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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by buttmonk, Apr 24, 2015.

  1. buttmonk

    buttmonk Power Member Premium Member

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    Hi guys.

    Just got a Managed Wordpress hosting account for one of my PBN sites.

    Quick question, for the root domain example.com, i have TF15 CF19 8,000 links 321 Ref domains
    for the sub domain www. example.com, i have TF22 CF31 4300 links, 165 Ref Domains

    Now, obviously the more good links the better, so should i set my domain at the root domain (which i would choose), or set at the sub domain as higher TF+CF?

    Cheers!
     
  2. Aty

    Aty Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Check the backlink profile and see which one has stronger links, or go with non-www if you can't decide.
     
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  3. SEO Power

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    www or not, it doesn't matter. Google treats both as one and the same website as long as the www version redirects to the non-www version and vice versa depending on the version you are using as your default homepage.
     
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    Redirect the one with lower credentials to the one with higher.
     
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    zimmerseo Newbie

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    The advice here is pretty much spot on. Whatever page has the best metrics, use it and redirect the other.

    I have one thing to add which might be controversial, so apologies in advance. While TF and CF might be a quick and handy guide, it's a third party metric and not very accurate. If it's Google you want to rank in, use their metric, PR. I know it's old fashioned but it's still Google main indicator of quality despite the fact that they don't update it publicly very often.

    In other words, redirect the domain with less PR to the one with the greatest PR.
     
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    It really depands on how the site is designed. The TF/CF of the root domain will be an amalgamation of all the page level metrics. Including pages that have zeroes, and sub-domains that nobody remembers. So for most sites, there will be SOME PAGES that have a higher TF than the root domain as a whole, but many more that have less. The WWW will exclude all the subdomain URLs which we usually don?t use for the main site. For some sites that?s very few. For us, we?d exclude anything at blog.majestic for example, which would exclude some pretty high TF pages. The home page at www is often the strongest page on the site, because all the internal links go to there? but not always.
     
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    i would go with the higher metrics... higher TF/DA/PA/CF
     
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    You don't need to set up sub domain for www. Any hosting makes it for you in one click. Or you do it yourself in WP options.
     
  9. jo080711

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    I'd follow the majority of the advice here and install WP on the www and redirect the root. (And any other pages that have decent metrics for that matter).

    As far as the PR -- I think TF is the best we have to go on now. Obviously you can't rely on just one metric. You have to look at the domain as a whole.

    But the fact that Google doesn't update toolbar PR publicly anymore is what makes using PR so "dangerous". You could pass on a good domain or buy a "PR 5" that isn't worth shit. I know a lot of people still hang on to it, but in my opinion that ship has sailed.

     
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    Great thread. Another question I want to ask, how much would be the minimum amount of referring domains would you guys need to see in order to buy a domain? For example, I found a domain with very clean profile, follow links from other bloggers and even some news sites. TF14 CF9, 4000+ links but only 34 referring domains.

    So.. HOT or NOT?
     
  11. EvilByte

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    as stated a simple redirect from one to the other is all you need to solve this.
     
  12. zimmerseo

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    Page Rank is all about the internal links. Bottom line, if you have 3 PR5's pointing to your site, it's a PR 4. If you have 1, it's a PR 3. This wont change unless those links disappear. Yes, you are right, you could buy a PR 5 domain and after an update find it's a zero but this will ONLY happen if the inbound links have disappeared. Obviously before you buy a PR 5 domain, you need to check that the links giving it this PR are still in place.
     
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    It's not about numbers, it's solely about quality.

    If from these 34 ref domains one is Huff, another is NYT and 3rd is Wikipedia, i will prefer this domain to another one that has 5K ref domains but ones that nobody knows about.
     
  14. 7yearitch

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    Thanks. What about the no of links? i don't think a domain that only has 50 links total would do any good for rankings, even though the links are from huge sites.

    Surely volume does matter in seo?
     
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    Yeah volume surely does matter but quality is often better. A higher quantity of quality links can be better but it is not a case where 1k links are better than 100 links, the quality does make a difference but if you can have a higher quantity with the same good quality links that would generally be better.

    Often people try to think of things as black and white where more is better or higher quality is better but ultimately the range of link types you can have is huge. This is why the dependence on proprietary stats such as DA/PA, CF/TF etc have become so useful, they give a more concise and clearer picture of the overall quality of the link profile.

    Back to what the OP asked, I would go with the majority and redirect the lower to the higher stats sub domain and use the higher one. Generally Google will treat www.domain as domain and vice versa but it never hurts to combine things just in case.
     
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    Quality and quality over quantity... I just got something setup with some high authority links from some media websites and wiki, for domains with a MS of 8000 10 links were required to get no. 5 on the ranking, today we will add 10 more links to see where it goes.

    I'm defiantly finished off with mass linking campaigns. It makes not sense what so ever, at least not for our websites.
     
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    Great input, but i think you misunderstood my question. I wasn't talking about mass linkbuilding campaigns, i was talking about buying domains for pbns that have very little backlinks pointing at them.

    Example: domain.com has 5 links each from huffpost, bbc, techcrunch, nytimes, and mashable, but nothing else. Would it still be worthwhile to get?

    I highly doubt so..