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Pagerank does mean!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Descartes, Aug 4, 2010.

  1. Descartes

    Descartes Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Well, I started my site about 3 weeks ago, and I'm trying to dominate the keyword I have researched for. But one thing I always read is that PR means nothing, but I have to tell you that in this case, it is meaning, and a lot.
    I have waaaay more backlinks that any of the search results on page one, and I'm still on the 8th position, so the only thing that I could realized is that is because my PR is 0 and the other are all 3 and 4.
    What do you guys think about this? Is it maybe because of the age of other sites? They are pretty old too.
    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. xxmalouinxx

    xxmalouinxx Junior Member

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    PR are meaning something, but most of the time, this isn't the something you think. Maybe you got more backlink than other website higher than you, but maybe they got more quality backlink. I mean backlink from PR4-5-6 website.
     
  3. Descartes

    Descartes Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Well, I don't think so, because I've checked all their backlinks and they are not from high PR sites, and most of them are even nofollow, but my backlinks are most of them d o f o l l o w and they come from high PR sites, like you said 4 5 and 6, so it may be the age or the PR the reason why i cant out rank them.
    what is your experience with PR?
     
  4. wolfmann

    wolfmann Newbie

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    My experience with PR :
    When I started to don't care about it and stopped creating backlinks, it suddenly increased
     
  5. Descartes

    Descartes Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Well but that is arbitrary, it can be a coincidence, how long did it take to your site to go from PR0 to PR1?
    I've heard about sites that go from PR0 to PR4 in 4 months, that would be tight.
     
  6. jmason616

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    You also have to think about the on page SEO factor as well. Keyword density, etc...
     
  7. MagicMike

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    Also, the newness of your website matters. G is just going to make you wait. I go through this all the time. More links, better on-page SEO, etc... but it just takes a little time. I've heard it called "trust rank". I believe it. It takes time for the Big G to "trust" your site.

    A little patience, and doing what you're doing will go a long way.
     
  8. thesaintv12

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    I agree with MagicMike, the age of your site (not just the domain) makes a big difference. That doesnt' mean that it won't rank it will just take time while G keeps checking that the site is being updated etc.

    I have found that getting links from established sites (not just comment links) helps to speed the process up, but I am yet to find a way to speed the PR ranking process up.
     
  9. peter2002

    peter2002 Senior Member

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    You'll have a hard time with your new site to outrank the sites in front of you if they are aged authority sites. Just be patient, continue your backlinking, add content, etc.
     
  10. Dadelius

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    Pagerank does make a difference. My keyword is highly competitive with 92,000 searches and I've taken my site about as high as I can get it on a PR3, I'll have to wait for the next PR update where I'm expecting a PR4 or PR5 which will then let me rank in the top spots for that particular keyword. Speaking of which the PR update should be anytime now....
     
  11. simurad

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    just wanna share my expierence iam not an expert in IM at all and for the past month ive been using shezmethod and its amazing hw that i didnt do any seo at ALL and my website got to the 2 page of g&&gle.. i dont know what way you are using but consider using the shezmethod even if you dont want to rely on it totaly but just start with it and get to 500 followers and stop if u want to whether you have a website or a blog i think when you dont pay any attention to giigle they actually start ruunning after u
     
  12. fvcktheworld

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    In my opinion pr goes along with age, and age does matter. Also like mentioned above, on-site SEO is very important.

    That being said, the pr of the sites above you is higher because of age/good backlinks/traffic/on-site Seo, so if you are looking at how they got the pr that is what matters. I hope that makes sense. I don't think it has to do with their pr that they are ahead of you, but more how they achieved that page rank.

    Hope that helps and makes some sense.
     
  13. Descartes

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    What do you guys mean with on site SEO? More specifically please!
    If you are asking for the keyword density, im keeping it at 5~6% so im ok with that
     
  14. GreyWolf

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    When people tell you that PR doesn't matter, what they're talking about is the PR of your own site. In other words, unless you're planning to flip your site or sell ads on your site then the PR of your page doesn't matter. Just concentrate on promoting your site and don't worry about what the PR of your own pages are.

    But when it comes to getting backlinks, then PR does become important. Not the PR of your own page, but the PR of the pages you get backlinks on. You definately want to get as many backlinks from as many high PR pages as you can. Doing that can have a big impact on the indexing of your site. (It will also have a big effect on the PR of your own pages, but again the PR of your own site isn't important unless you plan to flip the site or sell advertising.)

    Of course if you're creating link silos then the PR of those sites will be important. The reason for that is because the point of the link silo is to have a highly relevant backlink to your main site and so it's better for the link silo to have a high PR. Typically when you create a link silo you will be creating linkwheels or other structured backlinking strategy that is designed to feed as much PR as possible to the link silo.

    So basically PR is not important for your own page, but PR of the pages you're getting backlinks from is very important.

    Hope that helps clear up the PR issue for you. :cool:
     
  15. bartemt

    bartemt Registered Member

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    h1/h2 tags, title tag, URL, and content itself having keywords.

    What I like to do is make h1 look exactly like normal meat text if a good keyword appears naturally in a middle of an article. Don't overdo this though.. more than a few h1's on a page looks unnatural.
     
  16. madoctopus

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    PR means nothing! Nothing! Plus, the PR in the google toolbar is a couple of month old (cached). You rank only 8 because the combination of factors that are used to determine your position in the SERPs is weaker than your competitor's. The most important factor is obviously backlinks. If you have more, they probably have better and/or more relevant links.
     
  17. darkknight

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    In other forum I exposed a SEO "Certified Expert" website with PR 0.
    But the people on the forum are laughed at me, claimed that PR is useless.

    Is there a real SEO expert certificate?
     
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  18. GreyWolf

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    PR doesn't actually mean 'Nothing', it's just that it isn't really all that important for your own site. But when building backlinks the PR of the pages your getting backlinks from is important. There are many other SEO factors that google considers, but PR is the foundation of the google algorithm and as much as it's changed over time, it's still the core of how google determines the importance of your backlinks.

    You're also right that the PR in the toolbar is out of date. That isn't because it's cached, it's because google decided giving the PR info in realtime would give too valuable a tool for people trying to figure out the algorithms. So the google algorithms calculate and use the actual PR info in realtimem but they only post the PR of a site every few months. Typically about 4 times a year.

    So as I said before, don't worry about the PR of your site because it really isn't very important. But when you're building backlinks, definately try to find at least some high PR backlinks. Google does consider relevant backlinks from high PR sites to be 'better and/or more relevant links'.
     
  19. cool5now

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    PR is a ranking factor but you shouldn't be obsessed with it is the popular opinion. The reason your site is not ranking above the other sites is because it isn't as developed. The other sites have probably been steadily gathering links for a number of years. Google trusts them and likes the fresh content they are putting on. If you keep building backlinks at a steady pace and keep producing good content that will please visitors your rank will go up and up. If the content is crap and the visitors are bouncing off left right and centre and noone is naturally linking to you it is going to be a hard uphill battle.
     
  20. SEOpie

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    i have read ppl mentioning the importance of new content on site. I have a question if someone can shed some light on it..

    Lets say if its specific product site where not much new information is available.. does posting some comments on the site can be considered as new content or do you have to add new articles every now & then ? Also does adding a testimonial on site can be categorized as new content?

    Thanks