one point about link-building and seo

black101 · May 30, 2011

I always reading about ppl saying not to use SB or Xrumer blast to your money site. Well, its true and not true

why? because every time your read ppl blasting their money site and losing rank is because their did it in one day and nothing the coming weeks. Do you really think it looks natural?

And then you have all those experiment with SB and Xrumer spamming the hell out every day and actually ranking. the reason is because links are coming every day and constantly

it makes it more natural, having links coming in every day and gradually increasing.

having 1000 link coming in a day and nothing for weeks is not natural so you will get penalized.

kappa84 · May 30, 2011

I do not believe this is a problem..think about it: you have a crap blog with not so great blog posts, not receiving a link for weeks. All of a sudden, you create a fantastic controversial blog post that receives hundreds of links in a day from different sites. For 1-2 days, after that you do not receive any other link to that blog.

Is this natural? Yes indeed...I think it depends more on the ANCHOR text you use for your links. 1,000 links for a controversial post might come with natural anchors like "see here", "post title", "this is the idiot", "read here more" and so on and not your desired anchor text....

elsassg · May 30, 2011

I just believe that if you thought that there is a problems there obviously a problem but if you thought that there is no problems then you will be succeed. Just believe in yourself.

Chrisss · May 30, 2011

kappa84 said:
Is this natural? Yes indeed...I think it depends more on the ANCHOR text you use for your links. 1,000 links for a controversial post might come with natural anchors like "see here", "post title", "this is the idiot", "read here more" and so on and not your desired anchor text....

You have a valid point. I believe I made this mistake myself in the beginning. Getting a lot of links with the same anchor text. But it does not look natual at all, so I have started to make at least 3-5 different anchor text for each blast. I also use a regular www... address to the main page.

kappa84 · May 30, 2011

Great add-on Chrisss, totally forgot about the www... version!

Also, brand name is a must, of course, when it's the case.

sercon · May 30, 2011

black101 said:
I always reading about ppl saying not to use SB or Xrumer blast to your money site. Well, its true and not true

why? because every time your read ppl blasting their money site and losing rank is because their did it in one day and nothing the coming weeks. Do you really think it looks natural?

And then you have all those experiment with SB and Xrumer spamming the hell out every day and actually ranking. the reason is because links are coming every day and constantly

it makes it more natural, having links coming in every day and gradually increasing.

having 1000 link coming in a day and nothing for weeks is not natural so you will get penalized.

(*BUZZER SOUND*)WRONG(*BUZZER SOUND*) ! Ok so let me explain somethin`. If you lets say blast 10000 with xrumer today google will never find your links in a day and afterwards say:"aaa he didnt build anymore backlinks im gonna rape this motherfucker" ! google will find links everyday from that blast... now all it comes down is the quality of the blast. So you blasted 10k from that you`ll probably have a 50% stick rate and from thats a 20% indexing rate(these are all hypothetical numbers). So thats 1k links found by google.You guys are all scared and giving google godlike powers....ITS A MACHINE and it will never find all of your links overnight so chillax. Final words about linkbuilding: Quality, Velocity, Diversity.

black101 · May 30, 2011

kappa84 said:
I do not believe this is a problem..think about it: you have a crap blog with not so great blog posts, not receiving a link for weeks. All of a sudden, you create a fantastic controversial blog post that receives hundreds of links in a day from different sites. For 1-2 days, after that you do not receive any other link to that blog.

Is this natural? Yes indeed...I think it depends more on the ANCHOR text you use for your links. 1,000 links for a controversial post might come with natural anchors like "see here", "post title", "this is the idiot", "read here more" and so on and not your desired anchor text....

i agree, but if you want to rank and stay in top 5 your site need to seem to be active.

and yes the anchor text is very important thats why you need to change it and not use 100% same anchor

sercon said:
(*BUZZER SOUND*)WRONG(*BUZZER SOUND*) ! Ok so let me explain somethin`. If you lets say blast 10000 with xrumer today google will never find your links in a day and afterwards say:"aaa he didnt build anymore backlinks im gonna rape this motherfucker" ! google will find links everyday from that blast... now all it comes down is the quality of the blast. So you blasted 10k from that you`ll probably have a 50% stick rate and from thats a 20% indexing rate(these are all hypothetical numbers). So thats 1k links found by google.You guys are all scared and giving google godlike powers....ITS A MACHINE and it will never find all of your links overnight so chillax. Final words about linkbuilding: Quality, Velocity, Diversity.

so you are saying its safe to blast your site with xrumer?

let me ask you a question will you blast your money site with xrumer?

sercon · May 30, 2011

Yes... i already have with several sites.... But keep in mind that xrumer alone will not do miracles for you site.

BHopkins · May 31, 2011

Sorry OP, you might be logically right, your theory makes sense.

Factually though you're wrong. You haven't tested what you're saying which is no better than the people saying it will get you banned.

Google said you can't hurt a competitors site, nor can you build links and hurt your site. I know this because I've actually tested it.

digihammer1 · May 31, 2011

I don't know how long after you blast G spiders your site but when it does how could it not follow and find every new link created from your recent blast.....?

