Paypal Heads Up

But two accounts with the same name and same IP is alright. I have two PayPals one my personal and one for my business still with my name.Got the same address just different bank accounts that it linked to.

Go figure...


One IP - two accounts with different names, I'd guess that's the initial flag that starts this.
 
thanks God that have never happened to my account.
I have a business account with bank account and credit card verified and SSN as well.
I hope they don't come up with some BS in the future.
 
Keep your paypals dried up and they'll never ban you. Their eyes pops out looking at high figures and will do their BS with those accounts.
 
Syndrome of economy downturn. Every corporation is saving, cutting budget and squeezing money out of their staff and client.
 
A good tip to everyone who uses paypal. This is a way to secure your money just in case paypal ever freezes it.

Have someone you know that has a different last name send you some money, for example we will say have them send you $700. You pay him back in cash with the $700. That way there is a transaction now at $700. If paypal ever freezes your account and you have about $500 in there, then refund your friend for whatever is in your paypal account that way you get your money out of there. When your account is frozen, paypal WILL let you honor refunds.

I did this about a year ago when they froze my account, you know what they done? They reversed the last 100 odd legit payments i had sent, including payments for hosting, domains with Godaddy, Advertising etc as "suspicious".

The worst thing was, the email they sent to these 100 people didn't say why and it looked like i issued chargebacks on everything.

I was working 14 hour days for 2 weeks getting cash from my AU bank, and organizing alternate payments for 100 different people. The whole thing set me back 15k. It was such a mess the Gaypal supervisor couldn't make sense of what money belonged where.

Try anything to get your cash out of the fuckers, but they are unpredictable at best.
 
My paypal just got frozen and they took money from me for my affiliate commissions...How gay is that...

they are trying to say I'm the sender of a product when Im an affiliate and I was paid my commissions. Now I have a negative balance in paypal then they are refusing to lift my access until I provide a shipping number!!!!

How they hell am I supposed to provide a shipping/tracking number when I didnt even sell a product? lol they are really starting to P*** me off!

Sucks theres no other way around this!
 
I got my account stolen from me because they didnt like how frequently i withdrew money... they are thieves. people need to drop gaypal

wouldn't just getting there debit card and then anytime you get money in there, just take it out and do what someone else said, just dont get anything put in there for a day or so but i guess with everyone on here making so much money there isnt much one can do..but they limited my account i had for 8 months but its because i owned a porn site that had my subscriptions going on it---which was stupid but everyone knows about PP and they trust it.

neways, i would just make another one with a difference CC and bank account, let it sit for a month and then try not to make the same mistake you did before...take out the money you have in it or do what someone said, pay someone and have them fund you the money so you know its secure.

just my 2 cents...
 
no problems here but they've blocked my debit card numerous times because I was spending+bank withdrawing too fast :/ fucking paypal blows ass
 
Yeh paypal is probably not making much money due to bad economy, of course they have to keep the ebay stock price up, so now they are in the business of steeling money by freezing accounts ;)

I highly recommend you use a merchant account for your witehat business, and always keep you paypal balance very low by frequently withdrawing money. Additionally if paypal fucks with you (they freezed my account with $2K in the past) visit paypalsucks.com for advice on how to quickly get your money back by filling bbb complaints etc.
 
do not keep any money in your account, as soon as you get it withdraw it, fuck paypal
 
one of my accounts today got limited. They must be having a slow month in income where they have to go on a account freezing streak. wonder how much interest they make.
 
I had mine frozen once due to a lot of chargebacks. I did got my money out but after 6 months. One thing they dont like is more than 3-5% chargebacks. Some products will have more than that. It doesnt matter if u promptly refund people - they still dont like that.

Have u tried calling them? ? I was fighting hard not to give S*#*T to the poor woman on the phone. She was like a robot, just repeating my question and giving me canned answers. Then I got transferred to accounts. Ok, i spoke to a human there !lol
But u could tell from his voice that they guy KNEW they were fucked up and didnt have answers - but nothing he could do.

What PISSES ME OF ROYALLY is why the hell Google who sit on billions dont just buy them OR move ahead with google checkout! They could even start your account with a free $5 as an incentive! For the majority of people (buyers) it would be like another sign-up with their CC!
I just dont get it!!! Electronic monetary transactions will become even more in the future.

I wish I had 100mil to start my own company ! lol

just venting guys ,,,
 
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I hate paypal, they froze my account for no reason. unfortunately I have yet to find a good alternative....paper checks for now.
 
I got hit by paypal as well for 1k .I was banned from EPN last month interesting how when I was supposed to receive payment Paypal closed my account.
 
A good tip to everyone who uses paypal. This is a way to secure your money just in case paypal ever freezes it.

Have someone you know that has a different last name send you some money, for example we will say have them send you $700. You pay him back in cash with the $700. That way there is a transaction now at $700. If paypal ever freezes your account and you have about $500 in there, then refund your friend for whatever is in your paypal account that way you get your money out of there. When your account is frozen, paypal WILL let you honor refunds.

This is something I do, I have not had my account frozen in a long time but when it did I was able to get my money out right away.

Do this with only someone you trust.

