Operation Coaching Crackdown

Shady coaching = Gamble
Spending money on advertising or developing your own methods = investing

Harro please note that my out burst was not in retaliation of the new rule but my opposed opinion of what HavokB8 was saying in relation to coaching. Sorry if this caused offense but a forum is where people express opinions that is all.

Those who can, do. Those who can?t, teach.

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Well I think your opinion is wrong

havokb8 said:

Well I think your opinion is wrong

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Ok and that is fair enough. I respect your opinion and I'm happy to disagree. Without opinions the world wouldn't evolve.

The thing that I find funny though is I know I am helping people and they praise my work. So why would you be opposed to me helping the members on your forum?

I'd like to withdraw my CS Guide from the CS BST please. The hate on coaching and information products is too much, forget it.

drstew said:

Ok and that is fair enough. I respect your opinion and I'm happy to disagree. Without opinions the world wouldn't evolve.

The thing that I find funny though is I know I am helping people and they praise my work. So why would you be opposed to me helping the members on your forum?

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So your saying you take DIM methods and sell them as coaching to other people and you are helping them by doing that? Not following your logic there

I agree with your decision HaRRo. LAY DOWN THE IRON FIST on these noob predators. I have seen way to many people swindled here and on DP, complaining all over the place.

Just as HaRRo said before ANYBODY WHO EVEN SLIGHTLY DEBATES this new rule should AUTOMATICALLY be banned!

havokb8 said:

So your saying you take DIM methods and sell them as coaching to other people and you are helping them by doing that? Not following your logic there

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Nope, sorry mate but I did answer this question in a previous post. That was a statement that anyone could sign up there and teach the methods.

But as I stated previously I am not a member there and don't teach the DIM methods. I teach my own methods and people make money from them.

I don't scam people and I don't bullshit people. I take them one on one by the hand and lead them to cash. Very simple step by step. Most people here have all the pieces they just don't know how to complete the puzzle and I provide that assistance.

I'm happy to pay a monthly fee to do this it doesn't bother me. I just don't understand the big fuss. Screen me, ask for testimonials I don't mind, but I oppose telling everyone that I am a scammer just cause I teaching people to make money. Would you rather me post the methods on here (which I know some of you will not like) for everyone to see so that they get saturated and no one can then earn from them?

The real people that will make money know they have to spend money first.

whats your main reason for coaching these people its out of the goodness in your heart? If so make it free

It's obvious that people have some strong opinions about coaching, but here we are with a new rule to enforce that should help curb the scams here.

We won't make everyone happy, but it is what it is.

If you want to offer coaching, get it reviewed by a staff member.

This really should be the end of this conversation.

I do it to make some cash. That cash I use to live off from day to day which means the rest I can save to put into bigger projects. My other payments come mostly on a monthly basis, this was quick cash in the hand simple.

Havokb8 seriously if I could teach you some methods to make you $300 a day would you not want to get in on that?

So your question is, "Well then why would you teach this to people and not implement the methods yourself?"

The answer is I do and I bank but why stop there. One of the main things people need to find in IM is multiple income streams in case something blows out, especially with BH you can't have all your eggs in one basket right. This is just another income stream I had.

As was previously stated wouldn't it just be like making all the DIM methods free? That would mean that you wouldn't make any money from it right?

no drstew havok would not be interested, anyone making less than a few grand a day is shit to him.

drstew said:

I do it to make some cash. That cash I use to live off from day to day which means the rest I can save to put into bigger projects. My other payments come mostly on a monthly basis, this was quick cash in the hand simple.

Havokb8 seriously if I could teach you some methods to make you $300 a day would you not want to get in on that?

So your question is, "Well then why would you teach this to people and not implement the methods yourself?"

The answer is I do and I bank but why stop there. One of the main things people need to find in IM is multiple income streams in case something blows out, especially with BH you can't have all your eggs in one basket right. This is just another income stream I had.

As was previously stated wouldn't it just be like making all the DIM methods free? That would mean that you wouldn't make any money from it right?

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Pofecker said:

It's obvious that people have some strong opinions about coaching, but here we are with a new rule to enforce that should help curb the scams here.

We won't make everyone happy, but it is what it is.

If you want to offer coaching, get it reviewed by a staff member.

This really should be the end of this conversation.

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Could you please review my coaching application that I submitted to you and Harro. If you want I can run through all my methods that I teach with you on IM. I know you have already used them yourself

drstew said:

Could you please review my coaching application that I submitted to you and Harro. If you want I can run through all my methods that I teach with you on IM. I know you have already used them yourself

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Dude, I got people ahead of you. I also review the service section along with a few pending BST apps. I'll get to you, but doubtful it will be same day. If you'd like to IM me, I'll listen to what you got to say.

Thank you I have added you to MSN and AIM. I don't want to push in front of other people applications.

I guess I just see it as sad that you have to rely on bhw this way, through monetizing bhw members in coaching. There wouldn't be so much argument against this decision if it wasn't the case.

Which leads me to the question, if you are reliant on bhw members to make money why would you be a good candidate as a knowledgable coach in IM?

WhiskerBiscuit said:

I guess I just see it as sad that you have to rely on bhw this way, through monetizing bhw members in coaching. There wouldn't be so much argument against this decision if it wasn't the case.

Which leads me to the question, if you are reliant on bhw members to make money why would you be a good candidate as a knowledgable coach in IM?

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Since I started coaching in October I spent at least 4-6 hours a day with my coaching clients. There was not a lot of time leftover to spend growing my other incomes. I still make money with several methods and do not "rely" on BHW coaching to pay my bills. It was something different, fun, and a good way to meet people and gave me a reason to be more active around here.

RIP Bizcredit Coaching

I didn't say that I rely on them, check out when I first changed my signature to relate to coaching. You will see that it was like a week ago if that.

What is the difference between this and me putting the methods into a ebook and videos and selling it for $200-$300. I teach people methods for CSing, SSM and Hamh. These methods together can make bank for $100+ each a day. $100 is the first milestone people try to aim for.

This forum makes money off people that post methods in the BST thread and those methods being sold are mostly to help people make money right? Well this is what I want to do. I want to pay BHW to allow me to coach people in methods that help them make money.

If more people are making money that means more people can afford to invest in other projects that could mean making more BST threads to make more money for BHW while at the same time helping the members.

The only difference is I don't have it in a ebook, website or video format at this stage as I only started the coaching very recently. This was my next move and I wanted to teach a few people first to make sure the methods work for the general population and not just me. I have seen good results so far.

The other thing with putting it into ebook / video format is it will get shared without a doubt and devalue the methods / information.

The reason that people don't share good methods on here for free is they get to saturated and no one can make money on them anymore. So why would I give this away for free??

I guess I'll chime in too. My sig, was never meant to offer or sell coaching to BHW members. The site's creation and method was a direct result of something posted here on how to monetize complete 100% "what is IM" noobs. I posted it in my sig because I think it is an awesome domain name .

As a direct result I get a few AIM help requests from time to time and a lot of people filled out the form on the site and joined the list. (Probably to further see what I was doing with it. That what the smart guys do. lol)

So now I got a bunch of people from here on that list and a lot of help requests which I think is great because It feels good helping out when I can. If I don't think I can help someone I tell 'em flat out.

So far, I've taken on one guy who asked for some serious help. His main problem is what a lot of people's is: Motivation. So I've been setting goals for him to meet and report back to me when he does them. So far so good. Anyhow, I would never charge for this, but I thought that in the future if I help someone else like this, would it be o.k. to ask them to fill in a free CPA offer or two? Completely volunteery?

Anyway, I sent Harro a PM asking about this, but I wanted to share it for all here.