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OGads malfunctions - stories and alternatives?

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by JTrussles, Oct 11, 2016.

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  1. JTrussles

    JTrussles Junior Member

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    This thread is for all the BHWers who are using OGads (probably with IG amirite?), but have noticed a variety of problems the least of which seem to be vanishing conversions.

    Share your experiences and solutions here, but most importantly (and in high demand) any suitable alternative networks to OGads you may know of.

    Problem 1
    Personally I've run into one problem that I've seen shared many times: low conversion rates. And I don't mean in the "try to change your content" sense. I mean in the sense that supposedly 80-95% of the people that proceed to the app store to install an app somehow just "disappear". Not before, but AFTER they've gone to the app store!
    Simple logic will tell you that unless something gets in their way, those statistics are highly improbable. From what I gather many people on these types of journeys are seeing similar issues. Where some early journeys had conversion rates of 60% and up, modern ones average 25% on good days.

    Problem 2
    This brings me to the second problem. If you've ever actually tried to go through your own lockers you'd have noticed that completing an install is not easy at all. Sometimes the app store doesn't open (my own phone doesn't).
    Often it probably does work, but I've noticed downloading and installing apps just takes it's sweet time on the average iPhone. So what does the user do? They close the app store and open the app from the main menu. This leads to an install and open for 30 seconds, but no conversion!

    Now maybe I'm wrong about all of this. It's impossible to tell, and much of it is based off my own experiences and experiments. But I certainly cannot browse the front page without multiple threads where people are complaining about OGads. I think it's time we at least took a look together and shared our impressions.
     
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    you probably may move this thread to Instagram section , because most people here doing OGads on IG
     
  3. JTrussles

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    True, thanks for pointing it out. But for now I don't want to risk too many discussions about the actual IG accounts/landing pages/niches etc. This is purely about OGads.
    Will move the thread if needed, of course.
     
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    Hehe Im wathing newsfeed of BHW so you guys probably need to get seperate OGads Discussion group because in a day I see like 10 new threads about OGads ;D
     
  5. JTrussles

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    That is why I made this thread in the first place.
     
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    agree, for the last 2 months BHW has become OGads Forum
     
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    Shit is going to hit the fan fast and hard when OGAds gets shafted by their points of contact with products after they find out blackhat means were used to obtain leads. They are surely financed by debt (business loan), so in an event like that they won't be able to feasibly pay their affiliates, at which point things are going to get very bad very fast for everyone trying to make a quick buck on Instagram.

    CPALead Part 2. Before they revamped and reopened.
     
  8. JTrussles

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    I highly doubt they don't already know. OGads is already notorious for providing their.. ummm.. "black hat" landing pages. A global review of the offers (PPI and CPA) OGads maintains reveals every one of them either doesn't care or is even more black hat than OGads. (free iPhone E-mail & zip submit for a company that is literally impossible to contact or locate?)

    Everyone involved probably knows exactly what they're doing.

    EDIT: Also, this may be part of the reason plenty of affiliates are understandably wary of being screwed by them.
     
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    The app tracking isnt provided by OGads, its by another company that track all the clicks, conversions etc , maybe there is a bug idk but OGads has always worked great for me when I needed it
     
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    They are powered by hasoffers - hashoffers screwed with stats and other stuff like 4 times in 2 months - one day like for 12 hours stats were messed - so yes OGads are not controlling directly leads and clicks engine, its other providers.
    BUT here : http://status.hasoffers.com/ - you can see uptime of hasoffers - and it lookes like all last week they works perefect
     
  11. JTrussles

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    Interesting, thanks for this.
     
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    I'm investing quite the time and $$$ as an affiliate of theirs. So far it's not going bad, although I'm not satisfied with the conversion rates (for every 50 clicks there are around 10-12 conversions). One of the acc managers there is a hard-working guy and very polite. I've also chatted with one of the co-owners of the network, also a decent guy and ready to help.

    I just hope they will not fuck me over at any point because things will be messy from then onward.

    To say I'm not worried, I would be lying, but let's see how far this will go.... time will tell best. Conversion rates already sucking hard, but I refuse to call it a shaving or something similar with 100% certainty just now.

    While new to the CPA world and just getting a hold of it (though not new on IM), I'm not sure if every affiliate manager helps others with certain methods. I'd like to hear from affiliates on MaxBounty or any huge and popular networks, if they could spot any blatant red flags of other networks when things are going the CPALead way (other ones beside the ones you provided Sherbert, which are appreciated).

