PBN Query

Hi guys,

I'm pretty new to the SEO game, I confess. Still getting the hang of it so excuse me if my question is a little ignorant. By the way, it's my first post, gudday I'm brad from NZ.

So I'm starting up a PBN, only bought 2 so far. I know that I need to host every PBN blog on a different server, but do I need to register them on different registrars? Also, if a PBN blog is on the same registrar as a money site will they get caught?

For example say my blog and my money site are registered on godaddy but neither of them are hosted on godaddy, would that get penalized or deindexed because one links to the other?

Thanks everybody
Brad

You can use tools like 'Built With' to see how widespread a service like GoDaddy is, e.g. 32% of the "Entire Internet" appear to use GoDaddy DNS (and probably domain registration).



So if you had a "normal" backlink profile Google would expect to see approximately 1/3rd of your referring domains to be hosted by GoDaddy. On the small scale it would not be suspicious to have 2, 3, 5 sites all on GoDaddy and nothing else but if you continue to scale to 20+ sites all on GoDaddy it would begin to look suspicious.

Awesome, ok thanks. So Google can see what registrar its at but they can't tell what account its under?

ikstob said:

So if you had a "normal" backlink profile Google would expect to see approximately 1/3rd of your referring domains to be hosted by GoDaddy. On the small scale it would not be suspicious to have 2, 3, 5 sites all on GoDaddy and nothing else but if you continue to scale to 20+ sites all on GoDaddy it would begin to look suspicious.

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I would disagree with this. If 32% of the entire Internet is registered with Godaddy, quite frankly your 100 website network isn't going to stand out. Assuming 1 billion unique domains exist (read number - not sure where) out there, that means there should be over 300 million with Godaddy. It hardly seems like a footprint using Godaddy - you and 300 million other websites have the same footprint. That's my take on it at least.

Just my two cents.

If you are looking for guide on building PBN's this will help you: http://doseoyourself.com/build-your-own-private-blog-network-the-right-way/

Spread out as much as you can as far as hosting is concerned, as for registrars, I wouldn't bother about that much, just go with a big company and you are good.

xha44a said:

I would disagree with this. If 32% of the entire Internet is registered with Godaddy, quite frankly your 100 website network isn't going to stand out. Assuming 1 billion unique domains exist (read number - not sure where) out there, that means there should be over 300 million with Godaddy. It hardly seems like a footprint using Godaddy - you and 300 million other websites have the same footprint. That's my take on it at least.

Just my two cents.

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The key point is "on average 32% of domains are registered with Godaddy", when Google analyses links for any website it probably sees (approximately) the same distribution even with just small sample of 100 referring domains to any one website.

In some cases Google may see as few as 20 GoDaddy referrers, or as many as 40 ... but on average it is ~32 in a normal distribution where the chance there being many more or many fewer than this average decreases rapidly.

Now Google stumbles onto YOUR website where all 100 referring domains are on GoDaddy, because Google has "tonnes of data" on the normal distribution of the average backlink profile it knows that the probability of it just being chance that all 100 referring domains pointing to your site being GoDaddy are less than 1 in 1,000,000,000 - which either means you're very lucky, or that it wasn't a natural backlink profile.

I totally get where you are coming from, however Google built their business on automation, probabilities and algorithms. You think you are hiding "100 domains out of 300 million" but that is not how they catch you. Out of the billions of websites which match their measured normal-distribution for GoDaddy referrers, yours sticks-out because the probability of it happening by chance is vanishingly small.

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ikstob said:

The key point is "on average 32% of domains are registered with Godaddy", when Google analyses links for any website it probably sees (approximately) the same distribution even with just small sample of 100 referring domains to any one website.

In some cases Google may see as few as 20 GoDaddy referrers, or as many as 40 ... but on average it is ~32 in a normal distribution where the chance there being many more or many fewer than this average decreases rapidly.

Now Google stumbles onto YOUR website where all 100 referring domains are on GoDaddy, because Google has "tonnes of data" on the normal distribution of the average backlink profile it knows that the probability of it just being chance that all 100 referring domains pointing to your site being GoDaddy are less than 1 in 1,000,000,000 - which either means you're very lucky, or that it wasn't a natural backlink profile.

I totally get where you are coming from, however Google built their business on automation, probabilities and algorithms. You think you are hiding "100 domains out of 300 million" but that is not how they catch you. Out of the billions of websites which match their measured normal-distribution for GoDaddy referrers, yours sticks-out because the probability of it happening by chance is vanishingly small.

