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Discussion in 'Making Money' started by Defon, Apr 25, 2013.

  1. Defon

    Defon Regular Member

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    Well well well... I have read these posts over the years and now it's me. I wish I could say I didn't already know it was going to happen one day...

    So I have about $5K in P.. P.. Money in hold.
    I accepted money from one of my sellers as a gift on my main paypal account.

    Well it was dumb but I wasn't thinking right...

    Well it turns out he sent me over $13K in about 8 days... I didn't notice. lol

    Now I have $8K of payments pending.

    100 of these disputes are A GIFT from one of my peeps.

    The rest is money I sent to other paypal accounts.

    Luckily I took all but $3,500 out of the account and then moved the funds. Plus my other sellers...

    I believe what happened is my seller ignored a few messages from Ebay and then he was selling 20 to 25 items a day.
    So he thew a flag and got his ebay and PP accounts limited.

    Then two days later (today) they are disputing all the money he gift to me in the last 3 or 4 days.
    Now they are asking:

    100 disputes for the gifts.

    Now I have shipping information for about 80% of these and will have shipping info for the rest in the next few days.

    BUT MY CONCERN IS... I was stupid and accepted these payments as a gift. I am concerned if I admit this they will ban my account.
    But at the same time each "gift" payment has a name and product... so I can't really say it was a payment of a loan... grrr

    But if I could simply give them tracking number to show the items were delivered then they will release the items accordingly.

    I am going to all my forums to post this... If you help me out with good info PM me please. I will be grateful with some money and or I will show you how I am making $1K a day on ebay. :) I won't give you all my resources of course but just enough to make you some good cash. And now.. it's not black hat.. everyone who pays gets their product.
     
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    Best Suggestion - Submit what Paypal have asked & wait for Them to remove limition !

    Noate : If you do something wrong , they can block your accout
     
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  4. Defon

    Defon Regular Member

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    THANKS EVERYONE!!
    I not out of the woods yet but your tips and advice make me feel better.

    Even if this account is blocked I just wanted my $5 +/- thousand dollars. Not all of that money was profit some was cost for the products.. good thing I have seasoned stealth account ready and waiting. I have never needed to use stealth accounts as primary account but this looks like it is about to change.
     
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    $1K a day on eBay? Wow that's a phenomenal amount of money to be making on eBay each day!
     
  6. lanbo

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    Is it a permanent limitation or are they requesting documents?
     
  7. MoreMoneyMoreProblem

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    Recently I had PayPal permanently limit my account that held on $500 on it but in this economy it goes a short ways but is needed.

    Anyway with some creative research on the phone with PayPal this is what I have found out about how everything works.

    If you set up 2 accounts using the same IP and send cash from one to another you will get limited due to "suspicious" activity.

    If someone is allowing you to use their name on a PayPal, if you live in the same house hold they will limit you because of the same address once again "suspicious" activity.

    Don't fall into their trap when it comes to 3 ways of confirming your SS number... you enter it, you will be linked, all your accounts will be limited.

    It does help the initial dispute if you actually call them on the phone and talk to them after their 15-20 minutes on wait for a representative.


    When PayPal links accounts, grabs duplicate addresses and IP addresses they will consider your account "high risk" and permanently limit your account.

    Then it will be a very big pain in the ass to do anything with PayPal afterwards, but I am going threw this now and figuring somethings out but not fast enough since I need cash for rent and bills.

    This is what I have found out so far on how to set up another account that won't have a limit a day coming to you...

    Find a friend who will let you set up a PayPal in their name...

    Go with your friend and buy a netspend card at Walmart or order one from PayPal Prepaid in their name.

    Confirm the account with Netspend card with its personal bank account and then its in your friends name and your good to go... use a proxy!

    Be nice to your friend and give them like 5% of every $100 made... so $2k is like $100.
     
  8. Defon

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    It was a temp limitiation till this morning.
    I just spoke to a rep on the phone, Since I accepted $13K as a gift from one of my sellers I am Screwed.

    They shut down my account. She said it won't matter if I enter tracking info for each dispute... since I broke the rules they will credit my seller. The question is, will they give the money in a week or 180 days. Yikes...

    So I'm working with the guy who sent me the money to get the issue resolved.

    They haven't limited my second account YET, but since this one is negative $8,900 it will be just a matter of time before I am off the PP thing.

    Now I wonder if I should even give those turds the money. Once my seller gets the funds compelete from paypal he'll give me the money (not via PP) and I keep it.

    Then I'm sure PP will take me to court. LOL I love court. I am 6 for 6 in the court system with companies almost as big as PP. I'm over due for a new court battle. They will get some money in the end but I can drag out the court thing for a few years and settle down. Unless of course they claim criminal charges (which I don't believe they have grounds). I'm married to a lawyer and half my buddies offline are lawyers. It could be one of my most impressive legal battles yet.

    DING DING DING... let the games begin.

    If PP would only place nice we could have done this the nice way. LOL

    PS. If / When I get served papers I will need admin to edit this post. LOL
     
  9. Defon

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    I have read these opinion before in many ebooks. But I have had 2 PP accounts for about 5 or 6 years.

    In fact for years when I call PP they ask for my email address and I ask "For which PP account?"

    They are cool. I read in the TOS of PP you can have one for personal and one for business... even though I made both of these PP accounts a business account.

