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PBN and other services, a joke?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by The Profit Bird, Jun 4, 2016.

  1. The Profit Bird

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    Probably I will be launching 3 sales threads together and I was thinking of starting a PBN as well!
    Though I have never participated in any discussions or sold anything before but I used to read things from this forum.. I joined the forum in 2013.Almost 3-4 years back "Real sellers" had their PBNs which were quite awesome and highly expensive too!
    Was it worth the rates?
    I saw a 3-4 years old thread where 10 permanent blog posts were sold in almost $250.. A few sellers sold in even higher rates..
    FAIR ENOUGH.! Lack of competition and higher demands.!
    What I see currently is sellers selling permanent blog posts in so poor rates like $3-4 per post with unique content of more than 300 words..!

    A questions for all those "business minded" PBN owners..
    I want to start a PBN and need to buy,say, 50 domains with following requirements:
    1.TF 20+
    2. Google Indexed
    3.No adult backlinks
    4.English backlinks preferred
    5.DA 15+

    I have a few domains but I thought of buying more domains just for the PBN.!

    I searched domcop, expireddomains.net!
    Finally I asked a few sellers to provide domains with abive requirements..
    Nobody gave me less rates than $50 per domain.!
    The question is although you have been running those sites since long but what if somebody has to start a PBN now?
    calculate it
    Getting 50 domains
    Buying a few privacies would cost extra..
    Hositng would cost some more(obviously hosting is a recurring amount every month)
    Providing handwritten content of 300+ words( anybody providing content in cents could contact me anytime , obviously nobody would)
    And obviously man! The work you do is also an investment!

    How on earth do you settle with so low prices PBN owners? I mean ok $250 for 10 posts is too much but $3-4 per post with handwritten content ?BITCH PLEASE.! set a PBN for me and take $4 per post from me.. LOL
    How do you take your investment out?
    Either you think that orders in bulk would help you achieve so or you are real market spoilers!
    (Probably the latter one!)

    PS: Dear buyers, Please pay more to get more.. Try to understand that in a few dollars you can just purchase Naughty America's subscription.. You wont get a featured chick giving you a BJ in real.! Either dont ask much or give enough to get enough. And beware of people fooling you.. Many are reselling their PBNs! I mean reselling! seriously? PBN means a personal blog network.. what is the sense of being personal when the services are reselled( A client ordering 2 different sellers but both are reselling would lead to same IPs.. thats cheating ofcourse! ).

    Dear sellers, Dont spoil the standards just for sale..! Now, all the high metrices' domains are auctioned mostly.. What will you do once google deindexes current sites after an update? Invest more than $3000 in a PBN and sell a post in $3-4? you really think you are patient enough to wait for a thousand posts just to take the investment out and then start making real profit?
     
  2. Brad100

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    You're just outsourcing domain names etc from other sellers and looking to build a high quality network, that's why your total costs are estimating to be that much. I'm sure the PBN sellers here that charge $3-4 per post scrape their own domain names and use piss poor hosting networks at no more than a couple hundred bucks per year for the whole network.

    Oh, and by "unique content" these sellers mean "spun content" that'll pass copyscape, I ordered a few services from here and the content is not hand written, it is just spun. They probably have an automated way of generating hundreds of spun articles that are mostly not even that relevant to your keywords.

    So basically, their only investment is hosting, a VPS to run all the tools for scraping/spinning. They probably invest less than a thousand USD overall on a PBN including all hosting costs for the first year, and sell at least a few thousand dollars worth of posts on it (they probably link to hundreds of urls from each domain name) before the network either gets penalized or becomes useless due to the massive amount of outbound links on it.

    But there are some good sellers here that have high quality PBN sites such as @Leith. These guys don't undersell themselves because they have a quality product and are here to do long-term business.

    So yes, the people that charge a couple bucks per post are definitely making a lot of money, you either need to build a very high quality network and charge a hefty (possibly monthly) fees, or you can learn how to find PBN domain names for free (its not that hard, I'm talking from experience), and find a bunch of cheap hosting providers, buy a content spinner and charge $3-4 per post. You'll make money both ways, but the latter isn't a very stable/satisfying source of income.
     
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  3. The Profit Bird

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    Yes mate I do understand that there are still quality sellers.. I wanna be one of them maybe thats why I posted this before starting services..
    Also, I didn't asked domains from others first.. I have mentioned that I tried fetching domains for myself from dompcop and expireddomains(probably the best sites)..
    But as per the clients requirements, domains with high metrices are now difficult to fetch .. they are mostly auctioned now!
    And I tried personally contacting some sellers.. they are actually providing a homepage post with handwritten content in $4! Obviously I cant tell here who they are but its not tough to find them!
     