Great idea! Too bad we have to assume that we're gonna get screwed.
 
OMG there are so many people that think PayPal is rubish and that PayPal scams people. Why don't we do something about this??? There are thousands of people who think the same, why don't we just stop using PayPal in our online shops etc... and make some Anti-PayPal website where we will spread the Anti-PayPal Love to everyone??

Edit: Something like:
http://www.paypalsucks.com
But with more effectiveness. :)
 
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Guys, it is known that paypal "ban" or "freeze" accounts randomly even legit accounts because

a) they can do it, it's in their terms of service, they are allow to limit or freeze ur hard earned money for ANY reasons they deem suitable, which is why you keep hearing about paypal banning accounts for no reasons. They are not a bank and you have waived any protection of bank or credit card consumers under their terms of service.

b) they actually use the money they freeze from u for 6 months to earn INTERESTS . I am not kidding. That means every 6 months or whatever, they go on a spree of freezing accounts with decent money in them and use these money combined to get 6 month interests somewhere. Plus remember some people will forget or give up on chasing the freezed money after 6 months so that's even more money for paypal. Have you ever heard of people with small amount of money $50 or less getting their money freezed? No, paypal want the big fishes, those with $400 , $2000 and more to go into their pool of interest earning fund.

c) Paypal also likes to do 2 more things, make the customers whose accounts are freezed jumps through verification hoops. This means they will keep asking u to send identity information via fax and stuff and claim they never received it. This is done to delay and make people give up on claiming their own rightful money. Second thing they enjoy doing is not being contactable easily. This means giving standard emails replies, giving vague answers on telephone and not listing their numbers too freely. Again, they don't want to hear from you about getting ur money back, so why would they want to hear from u?

do i need to mention how much paypal sucks for sellers? anyone can chargeback on you after getting ur product and claim they never received or it was a hacker's doing. Paypal always automatically chargeback to buyers favor.

Bottom line, if you choose to continue using paypal , you are a fool and sucker. Or you will be one day, it's not whether or will, it's a matter of WHEN because like i've said, paypal picks accounts to freeze so that they can earn interest in the 6 months.

Do two things after reading this

a)Get your money out asap and close all accounts u have with them. Or at least leave no more cash in them and then never use them again.

b) use ur own credit card or debit card for purchases, anyone can get a debit card or vcc easily these days, as easy as opening a bank account almost. no excuses for this, protect your own interests.

C) request others to skip paypal because you find them to be dubious. If you are receiving payment from so and so website, email them and tell them your reasons and then offer a alternative payment method you wish them to ADD to payment methods. this works better if you can gather more support from the same community related. The more websites endorses companies beside paypal, guess what? The better it is for u, me and everybody else. More choices is always better for consumers.

So what alternative is there beside Paypal? I personally recommend Moneybookers. Why?

Seller pay nothing for receiving payment. Thats right. FREE. Instead of paypal shitty 3.4% and 30cents charge, buyer is charged the cost of sending at fixed 1% of total fee. Meaning a mere 20 cents for a 20 dollars product for example. Even better it is only up to $70 , any amount after that is still charged at 70cents. Do you see why this is way better than paypal?

Two other that are on the same standard are alertpay and paypay. Any of these 3 choices will be better than paypal and lastly, u can try google checkout but keep in mind they are raising fees to same or even slightly higher than paypal from May onwards so they are greedy for money and stupid as well and they like screwing adsense publishers so i don't like them personally.

To Shadedream , i am defintely in favour of your idea and making it as big as possible. If all of us put in abit of effort , we can easily spread the anti paypal message easily. Imo, the best way to hurt paypal is

a) use legal process via collected complaints to make them change their terms of service and practices
b) generate enough bad press in mainstream media, a PR nightmare and smear campaign
c) ensure as many as 50% of the customers close their account with paypal before paypal close theirs and steal their money. Smear campaign again. Hit them where it hurts.

The internet is run by web users and specifically, community of people. It's the last fucking place on this planet where anyone is free and not owned by any god damn coporation, company or government. I'm damn sure tired of coporations like paypal, ebay and google playing games and
screwing the common people even in this current economic crisis to feed their overweight CEO bonuses packages.

How do the rest of u guys think/

That's all for now. FUCK PAYPAL. LOL.
 
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They froze my account for security reasons after I sent a payment internationally. I don't even use my PP for anything BH and I've had my account for like 8 years. I had to provide a whole bunch of info to unfreeze my account.

They gave me the last 2 digits of my credit card and made me provide the whole account number, billing address, expiration date, and the 3 numbers on the back of the card. Next, I had to provide a home phone number. A cell phone won't work. They gave me a pin # on their site right before they called my home phone, which I had to type on the phone when they called.

Jumping through the above hoops lifted sending and receiving limits, but finally, to lift withdrawal limits I had to confirm a 4 digit code that appears on my cc statement from a small cc charge from PP. I did everything and now my account is fully functional. But it really dawned on me that it just wouldn't work to use fake PP accounts for black hat stuff, especially if you had a lot of money going into the accounts. PP would freeze your accounts eventually and you couldn't lift the limits because the account would have fake info, and you'd lose all your money.
 
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