Ogads Shaving?

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  1. pankaj Bisht

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    Two of my clicks converted today morning and each downloaded 2 apps but I got conversion of only 1 apps and not of rest 3. People who downloaded both the apps have sent me SS even. Is this the case with you also?
     
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    Yes they do shave better change your Network
     
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    They are shaving almost 80% of my conversion and all this time I was thinking maybe something is wrong from my site thats why my CR is so low. MFs, Well do you have any other PPI network in Mind which has good EPC and do not shave more 20%of my conversion?
     
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    How can you possibly know that?

    How can they have sent you screenshots, unless you told them to download apps? No advertiser in their right mind would allow this as it will never back out for them.
     
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    they were complaining that they did not got their followers. I told them you must have not downloaded apps to get rid of them until they sent me the SS. having both apps in there phone. I am not saying that they are shaving and my traffic is too less to judge even. So I was just asking.
     
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    If the vendor is not happy with the leads, networks will take the money back from publisher's account & credit to the vendor's account.
     
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    Some apps require a minimum amount of time open before the pixel fires.

    You stated above they were shaving 80% of your traffic. What I don't quite get is if you have an issue, why not speak to your AM first? They will be best suited to give you an explanation.
     
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    I have the same exact issue, and i have tried out myself that large part of the leads wont convert in your ogads account, people here will tell you its BS but its definitely not the case.

    I contacted them 1 time and they asked me the IPs i used to convert, or they asked me the IPs that supposedly didnt convert.. they wouldnt do that if they knew that these issues didnt exist.
     
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    If you have proof, then show it.

    I've seen so many people claim that networks cheat them etc., but no one every comes up with evidence.

    It's normal for any network to ask for this data. It allows them to check to see if a lead was valid or not.
     
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    What type of evidence you want exactly it would be easy to do that, i will use an virtual machine with private ssh proxies and will make an video of that it wont convert, is that enough for you? Proxies are clean i check them for risk and proxyscore, on top of that we can use an RDP. It just wont convert, like the OP said.. its definitely over 50%.
     
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    Tracking data from a reputable tracker, like Voluum, Adsbridge, Thrive Tracker etc.

    You realise that networks easily pick up proxies? There are so many tools that allow that flag proxies. Even the likes of luminati proxies are detectible.

    There is a whole list of reasons why a network might decline or delay leads:

    - Same device used multiple times (flag)
    - Same IP used (flag)
    - App might have already been downloaded already by that user
    - Delayed conversion (I've had some surveys take over a week before the conversion came through)
    - Offer not completed/app not opened for a sufficient amount of time
     
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    You think a company can exist for years if they shave their customers over 50%? I bet non of you have even got tracking software with the proper tracking ID's and pixels.

    A VM with proxies will leave a different footprint thus could be flagged as bad traffic.

    It's funny you guys discuss about CPA with @Sephrata as I'm pretty sure he is more experienced in CPA than you guys. Maybe listen to him and ask for his advice and learn a thing or 2 instead of acting you think how everything works.
     
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    Well i suspected they can detect proxies when you use simple socks 5 but you can work around that with tunneling, the hardcore option is to use RDP as said.
    The thing is, shaving occurs its either affiliate site or these sites just wont forward all the leads.. Its part of the business and you need to find the best paltform that suits you.
    I used content locker with blackhat method so people should always complete 4 of 5 tasks, which they most probably did because i offered them unrealistic shit and stayed in contact with them over emails.. the leads wont convert for all.. i handpick the content in my locker, just as i hand pick countries and the offers are different, but lots of them are from same provider and only 1 conversion counts of the 4 one, for example. Your email is in system with the first task and that's that.
    Made almost 12$ first day, second day around 13$, tested out blackhat methods and stayed in contact with adworkmedia and ogads support for SE to get some information about the rippoff scaling possibilities, but this takes too much time and effort so i quit.
    You rippoff them, they rippoff you its just a business, either they or the companies/sites they are hooked up are shaving, you can say what ever you want but its true and we should make some video testings/proofs that what im saying is true with different methods so the guys who are affiliated with these sites will shut up, im suspecting you are just a mouth or somehow associated with them, otherwise how can you say that they wont, without having any insights only the experience you had? They obviously cannot rip everyone off, cherrypicking and selective scamming is what they are doing, but you make it sound like it dosent happen at all, which is stupid as fuck to assume, especially when you are "not" associated with them.
     
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    Unless you've told people to do that (which would be cheating the network), I fail to see how you could possibly achieve this.

    So you got caught with your pants down?

    I'm not saying networks don't shave. I am saying that unless you can provide some kind of evidence, then it's all meaningless hearsay.

    In nearly every case I've read where someone claims their network is cheating them, 99% of the time it's actually affiliate cheating the network.
     
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    How is that cheating the network, ogads own content locker has been built up that way so you can pick and choose how much tasks people should complete before unlocking the content, max is 4 from 5 and yes i spoonfed them through the steps and content locker shows that information to them aswell so i dont know what you are talking about.
    And i havent got caught with anything, you either dont read what im typing or you do not understand what im saying.
     
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    I understand how the OGAds lockers work.

    You stated that "people should always complete 4 of 5 tasks". If you think that the network is cheating you because people don't complete 4 tasks, then you are completely mistaken.

    You wrote this above:

    This is a bizarre thing to write if you've done nothing wrong.
     
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    And on BHW 99% of the time they tell a totally different story of what they actually did. :D
     
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    I havent got caught with anything, i stated the opportunities i had in mind and that i quit because it wont convert as it should be.
    Pointless to argue but i will make an video about this.. i will not use any proxies but RDPs and will create an environment that will please your mind.
    And people cheat all the time around here, youtube, affiliates, whatever. Stop being such an snowflake and make a number of this as its absolutely not relevant to this case.
     
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    so pankaj Bisht, from your 3 clicks and 2 conversions, how could you have possibly denoted that 80% of your traffic has been shaved? quick maths.. PM me your affiliate id and i will for sure take a look at your traffic.

    I want everyone to know, WE DO NOT and WILL NEVER SHAVE...

    for the BHW community, Publishers like pankaj here write such posts on BlackHatWorld and really end up not understanding how damaging it can be for my business, for example here if the "people" who sent you screenshots already had the app, it wouldn't count as an install, as they are not counted as "new" users if they already had the app, thats just one example of how 3 clicks would not equal 3 conversions when you see the screenshots they have sent....

    just one example of people who are too lazy to message their account managers and instead feel the need to write it on bhw? really annoying as i work so hard to ensure that my publishers are taken care of an i get notified of posts like this from newcomers who havent even talked to their managers yet!
     
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    I feel like these are the people you don't want using your network
     
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