    I am a very straight arrow so if anything will go seriously wrong, I'll be the first to spread the word, if no one else beats me to it by then.

    Interesting thread OP and I think every network should have a thread like this in BHW, so that everyone could be informed of what's happening, how things are evolving etc.
     
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    I'm seeing this thread and I know I am not an active member on this forum by any means. How-ever I am on OGAds all the time. I do internet marketing and do all my stuff with them.

    A lot of the stuff I am seeing from people about this is ridiculous. First and foremost, OGAds always pays there affiliates on time. Even when they had issues with some companies not paying. I personally know both the owners and they are fantastic! Now lets cover a couple things here.
    1) OGAds does not shave any earnings, you need to learn the difference here between OGAds and well a network as CPAGrip. As I'm sure most of you are well aware OGAds does app installs when mobile traffic is detected or vice versa. (if mobile traffic is detected). So obviously if you were not aware... the payout on an app install is not going to be nearly as much as an email submit.
    2) If you can't convert a lot of traffic that is your fault not the networks.
    3) It absolutely DOES NOT matter if the app is opened from the out of the app store... It only matters if they open the actual app. I cannot stress this enough, sometimes I have people who don't fully go through with the conversion so they download the app and then decide screw this and probably leave it. Then a couple days later they open the app, guess what later on I get a conversion.

    I think a lot of people need to look at their EPC, learn what they're doing wrong and maybe ask their affiliate manager questions if they are uncertain.

    Just a note I have messed around with other networks to see what converts the best for me and earns me the most, at the end of the day... It has always been OGAds.
     
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    In the last 2 days my traffic are stable but conversion decrease. I also notice other network (TMP) has the same situation.
    My experience with TMP, sometimes they has low conversion, but it will back to normal in the next 5-7 days.
     
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    i have been using ogads from day 1 never had a problem with payments or anything else for the people cryin about conversion first of all check the geo location of your clicks you might be gettin clicks from tier3 countries and that will lower the conversion dont go by the numbers of clicks alone thats the mistake that all the noobs do and blame it on the network i get good conversion/epc on my traffic but i have 90%+ tier1 traffic (blame bad cv on yr shitty traffic) another thing ogads is a self-made network both the owners put their hard earnings to pay affiliates before they even get paid by adv there is no loans or anything and they pay weeklies too so there is nothing to worry about regarding payments you can run little traffic and wait to get paid
    people always blame it on the network when their shitty traffic is the reason and they have a huge chat and i only see happy people there makin money
    stop the hate and assumptions and rumors make money and stop complaining and if you dont like blackhat than leave this forum and the IM
     
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    Hey there, This is the owner Ben, thanks for raising your concerns on a public forum rather than talking to me directly, you know Tom and I work hard every single day on this network but you didnt feel like you wanted to ask me over skype but instead put it here... maybe its a good thing for my company then to explain to you fully in layman's terms how our network works.

    >> Low Conversion Rates
    Can vary on many factors, could be your niche, could be hosting is slow, could be you arent targetting the right people, i own the network, i can see the averages, i can tell when your traffic is garbage or quality, so can our advertisers and they will pause you if they feel this way.

    >> 80-95% of people do not disappear...
    You are talking as if a user has VISITED your content locker then it will count as an impression of course, if they dont click on an app in the content locker then they will count as a bounce, 80-95% of people who proceed to the app store to install an app have a choice... either INSTALL the app or DONT INSTALL the app... what you are saying is jumbled up knowledge mixed with an inability of knowing how our technology is ran.

    >> show me an early journey with over 60% conversion rate

    I will personally tell you its a lie unless the users are HEAVILY going to believe what they unlock will be given to them... Tom and I have both been doing content locking with over 8 years experience in the industry now - average rates for apps might be around 60% but on a LOCKER the conversion rate will always be between 25%-35%/40% this is industry average.

    >> Unlocking Content
    I run tests to ensure that we track whenever a content locker unlocks or not, YES its true, there are times it doesnt open on certain phones (im guessing you have a cheap android phone with less than <4 xx operating system) OR you have a iPhone but you are in a tier 2 / tier 3 country in this case yep sure some advertisers dont accept the lower model iphone / android devices... that is not our problem... we try our best to fill our inventory with apps that allow for lower device versions but sometimes it cant be helped.>

    >> I've noticed downloading and installing apps just takes it's sweet time on the average iPhone
    LOL. err.. yeah thats the usual App Store default speed coupled with your internet speed.... (Oh so you know every user closes what app store ? to install apps on a iPhone or Android phone you need to install it via the app store unless you are jailbroken, so again you are talking without any experience at all here... just PRESUMING a users behavior)

    >> Shit is going to hit the fan fast and hard when OGAds gets shafted by their points of contact with products after they find out blackhat means were used to obtain leads. They are surely financed by debt (business loan), so in an event like that they won't be able to feasibly pay their affiliates, at which point things are going to get very bad very fast for everyone trying to make a quick buck on Instagram.