    My wife also has a PP account and uses the same IP address for years.

    But I do believe they will shut my PP account down if / when I don't pay them the $8,900. It will take 1 or 2 weeks before they say it.. I have had one account go negative $300 for almost 3 weeks before they shut the other down.. I paid the $300 off from the PP account that was in good standing.

    In fact I had almost a $1,000 in the good standing PP account and they still didn't dip into the money to pay off the negative balance on the other... I was surprised by this. In fact I wish they would have, it would have saved me a 30 mins phone call.

    I do like the "have a friend " open a PP account in their name idea. I have a few broke ass family members who would love to do this for me. BUT I AM DONE... the only way to beat PP at their own games is to remove them from the play ground.

    I have a system in place now my money will never touch PP again.

    I will battle with them off line for a year or two , or three but besides that I am done with them. 8 to 10 years was a good run. I have no hard feelings, it's just business.



     
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    Remove limitation or ask the sender to request his money back and send it some other way (check, direct deposit)
     
  11. MoreMoneyMoreProblem

    MoreMoneyMoreProblem BANNED BANNED

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    May I ask what is your alternative to PayPal? I am still trying to find something that a lot of people access and use.

    The only common one I am finding is PayPal... maybe Google Checkout?
     
  12. sreiaanellujkof

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    What about Skrill?
     
  13. Defon

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    I am not letting my REAL money (larger than a few $100) touching an online payment system again. All going to be direct deposited into a REAL checking account.

    But I am doing experiments with Propay, money bokers and now Skrill. I will do small transactions for FFEE BAY just as a test.

    Keep in mind I am not really selling on FEEbay... my resellers are so I'm not in a hurry to get propay and stuff working right away.
     
  14. Defon

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    Wow.. this sh*t is stupid.
    I am just starting to realize... since PP limited my account and took my money then the 2 peeps on fee bay I told I would refund thier money ain't get'n sh*T.
    So i broke the rules of the gift thing... well now I'm about to piss off a few buyers who will feel like they got ripped off on Fee bay.

    It just doesn't make sense. So now I'm listing some items on my ebay account and linking it to my other PP account... from my experience my good standing PP account will be good to work with for 2 weeks. So I'm now selling some hot items and should bring in $1,000 in revenue. That will be enough to send a some shipping lables and refunds. But the people making bids today will have to claim a buyer protection plan. All bullsh*t. I really want to send everyone what they paid for but PP has prevented that from being possible.

    I promised 3 people I would refund them and I will at all costs. But the 3 new peeps today... well they are own their own.
     
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    hey can u check your pm, i pm
     
  16. Defon

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    I never got your PM... ... I will pm you @gigimirk
     
  17. Defon

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    Update: I added tracking numbers for 5 of the PP payments, then 10 of the disputes I instructed PP to refund (it hasn't shipped) and the rest ... about 90 disputes, I just ignored and didn't tell them anything. So from my research I believe they are going to refund all the disputes no MATTER what I tell them. But it's not all good news... I bet they give all $13,000 back to the sender and THEN THEY HOLD the senders funds for 180 days... bunch of turds.

    But after reveiwing square and a few other payment systems online, they ALL DO THIS. It is almost like if they suspect fraud or just too much money they hold the money for 6 months.. so if there are legal issues that pop up they funds are in their control.

    I thought I would sue PP at first but I bet , since every online merchant system does this... that it is with in the legal limits. I'm still going to retain a lawyer and maybe try and get paid interestet and legal fees paid for. Even if I don't win anything it will be worth finding out for $1,000 to $2,000 investment.... it's the only way to really know if I have power over PP... I have a team of sellers who still use PP and I need to know everything about them.

    --- I JUST SEARCHED AND FOUND THIS SITE: http://www.screw-paypal.com/
    They have lawyers who have won, judges that have ruled against PP AND case law, addresses to serve PP in your state and MUCH MUCH more to sue and WIN... I'm totally have a NEW HOBBY!! YIPPY!! I am 6 for 6 for lawsuits and just got served again on Friday... hehehehe... no, I'm not a lawyer but I married one... she doesn't have fight in her but turns out I have enough fight for the both of us. GAME ON PP!!! Let's roll!!
     
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  18. Defon

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    Update: PP finally returned all the money the sender. His account is a little over $11K but as I suspected his account is limited.
    By giving the tracking numbers to PP the money would have been returned sooner... but we are still with out access to the funds. Fun fun...
     
  19. Defon

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    Update: Paypal called me wanting me to bring my negative $6,900 balance. LOL

    I told them since they gave the money back to the guy I sent products then I must go to court to see that guy. In paypal world I don't deserve the money but in a court of law I do. So PP will need to wait for 3 month to 10 months till the court thing is resolved. Then I basically hung up on them.

    Interesting thing, my wife's PP account is back to good standing and even her PP CC is active again. So we both shared ip and even same computer to access PP over the years and when they shut down my PP account they realized it wasn't me.. yet anyway.
     
  20. Defon

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    I GOT MY MONEY!!! NNAAA NAAA A BOO BOO!! ;-)

    It took forever but at 180 days the funds were released. I have one more account with $4k in about 3 weeks it will be 180 days. Now I"m complete stealth and using 3 or 4 different accounts to accept money on each stealth account. Don't think for a second PP won't take your money. I was a fool and had to learn the hard way.