:google2:

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just buy few 2-3 sites packs with top 20 registrars and host all of them.
(there are 1 billion + domains and believe me google not have power to find footprints in all of them)

you will get busted only after your competitor will report or your niche will get a manual review.
(i just add simple non-spammy 10X , it makes site look more good. )

when you backlink to your money site that's biggest footprints.
just get 10-20 different 1 domain hosting accounts and you are safe until google gets hands on your pbn.
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Your theory is good under only 1 circumstance. That your website has absolutely NO other backlinks. If you website has NO backlinks except 50 high PR links from your PBN all registered at Godaddy then theoretically your idea *could* work.

However your whole theory goes down the tubes the second your site has some other links. If your site has a sherlock hacks Google package thrown at it (1k links) and you add 50 links from Godaddy, then you will see how irrelevant of a "footprint" this is. I'll do the math for you.

1000 random links from sherlock hacks Google.
of which 320 are a normal distribution.
Throw in 50 high PR links.
Now you have 370 from Godaddy.
5% difference from a normal distribution. You really think Google is going to get upset over that? Seriously?

If you have 0 links to your site and you throw 100 high PR links at it from all Godaddy domains your idea might have some validity. However your ban will come not from them being at Godaddy, but from the fact that you pointed a ton of PR links at a brand new website with no thought of velocity.

If you already have an established domain with a couple thousand links (see Sherlock hacks Google) then throwing a handful of high PR links at it will in NO way skew the normal distribution in any statistically relevant way.

Google is dumber than you think. Hacked sites still rank for viagra in this day and age. Don't do anything terribly stupid and you'll be fine. But having an extra percentage point of your link profile coming from Godaddy registered domains as I originally said isn't any kind of footprint to speak of.

ikstob said:

The key point is "on average 32% of domains are registered with Godaddy", when Google analyses links for any website it probably sees (approximately) the same distribution even with just small sample of 100 referring domains to any one website.

In some cases Google may see as few as 20 GoDaddy referrers, or as many as 40 ... but on average it is ~32 in a normal distribution where the chance there being many more or many fewer than this average decreases rapidly.

Now Google stumbles onto YOUR website where all 100 referring domains are on GoDaddy, because Google has "tonnes of data" on the normal distribution of the average backlink profile it knows that the probability of it just being chance that all 100 referring domains pointing to your site being GoDaddy are less than 1 in 1,000,000,000 - which either means you're very lucky, or that it wasn't a natural backlink profile.

I totally get where you are coming from, however Google built their business on automation, probabilities and algorithms. You think you are hiding "100 domains out of 300 million" but that is not how they catch you. Out of the billions of websites which match their measured normal-distribution for GoDaddy referrers, yours sticks-out because the probability of it happening by chance is vanishingly small.

:google2:

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xha44a said:

...If you already have an established domain with a couple thousand links (see Sherlock hacks Google) then throwing a handful of high PR links at it will in NO way skew the normal distribution in any statistically relevant way...

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Sounds like Alex Becker's 'Pillowing' concept - just a whole bunch of links with innocent looking anchor texts designed not to help you rank, but to prepare the way for the high pr links which will definitely help you rank. Am I right?

Basically, i don't see any issue with it so long as you host them all differently.

However, as the number gets larger it's good to diversify the domain registry in order not to raise any red flag.

Feel safe!!

ShanghaiKiwi said:

Sounds like Alex Becker's 'Pillowing' concept - just a whole bunch of links with innocent looking anchor texts designed not to help you rank, but to prepare the way for the high pr links which will definitely help you rank. Am I right?

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Hi,

To be honest I've never heard of his pillowing concept. It was an idea I picked up here on BHW - lower value links should be naked/generic/not really targeted, while the high power links will be targeted with anchor and relevant tiers. Something to that effect.

xha44a said:

...lower value links should be naked/generic/not really targeted, while the high power links will be targeted with anchor and relevant tiers. Something to that effect.

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I've been browsing the net looking for something that can do that for ages - something that can give me safe, generic backlinks on the cheap, while the high pr comes from my pbn. This is to protect my money site from the penguin (natural anchor text profile) but in making myself penguin-proof, I don't want to get hit by kung-fu panda (spammy crappy content). So how can I get these naked links without panda risk? My boss tells me to avoid forum-posting. What about blog comments? What about bulk directory submissions? What would be safe and cheap to naturalise my backlink profile?