  4. Brad100

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    Check this thread out in the Jr.VIP section: http://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/ho...-world-how-to-make-internet-trillions.822448/

    I built a whole PBN (for my own sites) using this method, apply your own twists and you should definitely be able to find a bunch of awesome domain names.

    And as for the $4 per permanent homepage posts, they probably squeeze up to 20 or so posts on the homepage, that is $80 per PBN site, one site probably costs them way less than that to setup.
     
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    cool method..(Y)
     
  6. BreaknBrix

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    This is why you build a great PBN on your own then use that and only the top 2-3% services on BHW.

    There's great software for domains I use what's in my sig. If you rent it for 3 months you can find all the domains you need. Figure around $1000-$1300 + 1-2 months of transcribing content using dragon naturally speaking. Just rent old library books not published online. Then "spin read" the content from the books into your PBNs. You can get the content laid down 200+ WPM and it reads very well. Which means I spend most my time just organizing, optimizing, formatting, adding images etc after the text is sprayed through the mic.

    I make all my sites look like real businesses. Give them all unique logos 10-20 mins in photoshop. Keep a swipe folder with logos and learn the pen and shape tool. Figure 50 X $100 = $5000 just for 50 logos vs 50 X 15mins = 1 day work? It takes more time than that but I still do it on my own. Cause I save time with other people doing shit I never like. Then 2-3 primary / dominant color patterns to make them look branded. Phone numbers and professional emails on the homepage.

    And I don't do 1000 posts. It's closer to 900 on all MY .com sites and I'm in one of the top 400 most competitive local niches. CPC of $140. My biggest PBN is 54 pages. But I do have some old web 2.0 around 4 years and thousands of posts. It's always good to have old, strong investments which is why you INVEST NOW.

    We also spy on our top competitors OFFLINE. That's 1 of the most useful things you can do. Hire someone to get hired for them. Vacuum out their business models. We find where they source "resources" then find better resources to provide better service. It's not hard since most people do it wrong. Just takes practice and work. You slowly fade out all your competition by exposing and reeducating the market. That takes focus off them and shifts it on you.
     
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  7. Sugirl

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    Stop talking nonsense man.. First you dont save 5k by making the logos yourself, you maybe save $1 for each logo..
    Than.. That software actually is pretty bad you are just trying to get aff commission from it/owner paid to promote it. It can hardly EVER find anything decent...if all you look is DA/PA than I got some bad news for you pal..

    You can setup a pretty decent PBN for $20 for a year/each . that includes dropcatching a good domain /using wayback machine for content and using dollar/free hosting.

    Btw I would never ever buy a PBN posts from anyone because 100% Guaranteed they will be oversold sooo much that you will hardly get any juice out of them + you seriously risk your website by buying links from those shit networks..
     
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  8. Sugirl

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    Btw If you want to do it properly you don't need 100 pbn links, Make the PBN yourself and link from each PBN to max 2-3 sites ( YES!! 2-3 websites from each pbn domain )
    , I have seen insane jumps from just 3-5 good links from my own networks. Usually however I just make just 1 link from each pbn domain..
     
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    What do I actually do with this? :? What's it related to? The PBN, seriously?
     
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    "Risking the website".. HOW?
     
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    Never in my life have I seen a good logo for $10 nevermind 1 DOLLAR. "Barely acceptable" logos start around $20 and even at $100 I'm still not impressed by most the shit I've seen. If you're buying logos for $1 you're buying garbage, stolen garbage or both.

    I don't get commissions there's no affiliate link. And I don't get paid by the owner like you think. It was more a "good will" deal. I needed a custom plan that was asking a lot. The owner thought of a better deal. I thanked him and put his banner in my sig. However, since I haven't actually used that deal yet I'm technically promoting it for free. Which I'm happy to do cause I recommended DHG dozens of times LONG BEFORE it ever was in my sig. I'm not taking it out of my sig just to appear less bias when I am bias, I like the damn program and you've cited 0 reasons not to use it.

    If you used the software more than 1 week and LEARNED IT you'd know that's utterly false. You can find dozens of good domains every day, I'm not the only one, I've also SEEN countless people rent the software just to launch BSTs, markup the price and sell expired domains. A lot of those sellers will rush and sell shit domains purely based on metrics. But that's their fault not the software.

    I use the best seed lists I can create & let it work it's magic. And I have 2 simple formulas I use for filtering down domains (courtesy of Nick Flame).

    If (PR x 10 + DA + PA + TF + CF) > 80 then I spam check and run the domains through ahrefs & majestic.

    Then if the backlinks are spam free and high quality I register the domain. Yes, you still need to vet every domain. Yes, it still requires WORK (how sad) but I don't know of any program or metric scrubber that streamlines the process as fast as DHG. I've used MANY methods on this forum, wasted thousands on brokers... tried scrapebox, xenu, expired domains.... all that shit does is waste time doing things DHG already does automatically. If you know a program that integrates all the stats & features DHG does... for a lower price I'd love to hear...