    This made me laugh a lot. Wrong on so many levels
    -We have strong relations with our partners & advertisers
    -No external financing ( my partner and I are both wealthy 7 figure self investors and have been on BHW / running our own companies for a long time )
    -Paying affiliates is not a problem, we are on weekly schedules with our affiliates and we have enough reserves to pay for months even when we have huge outstanding bills with direct advertisers.


    >> The app tracking isnt provided by OGads, its by another company that track all the clicks, conversions etc , maybe there is a bug idk but OGads has always worked great for me when I needed it
    Unforunately recently we've had some issues with Hasoffers, we are using their tracking for ALL of our clicks / conversions etc, sometimes the tracking is delayed by an hour or two and sometimes the API that we read/send data to and from HasOffers is delays and displays incorrect information, which is entirely beyond our control, we've contacted them as our bills with them are over $xx,xxx a month and for them to supply a service like this, they should ensure that their API is bulletproof... which is something we are working on but is out of our control, whenever it happens, we ensure we are transparent with our users and let them know the issues that they should expect to see.

    To sum this up

    When your talking about a network which produces over 300,000 conversions a day you really dont know what you are talking aobut... so you are right on your last sentance here... you are wrong about all of this... i am being defensive because this is my pride and joy and having someone inexperienced write a thread without even talking to me previously about the issues you wanted to raise here.. i have to defend myself because my network is my life & you are disrepecting it with your poor opinion.

    Please tell me any more problems you have with my network on skype and i will be happy to help you with any doubts... PS, i would appreciate you PM'ing me your affiliate id so i can actually see how much you've made with my network...

    Anyone reading this thread who is an OGAds.com affiliate or is interested in joining OGAds.com
    > You can be sure to trust in investing in our network
    > We arent going anywhere
    > YES, we provide net 7 payments to everyone
    > YES, we provide landing pages to everyone
    > We are growing at a HUGE scale and bringing more and more features to our affiliates every day
    > Conversion rates will go up and down constnatly because the apps are new (some are bigger file sizes than others) some are not games some are etc and this is why conversion rate fluctuates so much
     
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  17. JTrussles

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    Hi Ben, first off I'd like to thank you for taking the time to respond as completely and comprehensively as you have.
    However it would be disingenuous of me not to address the condescending nature of your response. Being so actively promoted on a forum such as this is a double-edged sword, and this thread wasn't made simply on the grounds of my personal misconceptions or for the purpose of bashing your network. To say everyone should simply be talking to you directly is doubtful in terms of benefit or feasibility for everyone involved. Having a single thread to point to when user #992333 has these types of concerns would be as much to your benefit as everyone else, and you (the owner) answering in "layman's terms" would indeed be good. If the intonation of my OP gave rise to yours, then I do apologize.

    I will get to your responses to the extent they are relevant to the global concerns raised here, and in the spirit of this thread edit them into my OP so anyone with future concerns can be referred here.
    EDIT: It seems I can no longer edit my OP, my apologies

    >> 80-95% of people do not disappear...
    The point was not regarding impressions, it was clicks. People who already clicked on an app in the locker and get sent there but don't convert. Those ratios seem bizarre and I refuse to be belittled for such an assertion, something goes wrong post-click for very run-of-the-mill apps. Nobody is accusing you of shaving or stealing, but many people are entirely justified in questioning why and how this happens.

    >> show me an early journey with over 60% conversion rate
    This point is going into my OP, thanks.

    >> Unlocking Content
    My phone is not cheap or jailbroken and I'm from a T1 country. I have tested the locker from several phones and so far it seems my phone is the only one that gives the malfunctions, but it's still a legitimate cause for concern. If it happens to my phone (popular Acer model) it must happen to others. I will concede this is not a very representative experiment, but I've read multiple posts of people on this forum who are consistently reporting their users and themselves being unable to unlock. Not for a lack of trying either.

