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Page Backlinks or Domain Backlinks?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by userlogsin, Dec 5, 2009.

  1. userlogsin

    userlogsin Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    He Guys

    I have been trying to do a little research on new keywords that I can rank for.

    An question that amuses me is;

    When considering Strength Of Competition what is more important - Backlinks to Page (BLP) or Backlinks to Domain(BLD)?

    Assuming 50 BLPs and 50,000 BLDs, do you think it is possible to rank for it (assuming it is not an authority site in the category)?

    Any help will be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. mirrorer

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    do them both,60% deep linking and 40% home page.
     
  3. farking

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    yeah, that answer had nothing to do with your question...

    I'm also interested in this, if anyone has some advice. I'm going up against some walmart types for a keyword. They sell the same product, and they have way more backlinks to their sites then I could ever get, but they only have 50-100 to the page (and it is by no means there focus).

    Personally my thoughts are that if someone isn't actively optimizing for those pages it's doable...but I'm about to find out
     
  4. DutchRebel

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    Those links are usualy also anchord "walmart" or "click here" or something like that. So with proper anchors you shouild be able to beat them with a keyworded domain and proper links. But it can take some time to overtake them.
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  5. Iwona

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    yes, you can have better chance of over ranking them if you do more than 50-100 odd links they have, just do back linking regularly.
     
  6. mirrorer

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    You're right.
    Sorry,i didn't read it carefully.
     
  7. toxtom

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    hahah 5posts and still no one haven't ANSWERED his Question in first place what he asked!
    I'm doing the same thing right now and when I did my research I looked only at those BLP , BUT I HAVE NO IDEA whatever it's the right thing to look at -I saw somewhere someone said that you should look at only those BLP - Anyone can confirm that?
    Would save me 200bucks on domains if the BLP isn't the one at which we should look instead of BLD!

    So anyone?
     
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  8. mirrorer

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    BLP stead for backlinks to page
    BLD stead for backlinks to domain.
    When considering Strength Of Competition,more important is BLP but bld matter to.
    Good luck.
     
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    Yeah, I agree with Mirrorer. From my experience, when considering the strength of competition you should consider BLP first because the page with the BLP is your main competition for the keyword. I have many times outranked domains with BLD much higher than me as long as the BLP is still beatable.
     
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  10. ChanzGrande

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    According to Vita Vee, there are more effective strategies that involve specific random unpredictable combinations of backlinks to the page.

    I observed a video where he was surprised to find one of his sites outranking one of his other sites despite having an infinitely much smaller overall link pool.

    The reason his other site was able to outrank(temporarilly) his older site had to do with the quality of the links. This suggests that backlinks to the page can be a powerful motivator of Big G's love.

    Glad to see you're experimenting. Keep us posted.
     
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  11. userlogsin

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    What I am trying to do is something very similar to farking. I am considering whether to select a keyword and target out-ranking those big domains on the first page.

    I see a good keyword with like 24000 pages in exact match; something like 40,000 hits in broad matches but the first page is filled with something that we better know as Authority sites.

    BLDs are 50,000 and above. But BLPs are only in the range of 10 - 100 as per MS, that is. Now MS only counts links indexed by Yahoo and per my personal experience Yahoo does not index all links as inlinks (but thats a different thing to be discussed). So I am expecting a target of 200 decent backlinks to beat them (quite achievable).

    But the concern is the BLDs and the age of the domain that are between 1997 to 2004 (in the top 10). Only 1 domain is newer (2009).

    Either it is going to be a cake walk to out rank those or impossible to do so. And with your experience all I want to know is which one of the two is more probable.
     
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  12. toxtom

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    Well I really hope that it will be easy to do with having at least 10X more backlinks then the others domains have but I give 50% chance that it's impossible to do..
     
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    Well i don' know really much about but i think it should be pretty easy to outrank those random articles ranking high if the website isn't really authority site on related keywords maybe ? FOr example , amazon, ezine,
     
  14. Disposable

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    My understanding is that BLP is more important. In the SERPS, it is a page that ranks for a specific keyword. Sites like Walmart have very high BLD which helps to establish authority and can pass some link juice to their pages. However, I have had success overtaking them for some terms by building up a volume of relevant high PR links to pages I want to rank highly.

    Think about it. Sites like Blogger, Squidoo, EzineArticles, etc. have extremely high BLD. But this does not automatically translate to page 1 rankings for individual pages.
     
  15. whatsacoder

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    I've studied several blogs and BLD is much important than BLP. Although you have to consider not getting sandboxed or some of your pages won't get indexed. I've seen pages ranked #1 on google and almost all of them have patterns of having 5000+ backlinks. But the good part is that most of the links are internal links. I've scanned the paginated pages and it's 80% inlinks and 20% from other sites. So I think you just need to enrich internal linking to pass google juice deeper to your sites


    PS: I'm talking about Long Term Keywords used in search engines...
     
  16. angelas111

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    well, not to jack your thread but on the same note my site is listed in google with no www. should all my backlinks point to my site with the www or without? because right now it is about 50/50
     
  17. Iwona

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    you should promote only one url with www and when someone types without www, it should lead it to the www one, otherwise you are wasting your effort in 50/50