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original content vs spun content

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by patlang, Apr 22, 2017.

  1. patlang

    patlang Junior Member

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    Does spun content, which is at least 95% unique, have the same value only in terms of SEO as original, hand written content?
     
  2. MikeyMikey13

    MikeyMikey13 Senior Member

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    Yes obviously. Remember just because the content is handwritten, does mean it'll have 100% uniqueness.

    You do realise you are having your content scanned through an algorithm? Not a hum reading it... most people forget that.
     
  3. Nargil

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    Quality of content is a factor these days. And that's not a theory. Google can recognize badly written crap (which spun content obviously is, unless it's spun amaaaazingly) and not benefit your site accordingly. I wouldn't bother with spun content nowadays whatsoever.
     
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  4. patlang

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    got any proof for this?
     
  5. Nargil

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    I've seen some case studies even here on the forum. Would have to dig them out. Besides that, my money sites and even PBNs. The difference between link from a spun content on a PBN and decently written article was significant.

    You are a multi billion dollar company that has enabled algorithms to recognize synonyms and content as a whole when ranking for keywords. You really believe that their algorithm cannot recognize the quality of the content? How well it reads, how technical it is, how many grammar errors there are? This is one of the fields where it's not off topic to give Google credit.
     
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  6. MikeyMikey13

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    There is a massive difference between recognizing synonyms and being able to read content like a human being.

    I think they are massively ahead with the English language being able to spot an error in the language, but I don't think they can identify the quality. All they can do is scan it against the seeded content for the keywords. i.e check what the competition is doing on the first five ranks.

    Google isn't an all knowing creature that can clearly identify when something is wrong etc.

    Also remember this: 6500 languages in this world, all different to one another. Do you think google has identified how to "recognize the quality of the content?" for every language? I don't think so.

    This is coming from someone with spun content on everything. PBN, money site you name it.
     
  7. patlang

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    I only know how google translator works. Basically it sucks and knows nothing about grammar.
    Besides that I once created 2 websites for the same niche. One of them was with original content, the other one some scrapped content, spinned and with some keywords randomly inserted in the text. They ranked pretty the same.

    That simply leads me to a conclusion that google does not recognize the quality of the content (in terms of grammar and so on), however was just curious your opinion guys
     
  8. Nargil

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    You are both missing one important thing here. Google country specific versions are in stone age compared to Google.com. Whether it comes to algorithm or language recognition. Google focuses on English language, rest is secondary. It doesn't care about the rest of the world, because it does not bring in enough money for them to give a fuck or invest into more advanced ranking algorithms, let alone language ones. So throwing Google translate into this equation or some other languages besides English doesn't really make sense. I wasn't talking about those at all.
     
  9. MikeyMikey13

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    I didn't mention translation.

    I just said that google can't reconginse "quality". All it can do is compare the content to each other and look for LSI.

    The algorithm knows what a car is, but it doesn't know that "a dog weighs less than a car" is wrong. With that, it doesn't understand what it is in the content, it just has certain "measures" that it uses to assess what the content is in comparison to others.

    And those measures can very much be abused with well spun content. Only newbies, or "content is king" type of people miss this.

    Buy yeah, saves me 100$ a month... just by learning how to spin. Like SEO, the way you spin content also has to adapt.
     
  10. Nargil

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    Whatever brings ROI after all. Still, I believe Google is much ahead of content recognition than we actually believe. This is one of the few things where I am maybe giving them more credit than they deserve, but my experience says so. :)
     
  11. MikeyMikey13

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    My honest advice is go look at programs like Grammarly. See what they can notice, that is about as far as Google is (maybe a little further) but not too far.

    Google's algo is a combination of Grammarly+Turnitin in regards to content. Once you can cheat them, you can cheat them all.
     
  12. Nargil

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    Well Grammarly does not have the budget, nor workforce to achieve what Google can. Dedicated, well paid team of not exactly dumb people, that has nothing else to do year in year out, except improving the recognition of content. It's like comparing local kebab to McDonalds.

    Truth will most likely be somewhere in between.
     
  13. MikeyMikey13

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    Grammarly can just identify the Grammar and writing style. It focuses on just one part of Google's on-page Algorithm.

    But they are so far ahead in terms of what computers can do for language, that there isn't much left for it to learn. Really, put your work through it.
     
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    I had been using them a while ago, but I've never really been satisfied with the output really. I am not a native speaker, so maybe it was correct, but it seemed way too formal, plus, it tends to put "a/an/the" everywhere. It looks unnatural. I had been using it just for commas.
     
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    Spun content which is barely readable (as is usually the case) will result in a high bounce rate as visitors won't stay to read which google does not like.
    I have no idea how this would affect PBN's or other sites you use just for linking but it's much more likely that better content will look better in googles eyes.
     
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    Spun contents with 95% uniqueness and Readability may work like an Optimized handwritten article. In fact, Google's Algorithms are too strong to identify spun articles now a days. There a high probability of getting your blogs to be deindexed, if you use Poor Spun articles. Better you opt HQ handwritten articles in HQ blogs, which has enough traffic. You can can use those spun articles to balance backlink count.
     
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    Actually Google can probably recognize quality by now since they are integrating machine learning. Did you check out their autocorrect for drawing?

    The "algorithm" now (or pretty soon) is probably using an AI to grade the quality of your content.
     
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    honestly I was using a lot of spun content for my blog networks but Nargil showed me some services on here that are giving out articles for a dollar a pop (i still think their spun and grammar checked after though) which actually saves me the time of rereading through my spun content and correcting any grammatical mistakes. Looking at a subscription of word AI which is about $50 a month and spending $40 a month for the 40 articles I need for my monthly updates on some of my PBN's without having to grammar check them and correct them this is a no-brainer to me.

    I have a writer I use for my money site who charges a lot but produces amazing content and I use this for engagement some of your content obviously needs to be engaging if you want people coming back now that machine learning and bounce rate is becoming a larger factor.

    but I tend to agree with some of the people on here if you spin an article and then grammar check it personally I can't see any way a machine let alone the human could see the issue.
     
  19. MikeyMikey13

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    Lol.
    Wow it can draw. Now get it to explain "The Art of War" in it's own words... do you see the difference here? Drawing and understand, again are completely different things.

    You can learn to draw at the age of 2/3, but you can't understand cognitive language until later.
     
  20. MikeyMikey13

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    What you need to ask yourself is, do I really need to check this spun content? The answer is usually no. I just throw it up, doesn't make a blind bit of difference.