    >> I've noticed downloading and installing apps just takes it's sweet time on the average iPhone
    The part about it taking it's sweet time was not a lash at you, it was an observation. It does simply take time, even on the latest iPhone on fast wifi. NOBODY is blaming you for this, but don't condescend the point. To state that this has an effect on the average locker visitor and their behavior is only fair, and to account for this is a necessity.
    As Spark pointed out, is it true that when an app is opened from outside the app store it may not unlock the content but will produce a conversion later? Because the risk of the user exhibiting this behavior is very real and the lost conversions cost you money too.

    >> The app tracking isnt provided by OGads, its by another company that track all the clicks, conversions etc , maybe there is a bug idk but OGads has always worked great for me when I needed it
    I've noticed the tracking is pretty good, actually. The concerns are about what happens after users click on an app to install, so this ties in with my previous question. Do you know how the installs are tracked after the user hits the app store?

    I'd like to close this off by saying I never meant to disrespect your network, and if you read the responses in this thread you'll see nobody feels this way either. But letting the concerns simmer silently, only to be raised very casually by noobs in thread number 5000 does not do anyone good. I hereby redub this thread "OGads general problems" for all future concerns to be directed to. If any are raised and not answered locally, then I'm sure someone will share the answers they got from talking to you directly.

    Thanks again for taking the time.
     
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    OP Low cvr? Vanishing conversions? Really?
    Maybe u should get real work and forget about IM?
    And i will say like Tom say to everyone like u: "low quality traffic" :)
     

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    Hey, lets be honest here,

    You could have asked me in person on skype but instead decided to air it out on here because "YOU" thought it would be a good idea, so i have to defend my network, I honestly dont think you know how our technology and the fact in PM's you refuse to tell me WHO YOU ARE... sorry if i sound like im being condescending but it makes it seem that you are just starting out and having the same issues that many others have and ask me in person and i explain to them... Instead you've made this appear whenever someone searches for specific keywords relating to my business, which harms me, i only hope people read all of my reply.

    >> The point was not regarding impressions, it was clicks. People who already clicked on an app in the locker and get sent there but don't convert.

    haha, sorry for natural and statistic proven behaviour

    The User clicks on the app in the locker -> it counts as a CLICK on our dashboard
    The Users dont always convert, you honestly dont understand content locking or the technology that your working with right now

    The ratios are not "bizarre" they are NORMAL for incentive marketing, do you think if everyone saw your poster because it told you you would get a free ice cream, visited your website then decided to submit their information in order to recieve an ice cream... you think 100% of these people would do it? no, thats incentive marketing and how it works, not everyone will complete the offer in order to get the reward , hence 25-40% conversion ratio.


    >> Unlocking Content
    My phone is not cheap or jailbroken and I'm from a T1 country. I have tested the locker from several phones and so far it seems my phone is the only one that gives the malfunctions, but it's still a legitimate cause for concern. If it happens to my phone (popular Acer model) it must happen to others. I will concede this is not a very representative experiment, but I've read multiple posts of people on this forum who are consistently reporting their users and themselves being unable to unlock. Not for a lack of trying either.

    Your phone is an Acer phone, Android, T1 Country, id love to know but unfortunately you can't tell me that information, or your affiliate id for me to check your traffic. Your experimental results are not conclusive of my data, which is far more substancial of yours, if you want to contact me personally my skype is ben.ogmobi and my email is [email protected]

    >> I have tested the locker from several phones and so far it seems my phone is the only one that gives the malfunctions
    So what your saying, is you didnt give me a fair statement or a fair test when you made your original post about "many users" that are having issues with unlocking the locker, but you are the only one who has experienced issues on your device.. Honestly, users on BHW dont understand how this affects my business especially writing false information based on your own assumptions.


    >> As Spark pointed out, is it true that when an app is opened from outside the app store it may not unlock the content but will produce a conversion later?
    There is no such thing as an app being opened from "outside" the app store, every single one of our links from the content locker goes to the app stores for android or itunes... again this comes back to you not really understanding how our technology works...

    Spark's example is here....

    Affiliate sends user a link
    User uses our link, downloads the app , doesnt actually open the app yet.
    When the user finally opens the app, it attributes the postback and the affiliate who originally told the user to download the app gets credited.

    Unfortunately i will explain again , by writing in here without asking me first, raises the same questions people ask all of the time which i can easily explain on a skype conversation.. Unfortunately you have no idea how much posts like this affect my business and my affiliates morale. your re dub of general problems and then close the thread... nice work.. if ANYONE has any questions about this thread please personalyl email me [email protected] or skype me ben.ogmobi

    LONG LIVE OGADS :eek:
     
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