PBN Owner -> 1 question survey

Hello,

You are an happy PBN owner ? you managed a list of websites ?

Are you using google analytics (or no to avoid footprint)?

If no, are you using an other analytics tool ? (please, let the name of the tool in the comments)

Thank you

Don't add Google Analytics to your PBN.

I don’t think so but @tiiberius whats your opinion on this?

I built my own tool that saves the traffic into a database so I can interpret it from there. Besides Google Analytics, you can use Matomo Analytics, which is free and you can download to your server.

If you are thinking about using analytics, it means, you are planning to drive traffic through your PBN. If you are planning to drive traffic, you might be willing to monetize them. In that case, they are not PBN.

PBN by definition is one of the blackest hat methods out here and there. The idea is to create a site with the sole purpose of transferring authority to a money site. Traffic is completely irrelevant and in case it happens, it is merely incidental.

SirLouen said:

If you are planning to drive traffic, you might be willing to monetize them. In that case, they are not PBN.

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I think you don't know what you say.
The best and the rule no 1 for a PBN site is to look like a real site as it can be, so traffic and some monetization are the most for this. If the site has traffic and monetization then it will look like a real site and chances to be penalized drop significantly.


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If you just buy some expired domain and drop content and links on it, just for purpose to drive juice, then this is a big footprint, since PBN's are not some secret in the market, not all PBN's are great, no matter how powerful is the domain, if you don't play it smart ofc.

Luco said:

If you just buy some expired domain and drop content and links on it, just for purpose to drive juice, then this is a big footprint, since PBN's are not some secret in the market, not all PBN's are great, no matter how powerful is the domain, if you don't play it smart ofc.

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That is your take. I don't share this with you. If you plan to drive traffic on purpose and through the effort with a highly curated content just to avoid "the footprint", it's not a PBN as default. It is simply a site like any other.

Now everyone seem to call a "expired domain" purchase a PBN. Last week, one of my colleagues, bought an expired domain from a dead bank in my country for 3 grand, and guess what?
He is going to build a nice site on top of it. Is that a PBN? Not for me.

Maybe I've been around for long enough to be settled on an old image of why the PBN arised and how the PBN should be taken. Although, there are a thousand ways to keep the footprint low or inexistent and still have an LQ looking site but still profitable in terms of authority.

If the PBN method is ruined at some point I may simply accept it: PBN may have deceased or they are simply not as efficient as they used to be.

So driving traffic to a site and being 100% white hat with it, and calling it "a PBN" is like guest posting and calling it a "linking blast" because it's similar in the aspect. Ultimately both are ways of building links, aren't they?

In fact, I should define the term PBN.

Even I know it's a blackhatforum , I see 2 kind of PBN :

1. PBN only for link building, and mostly not very quality (mostly sold in the marketplace to be honest)
2. PBN quality, it's what I'm actually building, it's a network of website, all the websites are legit, of course, idea is for backlinking my own website, but it's still a quality PBN, with quality content to drive traffic. In fact, it's real blogs, except if you are an expert, the blogs/websites in the PBN don't look like a PBN

So for the 1), of course, google analytics is irrelevant, but in the case of 2), I need analytics. Should I stay with AWstats (so based on the server, in no fingerprint), or add an analytics tool ?!

alexio said:

PBN quality, it's what I'm actually building, it's a network of website

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If it has that quality why do you fear exposing a footprint with GA?

I don't use that shit in my money sites and you are talking about PBN.

who checks traffic for PBNs? I think its irrelevant. WE WANT THE POWER.

And you can dress your PBN up however you like just know if you get a manual penalty you ain't gonna fool google.

alexio said:

Hello,

You are an happy PBN owner ? you managed a list of websites ?

Are you using google analytics (or no to avoid footprint)?

If no, are you using an other analytics tool ? (please, let the name of the tool in the comments)

Thank you

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I don't on most units.

If I want to track traffic, I use Yandex Metrica which is Russian service that leaves no footprint.

Alternatively, I experiment with WordPress plugins but most of them are quite inaccurate.

But even that is not required these days.

You can simply use 3rd party tools like Ahrefs or SEMrush and such to get basic overview of organic traffic. (take it with a grain of salt)

tiiberius said:

I don't on most units.

If I want to track traffic, I use Yandex Metrica which is Russian service that leaves no footprint.

Alternatively, I experiment with WordPress plugins but most of them are quite inaccurate.

But even that is not required these days.

You can simply use 3rd party tools like Ahrefs or SEMrush and such to get basic overview of organic traffic. (take it with a grain of salt)

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Yandex looks a great alternative, thanks, i'll check that.
for the stats of ahrefs,semrush,alexa,....it's not so relevant for small/niche website

alexio said:

Yandex looks a great alternative, thanks, i'll check that.
for the stats of ahrefs,semrush,alexa,....it's not so relevant for small/niche website

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Ahrefs is getting quite accurate for site with 100+ hits a month. Real traffic is usually even higher.

SirLouen said:

If it has that quality why do you fear exposing a footprint with GA?

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Because you need a google account to use analytics. You'll end up creating a huge footprint sooner or later that is likely to reduce the power of the network if google finds out all sites belong to you.

rafark said:

You'll end up creating a huge footprint sooner or later that is likely to reduce the power of the network if google finds out all sites belong to you.

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When you say "to you"? Who are you?
An individual? A company conglomerate?
As long as you have a good reputation as a whole (another white hat element) your sites will be safe. You can even insert in all of them the same AdWords ID and profit if you start driving visits for the content even if they only drive $10/mo per site.

One of the most popular film sites in my country, grown to the top position for most film-related keywords (extremely hard niche) in half a year.
How? A massive amount of interlinking from sites from the company conglomerate (which in fact is one of the most relevant in my country at the same time) and 0 reputation from outside the conglomerate. Somehow Google considered this new "domain" as a new vertical branch as if it were a folder within any of those highly reputed domains.

Don't fear the process. If you have a legit site, the footprint is less than relevant.
The footprint is only dangerous when you are tilted to a possible penalty. And this is the essence of the PBN. The problem is that over time, the marketing "gurus" have been selling other marketing gurus advice but including 1 or 2 extra white-hat tips. So after 5 or 6 years of shit over shit, now we see full white hat PBN that are still being called PBN and being feared as if they had the same issues as the original PBN concept.

I have a smal ask fro you pbn guys.
All websites need to have unique IP, how do you make that ? Do you have a server for each websites ?

If two PBN are linking to the same site, the must have different IP. But if you plan to throw the links to different sites from different domains in the PBN you don't need 2 different IP.

For example:
PBN1 => Money Site 1
PBN2 => Money Site 2
PBN3 => Money Site 1
PBN4 => Money Site 2

PBN 1 and 2 can share the same IP and PBN 3 and 4 can also share the same IP. But if you throw a link from PBN 2 to Money Site 1, then PBN2 needs a new different IP than PBN1 who was sharing before.
Theoretically, Search Engines backtrack the so-called "footprint", with the shared links.

Some hosts offer the option to purchase multiple IP.
If you are using regular hostings, you may have to purchase a hosting for each website (also some hostings offer multiple IP configuration).