Shhhocker · May 31, 2011

Yeah, overusing the same anchor text can eventually hurt your rankings. I've submitted to a few drip feed blog networks using unspun anchor text, and while my rank for that keyword increased at first, it eventually went back down a bit. I think it's advantageous to spin the anchor text and perhaps wait a little longer for the results. While Google is a 'machine', it can certainly pick up certain unnatural tendencies - a long string of backlinking domains using the same anchor text being one of them.

black101 · May 31, 2011

BHopkins said:
Sorry OP, you might be logically right, your theory makes sense.

Factually though you're wrong. You haven't tested what you're saying which is no better than the people saying it will get you banned.

Google said you can't hurt a competitors site, nor can you build links and hurt your site. I know this because I've actually tested it.

i try to build my links in the most natural way.

1) i use a drip system that build links every day form different source and i spin my anchor text

2) i search for high pr blogs and .edu and other authority sites. to get high quality links

by doing that, my ranks go up slowly but steady.

its a bit far to say i haven't tested it

Chrisss · May 31, 2011

black101 said:
let me ask you a question will you blast your money site with xrumer?

If you are running a small niche site, the go ahead and spam it to dead with XRumer. But if you are working for a client, then would I go with the safe way, and only blast incoming links. If you have a webshop of your own, then could you make a small blast of 1000 links each week. Remember to deeplink and hit random deep pages.

aandcmedia · Jun 1, 2011

I agree with your point exactly.

edgematch · Jun 1, 2011

First of all, your theory has missing parts so it is misleading and totally wrong.

Yes I do also say somewhat that xrumer and scrapebox will have harsh times. But that is a different story.

Anyway, let's get back to our subject why your theory is wrong. Because majority of people here think that, Google is something that can never be beaten and has limitless resources. No NEVER. Google has the least limited resources that a company has regarding other ones.

It has really poor (and getting poorer) supply/fund/resource (what you call it) if you compare it the giant size of the WEB. To put is simply, Do you tink that when I make a 1,000,000 blast for my keywords, Google will index them immediately? Forget 1,000,000 please. Do you think that when I add
100 forum profile links, Google will index then right at that moment? Do you think that Google is indexing every scrapebox comment on that day?

Simple answer to this simple question: NO.......... It sometimes takes even months to be indexed.

Let me give an example:

Shell, BP. Do they have resources?
- Yes.
Are those resources limited?
- Yes
What is the % of the resources that they control?
- I do not know. Let's assume it as 0.1% (should be much higher)
Will this % be get lower?
- No. Since no new resources will be added.

And Google, What are its resources?
- Just computers and some clever guys (they are also computers)
What is the % of the resources on the NET that Google controls?
- I do not know. Let's assume it as 1% (Should be much less)
Will this % be get lower?
- SURE like crazy or like King Kong falling down from Empire State Building. Because everyday billions of content are added on the NET.
Will the power of Google increase as the same rate of those sites on the NET?
- NEVER EVER.

black101 said:
I always reading about ppl saying not to use SB or Xrumer blast to your money site. Well, its true and not true

why? because every time your read ppl blasting their money site and losing rank is because their did it in one day and nothing the coming weeks. Do you really think it looks natural?

And then you have all those experiment with SB and Xrumer spamming the hell out every day and actually ranking. the reason is because links are coming every day and constantly

it makes it more natural, having links coming in every day and gradually increasing.

having 1000 link coming in a day and nothing for weeks is not natural so you will get penalized.

onetr1p · Jun 2, 2011

this thread got me thinking a bit...lots of different opinions here

onetr1p · Jun 2, 2011

edgematch said:
First of all, your theory has missing parts so it is misleading and totally wrong.

Yes I do also say somewhat that xrumer and scrapebox will have harsh times. But that is a different story.

Anyway, let's get back to our subject why your theory is wrong. Because majority of people here think that, Google is something that can never be beaten and has limitless resources. No NEVER. Google has the least limited resources that a company has regarding other ones.

It has really poor (and getting poorer) supply/fund/resource (what you call it) if you compare it the giant size of the WEB. To put is simply, Do you tink that when I make a 1,000,000 blast for my keywords, Google will index them immediately? Forget 1,000,000 please. Do you think that when I add
100 forum profile links, Google will index then right at that moment? Do you think that Google is indexing every scrapebox comment on that day?

Simple answer to this simple question: NO.......... It sometimes takes even months to be indexed.

Let me give an example:

Shell, BP. Do they have resources?

Yes.

Are those resources limited?

Yes

What is the % of the resources that they control?

I do not know. Let's assume it as 0.1% (should be much higher)

Will this % be get lower?

No. Since no new resources will be added.

And Google, What are its resources?

Just computers and some clever guys (they are also computers)

What is the % of the resources on the NET that Google controls?

I do not know. Let's assume it as 1% (Should be much less)

Will this % be get lower?

SURE like crazy or like King Kong falling down from Empire State Building. Because everyday billions of content are added on the NET.

Will the power of Google increase as the same rate of those sites on the NET?

NEVER EVER.

Wow...good an analysis.

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