    Sounds like a great way to NSEO.

    We agree on 1 thing. Yay.

    I had to read your post 2 times then skim read it multiples times just to understand what you're asking / stating / complaining about... and I still don't understand. Maybe because you used 1000 exclamation points & question marks. Maybe English isn't your native language or maybe I'm retarded.

    All I know is you:

    A) asked how to make a 50 site PBN! (which I tried to answer, looking back I wouldn't do it again)
    B) complained about the entire marketplace and prices being too cheap!
    C) asked both buyers and sellers to buy / offer higher priced shit!

    Parts B & C are just vague, useless, loaded rants about nothing. They're impossible to address in any type of sane or coherent way. That's why I ignored all that shit and just focused on A. I told you how I'd build a 50 site PBN. It wasn't meant to help you. If it confused you that's probably what my real intent was.

    -BB
     
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  12. The Profit Bird

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    All I tried to say was "pay more to get more"
    Also points B and C were not vague.. they may be useless for you anyways..
    And yes $100 per logo? strange.
     
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    Lots of digital marketers who have PBNs use under the radar domain brokers they have relationships with. That way they can find better deals on domain costs. That said, many PBNs in existence really are not that well done, but they do the job.
     
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    There are so many fundamental misunderstanding in your question, so I'm just going to answer the first 3 I see.

    You don't know anything about the results of a PBN, but you want to sell one on here? I know @t0mmy, @BassTrackerBoats and the other BST review staff won't be approving your thread if you're just a beginner, exactly as they should.

    This is the type of stuff the BST section has trying to cut down on. Rookie sellers offering a bunch of threads.

    That's because the best sellers know how to pay themselves so they can live adequately. There's no money in undercutting and working for pennies like some members have seemed to be doing.
     
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    "You don't know anything about the results of a PBN"
    "Rookie sellers offering a bunch of threads."

    Just because I never offered any service here doesn't make me a rookie, mate :)
    The post wasn't meant to be offensive.


    By worth it I meant the sky rocket rates of $25 per post on a pbn where the owners sell posts on a public forum and call it private and Google proof.

    And yeah.. Bunch of threads to be approved or not leave it to moderators.. I'm providing quality so they'll surely gonna approve the threads + there isn't any rule of not having multiple threads by a guy with less posts.

    I did a simple market survey from 6,7 sellers and got these rates for domains.

    The only issue I had was why are the sellers degrading the quality of bst by selling snake oil.
     
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    i kinda agree with this post. i have purchased a lot of services from Bsts here, and i'm convinced even the ones at $10-$15 per post won't get much results because of the lack of topical relevancy. Even if you go for the niche services for PBNs, it stilt be that effective for the money you spend.
     
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    I know you may not be a rookie SEO-wise, and yes it was judgemental, but I concluded that by some of your misunderstandings and questions.

    Right, these PBNs are public. As long as they are limited and closed off as they fill up, there's nothing wrong with them. Use buffer sites if you are worried.

    It's going to be harder to get approved, because the guys are really going to be testing your ability at what you're offering now. If you're selling domains, which has been getting increasingly difficult to do lately, compared to when I started in 2014, it's going to be tough. If you can pull it off, I'd be impressed but the new mods are going to check for things like clean anchor profiles, diversified referring domains, etc. Trust flow means nothing and can be skewed with a single backlink. I've had domains with as low as 1 backlink have TF15+ or 20+. It's really irrelevant to the quality of a domain. If you have 3+ contextual ******** backlinks from articles on DA75+ sites, that's the quality that people are charging $50+ for. This is just my $0.02 based on my experience from crawling and finding about 30,000+ decent expired domains from my custom scripts over the past ~2 years.
     
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    I wont be selling domains.
    And yes it is hard to get approved but I hope I will provide them quality work. :)
     
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    What people don't understand is that Content and Hosting cost the sellers a LOT if they are using quality ones. Even bulk prices on a decent handwritten article of 400 words is $2+ for any kind of quality. Then a decent non-SEO host will cost each PBN domain $3-$10 if they are using AAA hosts. Anybody can cut corners and use $0.50 spun articles, and host on $9/year hosts... but you won't see any longterm gain off that. Ironically, the metrics that EVERYBODY here seems obsessed with are the LEAST important thing of building a successful network. Content, uniqueness, hosting, and T2 linking are ALL far far far more important.

    -ThopHayt
     
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    $9 is cutting the corners far less than some! Many buy a reseller package for under $15/month and just have a stash of unique IPs, but they all come from the same subnet.
     
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