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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by kesha1, May 2, 2010.

  1. kesha1

    kesha1 Registered Member

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    Hi,
    I have to produce, edit, publish, etc. No time for anything else at all.
    Trying to automate submissions, but even that takes time.
    Wanted to get xrumer, but the makers said that it'd need a fast dedicated server to work in full extend, and there might be some "side effects".
    So, a light bulb went on: give someone $50/mo to include the domain(s) in all this BH mambo jumbo.
    So:
    1. Where and how should I look for a "specialist" to make sure I'll get POSITIVE results?
    2. What if he/she wont stand up to promises and they decide to hurt the domain(s) later on, they could do a lot of damage, right?
    thanx
     
  2. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    That isn't a dumb idea. Outsourcing anything you aren't good at, don't have time for, or don't have the tools for can be a very good idea. Selecting a good service is the key. The better your do your due diligence, the better your odds of a good experience.
    1. Look through the BST forums to find people offering what you need.
    2. Look at there join date, post count, ratio of thanks to posts, rep, and especially iTrader, but don't take any of that at face value.
    3. Go to the members profile and look through the past posts to get an idea of how much knowledge thay actually have.
    4. Read through their BST thread and pay attention to the reviews. Especially look for negative reviews, but remember that even good traders will have occassional unhappy customers. Good idea is to look at the complaining members profile and read their other posts to better judge their credibility.
    5. Look through the Shitlist to see if any reports have been made their as well.
    6. Don't jump in with both feet. Try making a smaller purchase, so that if it isn't good results you aren't out a lot.
    7. After one or two transactions with the trader, you will have a better idea if you want to risk a larger amount of money.
    In the end it just boils down to a judgement call on your part. Like you said, whoever you outsource to will have information they could use to do damage if they choose to. No matter what you do, there is always a risk. All you can do is check them out as well as possible, and then hope for the best.
     
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  3. kesha1

    kesha1 Registered Member

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    GreyWolf, thanx a lot for your input! Appreciate it!
    It's obvious that even the research for a decent "promo guy" will take time. (I have to wake up 1 hr earlier to have a 25 hr day...;)
    First of it should be a decent person..., go figure...
    But hey, it's a serious matter.
    Any1 pops up in your mind? Please pm if any.
    BTW, what is BST? (warned ya that I'm a dummy in this stuff) ;)
     
  4. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    Well thanks are always appreciated, especially if you hit the thanks button on that last post. :)

    Once you find someone offering a service, it really doesn't take that long to check out their history on here. Like I said, start by reading through their service offered thread first, then check out their history a little, and then go from there. Just run through the checklist I gave you to limit your chances of being scammed. Even if the people you find are legit and do a good job, you may end up trying a few different people before finding someone you want to work with long term. I like using a variety of people sometimes even for the same things, just because they might have different tactics. It isn't always the case but sometimes the combination of different services has even better results.

    If it doesn't go as you well as you want, don't immediately start giving bad rep or anything though. If they did the work go ahead and pay for it. Maybe they are doing the job they say, but it just isn't the best method for your campaigns. That's why its best to start out with smaller dollar amounts at first. You aren't going to just find the perfect one until you start trying some people out though.

    You can easily find out things like what is BST, by typing it into the search box. :) Just saves time for you, and less likely for people to comment about it. But I'll help you out, here is the link to the BST forums. Be sure to read the sticky threads in those forums to get an idea of what is acceptable.
     
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  5. DallasDowning

    DallasDowning Junior Member

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    Great advice Gray wolf. I wish I would of taken it slowly the first time I attempted to hire freelancers. Luckily it just involved a huge waste of time, not money.
     
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    This is exactly what I am doing. Im slowly outsourcing everything except the actual site design. as stated above just do a little research on who you are outsourcing to. I wouldnt jump right in with xrumer myself but you'll have to make that choice. I would go with a monthly link building strategy. You can probably find a few services for around 10 bucks a month, run a couple of them to get some variety.
     
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  7. kesha1

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    Thank you folks.
    Could somebody please let me know about what one can do to hurt my domain(s) that they were working for, and, let's say, by some reasons they don't anymore.
    They will not have an access to the servers, but I think if someone wants to do a damage they can submit it to search engines a way that it will be sandboxed, right?
    What else they can do?
    I have a feeling that after exposing some of my sites at some webmasters message boards the alexa for them nose dived... How did they do that?
     
  8. coreyfmiller

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    Alexa really means nothing to you. Are you ranking #1 are you converting those people?

    Alexa really means nothing at all.

    You need quality traffic and targeted people willing to convert
     
  9. GreyWolf

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    @kesha1 - just pick something you want to try , and then give it a try.

    Backlinks from social bookmarking sites for example:
    Go the the services forum and look for a thread by someone selling that service. read through the thread to see what kind of reviews the guy has. Look at the post date from the start of the thread, and if it is still recieving new replies. If it's a really long thread, read through the first page or so then skip the the last page and read the most recent reviews. Go through the posts backwards till you find the most current price for the service and then give it a try.

    Then pick another service:
    Try directory submissions, or getting a linkwheel built, or something else you've read about that seems like it might help your site. Do the same thing again to look through the threads and read previous reviews, and then give it a try.

    Always choose a small package to start so that you aren't out much money if it turns out to not be what you were expecting. Leave your feedback based on whether the service was performed, not on how well it worked for you. You can also include in your review what you were hoping for and that you think it wasn't the right service for that type of project. But don't give a bad itrader or neg rep on the service provider, you just now know what that service entails.


    Try the safer services first like social bookmarking etc. Once you see what results you get from those type of services, then move on to the ones that have more risk of problems like linkwheels and xrummer services.

    If you follow that advice it is unlikely that you'll have any of the problems you're worried about.

    You would have to really piss someone off to get them to waste their time intentionally trying to damage your website. Not saying it could never happen, but if someone has been providing a service for awhile, and other people are satisfied with the service, then it's very likely the service provider knows how to be professional.
     
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  10. data84

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    Awesome advice Greyworlf, your a BEAST!
     
  11. data84

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    Hey Grey Wolf if you already have a linkwheel created would it be more beneficial to use social bookmarking to point to your spokes or to your main site???????
    Any feedback would be appreciated. :)
     
  12. GreyWolf

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    Personally I would do both, but be very cautious.

    You don't want to end up leaving a footprint of having the same pattern of sites, accounts, and profiles pointing to your money site and linkwheel sites. That would kind of defeat the purpose of using the linkwheel. You don't want to inadvertantly create links between your spokes that had been intentionally left unconnected. The more backlinks your linkwheel has the more powerful it is for your money site, but the linkwheel has an artificial structure, you want to be carefull not to expose that structure.

    I would say to use completely seperate accounts to build links to the linkwheel sites and your money site. If you're using paid services, you might want to use more than one service to spread it out better.
     
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  13. gosu22

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    What are the BST Forums?