
A few months ago I went sending tons of Twitter traffic to CPAInfinity, and when the offer went down I switched over to Peerfly, went from making about $10 an hour to $70 in that first hour. Shortly after the first hour, the conversions dropped from 15% to about 3%. So I believe that they definitely shave, just like many other networks, but only when the traffic is not top notch. CPAInfinity's conversions stayed pretty steady for the most part, around 10-12% by the way.
Thank you guys and girls. I feel relaxed when I read comments that I expect. I track my user actions and truely say that damned advertisers does not count the leads. I work with other cpa companies also and they don't even shave a little.
If you were an advertiser, what would be the fastest way to increase your revenue by 20%? Now you know
But for a very short time. In long term, publishers (me also) won't promote it anymore. And your sig picture is hot.
I always felt that they were great to you at the beginning but then, you'll start seeing some major influxes. Really bothered me, considering how much I was already doing compared to what I needed to do to leverage the money I wanted to make.
the email game is rough and tough. If you are sending content locking traffic or similar then switch offers rotate, keep your earning low as possible on each offer that way hopefully your ratio for every 30 or so leads you got probably a dummie who submitted their CC down the path somewhere and that CC submit and double opt in and all that just made him way more then that 30 leads he has to pay out to you.
And if your network have solid established offers that been their for a while and is converting good dont blackhat it, Dont content lock it cause all that gonna do is make them shave you hard and then blacklist you. These offers are what you want. Cause you can bank with them and have longevity if you do it the right way.
The difference between smart Blackhat and Dumb Blackhat is this.,
Smart blackhat, You use unethical or borderline means to get that targeted traffic. However that traffic is targeted and is geniuely interested in the offer you are showing them
Dumb blackhat is when you spam your links, content locker whatever send all kinds of untargetted and pissed off user to an offer (thats not incentive) and wonder why they start shaving you cause all they see on their end is firstname.lastname@example.org email@example.com etc etc
I haven't noticed that. I'm promoting only one offer from Peerfly and I usualy have 25%-30% conversion and $0.35 EPC.
I think it's good for email submit offer.
Its not only you I did a test with ewa and peerfly. Peerfly shaved me Sooooo HARD! If u want a good network with good people try EWA NETWoRK.
Well my estimation is if I make 25 dollars in one hour with Maxbounty on the same email submit offer (say for an iphone) I get 5 dollars from peerfly...They shave hard like others said before. I only use them when I really need something to fill a spot on my site for a couple of hours say.
Oh! and how Peerfly shaves ))))))) I stopped working with them, found that smaller CPA Networks are more eager to get advertisers and they tend to have common sense.
Peerfly is deffo a NO NO for me.
PeerFly does not shave our publishers. If you're being shaved then it's by the advertiser and it's due to your quality. This has been discussed several times on BHW. (There's probably hundreds of threads on email submits shaving.)
I recommend reading these articles about email submits:
The boss has spoken guys watch out.
I have seen high conversion rates when sending targeted traffic through Search engines when using Peerfly (45%+)
What is type of offer you referred to?
You guys that are always moaning about shaving don't seem to realize smart advertisers are now using shit like
Advertisers arn't in this business to give you an income they are in it for their own profit and if you're going to send
junk traffic they rightly will not pay you. This isn't a hand out business and the sooner the weak marketers get out
the business the better.
As a publisher you should have access to your own stats and if an offer converts and was shaved it would show and then
disappear A network would have to manually delete your conversions.
I've had to do that many times on the instructions of advertisers and by viewing the traffic logs I can see why.
No we don't keep the money we don't even get paid for it many times at a loss to us.
If you realize how pissed I get when one publisher loses us an account by sending fraud or junk traffic?
That's defrauding me and taking bread from my table.
The sooner the industry gets regulated and more publishers are prosecuted for trying to defraud the networks the better.
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