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No Report for PBN Services is No More Acceptable!

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by seomasterz, May 2, 2019.

  1. kickthat

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    I don't understand how a seller is protecting their network by not providing a report when the links will show in GSC down the line anyway.

    If as a buyer I'm going to see those links later on anyway how does it make any difference whether you provide it to me as a report at the point of purchase or not?
     
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  2. Unreliable Witness

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    Google doesn't show all links in GSC. And if you have a large link profile, its not always easy to see which links to your site are those you've bought.
     
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  3. Finn

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    Well, if you receive the report through the seller's client dashboard or email ID which include the full live links, there is stronger and quicker evidence that could be used right away to bring the network or customers in trouble, as the report clearly shows that you have received paid links from a PBN seller, making the network visible for everyone and basically changing it from a private into a public network. For example, if a competitor orders from another seller he could immediately prove the entire process, case, sellers ID, advertisement and his network of domains.

    On the other hand, the links displayed via Google Search Console take a long time to show up these days, while only a certain percentage of all customers actually connect their sites to GSC and regularly review the links tab with knowledge. Inexperienced members who might use the PBN links as potential Web 2.0 and blast them with second tiers, do not always know how important it is that their websites are linked by GSC, or they do not care. While others tend to take control of their websites and incoming links because they know what they are doing. With this measure, you only have a certain percentage of people who actually investigate the links, which provides a bit more security for the network.

    It may look the same at first hand, but in the end, this is not the case. Even if it provides only a minimum of additional security or time, as a seller you should do everything which is in your power to protect the network and its clients. Not providing full URLs with everyone is one of the measures which you can do.
     
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  4. berkay1907

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    That is true it would show on Google Webmaster Tools sooner or later but at least it would take months before u get the hammer.

    As a PBN seller myself i will never give out reports. Here is the reason why. When you give out reports you will totally hand your domains to a total stranger that can be an employee of Google or one of your competitors. And i am 100 % sure there are google snitches here in this forum. And Your competitor would buy from you and give the list to google with https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/paidlinks url. And get your network deindexed so it wouldn't work. At the end your customers would not buy from you because the backlinks wouldn't have an effect at all. PLUS they would harm the customer sites because they are paid links.

    It is like you are begging to deindex your whole network. No smart PBN seller would hand out reports. It takes days of hard work and thousands of dollars to compile a 100 blog network let alone 1000's of blogs.

    I will give you a real life example. I bought a very high quality domain from Godaddy auctions. It was 1000 dollars but worth it. Put an article on it backlinking to one of my own project and it boosted the site to the first page for one of my keywords in 1 week. I saw the boost and decided to sell links from it on BHW. Open up a sales thread and the price for 1 post on the domain was 100 dollars. I would only sell 20 of them. A newbie came along and purchased. I gtot the article written and posted on the site and give out the report. I was thinking like it is one domain and it is expensive i should give reports so customer can see the site and the work done. I SWEAR TO GOD the domain got deindexed the next day. I ve never seen that member online on BHW again. This site is not a secret rabbit hole that only the chosen ones can enter. Anybody can register and buy services.

    Who would benefit from getting your domains deindexed? Seller? Customer???

    Mods are checking the network and verify if the network belongs to you. That is why there is a mod system on BHW. About handing out reports that has been done to a mod if customer says the work is not done i am totally ok with that. Mod can check it and let the customer know the work is done or not. That is simple as that. Mods are trusted members of BHW and should be the judge of the work.

    What if customer ordered and the work is done but PBN got deindexed?

    That is the nature of PBN's. Even the best designed Pbn's will get deindexed sooner or later. Even your own pbn's can get deindexed if you don't know how to set it up and let ahrefs,moz or majestic crawl your domains. If your competitor would find 1 one of your own pbn's and u are done. Give me 1 domain from an unprotected network i will give you a list of all domains that is in the network in 30 minutes. It is simple as scraping that domain for the outgoing backlinks with scrapebox and putting each domain to the ahrefs,moz and majestic for the incoming backlinks. The whole network is gone in 30 mins. And doesn't matter how many sites are in the network.

    The best way to protect a pbn (for a limited time of course sooner or later it will be gone) :

    1- NO REPORTS (reports will be given only to MODS)
    2- All crawlers,bots are banned except Google,Yahoo,Bing bots.
    3- No direct backlinks to the sites that could be tracked through Google webmaster tools. Which means no direct link to your money site. Use web 2.0 buffers instead.Whic also gives much better protection to customer if the network gets deindexed.
    4- No naked url anchors should be used in the network. So if someone searches for "yourmoneysite.com" they won't be able to find all the domains in your network.

    If you apply these 4 rules and few other simple ones you would have a chance that the network is good for about a year. Otherwise you can say bye bye to your network in a matter of months.
     
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  5. kickthat

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    @Finn @berkay1907

    Thanks for your responses.

    You have both mentioned newbies and/or inexperienced members in your replies as being the source of most of the risk to your networks.

    My feeling is that you're only prolonging the inevitable by not providing reports if you're selling to those members.

    @Finn if there are people who don't even know the value of GSC who are buying links from you then do you think they really have a full grasp on the potential risk that they are taking?

    Of course as a seller you want to make as many sales as possible, but I would also argue that you have an obligation to ensure your customers understand the risks of what they are buying.

    If random unknown buyers with a weak profile on BHW are a large source of your potential risk then simply don't sell to them, or ensure that they know the risks. It will benefit your other clients and your network in the longer term.

    From a buyer's perspective it is incredibly difficult if you don't receive a report. Even if a seller is providing the service we have no way of knowing if we're getting full value - a seller could save plenty of cash by shaving a few links off each order and just say that not all links may get picked up on GSC or may take longer to come through.
     
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  6. Finn

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    @kickthat - Yes, I usually talk with inexperienced members about the potential risk, of course. However, since you have raised the question in your previous post “Where is the difference?” - I just wanted to address this from the sellers perspective and talk about the facts.

    I hear your need but then again, no PBN seller should provide full reports to everyone if he likes to secure his network, so this measure is not debatable in my eyes. In case if you don’t like these security measures or if you don’t trust a seller, simply avoid their PBN offers and go for the ones who deliver full reports to your way, or build your very own PBN. Also, you have GSC to investigate the links, so your statement is not fully correct, since you can always check what has been delivered by the seller. Not much else I have to add here, so at this point I am out of the discussion.

    Lastly, providing full reports to a MOD would be something else, and I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all.
     
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